Bought/Thought April 25th 2007

[PhotoJones]

What? His contunity is pretty bad, as Sasquatch isn't a mutant, Thorn and Feral are depowered from House of M even Wild Child was bald and depowered as well. Also Wild Child was a regular character in Weapon X he has made frequent apperances since '98

Wild Child has took it to Wolverine in the past so I don't see why this is shocking.

Did you read the issue? It doesn't have anything to do with being a mutant or not. What Black Panther was theorizing was that some humans may have descended from canines, not apes. Sasquatch not being a mutant doesn't negate Loeb's continuity. Feral and Thorrn being depowered as mutants is true, but I think Loeb's implying that there's something more going on.

In fact, in the few issues he's turned in, he's referenced the Crimson Dawn storyline from the late 90's AND remembered that Logan was not present at the time of Creed's attack on Psylocke. That was pretty impressive.

And Wild Child has been a joke ever since Matsuda's X-Factor run.

 

[Vic Von Doom]

Ok, McDuffie. I love you, you know that. JLU was amazing, your Action Comics fill-in was really good, and your first issue of FF a few months back made me not hate Reed Richards, and for that, congratulations sir.

But even though I have enjoyed your last couple issues of FF, you have included one WTF moment in the last two that completely took me out of the story. To wit:

Last issue it was the "FF" breaking into the Watcher's house, stealing the Nullifier, and threatening him with it unless he told them what happened to some Z-lister's body. Now look: I don't have a problem with this persay, but in this situation? This kind of gambit is something you can only pull off once (and what, the Nullifier was just sitting on his coffee table waiting to be stolen by a couple of upstart mortals? Please. Isn't this the most powerful weapon in the universe? Shouldn't you maybe hide it a little better than that?) . If you are going to break out the whole "let's steal the U.N. and threaten this all-knowing cosmic being with it for info", you might want to save it for a special occasion, not when some dead loser's body disappears. At this point, don't you just shrug and say 'I guess they came back to life. Cool' and go on with your day? How many people need to die and come back before they can stop questioning what happens when dead bodies disappear? I know this guy popped up in the Dwayne-scripted Beyond, but still. C'mon.

And now we have the Panther putting the Crossface Chicken Wing (if you know which wrestler popularized this, i'm impressed) or something on the SILVER FREAKING SURFER and informing him that he can't break free because he looks humanoid.

Ok. Step back. I know that that probably works on another human...but the Surfer is not human. He is an all-powerful cosmic being and can break a little hold by some guy in a panther costume. IGN compared this to the Panther next attempting a 3 Stooges eye poke on Galactus, and that's right on. This was just nuts.

I'm not NOT enjoying this series, but these randomly scattered bits of ridiculousness are piling up slowly.

 

[BrianWilly]

Wow, was this STORIES DON'T MAKE SENSE week? T'Challa's flesh should burn away just from contact with the Surfer or something. Heck, Norrin should be able to tear the guy limb from limb just by thinking about it.

 

[Phaedrus45]

A Few Thoughts:

Se7en - Lust: Se7en is one of the better horror-related titles that are currently available; definitely better than Wildstorm's titles, like Friday the 13th and Texas Chain Saw Massacre. Of course, Se7en is a different movie than the other two, and the writer and artist make sure their comic reflects that fact. The way different art styles are used in each issue, reflecting the current and past events being depicted and exploring the manic mind of this serial killer who kills people who engage in the seven deadly sins, is done very well. The reader isn't just getting a "hack-and-slash" book with art that simply wants to shock. Like the movie it's based on, the comic is turning this type of comic into a form of art. This fourth issue deals with Lust, and more than the previous two issues, we get some background into what has turned the killer into the person he is. The only problem is that this premise has been done before numerous times: A mother who punishes a child for his lustful desires, all in the name of religion. Still, the premise isn't so odd as the reader knows this kind of abuse has been subjected to many children, like the one we see in this issue. 8/10

The Walking Dead #37: This issue is another low key, character driven story. We get to see various individuals in the jail during a down time where not much is happening. They are preparing for two inevitabilities: The upcoming birth of Lori and Rick's baby and the probability that the people from Woodbury will soon find them and try to take over the jail and everyone inside. To me, these issues are still decent; but, I wish they'd give the reader a little action or some real developments. They almost feel like filler to try and get the comic out monthly. 7/10

Supergirl and the Legion of Super-Heroes #29: I finally caught up on this title that has been building up by reading issues 23-29. Not only is this title far superior to Supergirl's regular title, it is one of DC's top five books, in my opinion. The stories are well thought out, there characters are well developed, and it just feels much more epic than DC's 52. The only fault with the title is that a new reader, like me, whose been with the book since issue #16 when it became "Supergirl and the Legion of Super-Heroes" will still be confused to who these characters are and their relationships with each other. It's one of the biggeset cast of characters in comics, and it's not new-reader friendly in the least bit. (Although, it will intrigue the reader and make them want to go out and buy some back issues or trades.) This issue continues the Legion's battle with the Dominators and gives the back story behind why the Dominators broke their treaty with the U.P. I haven't read that many of the books I picked up this week; but, it is definitely in contention for Book of the Week. 10/10

Wonder Woman #8: I was going to drop this title...again...but, since I'll be reading Amazon's Attack, I figure I better see what's going on in Wonder Woman's title that coincides with it. To me, Wonder Woman is a big disappointment. The first four issues were so superior to what's come after, even if those four issues took forever to come out. This is just back to two dimensional characterizations with ridiculous stories that I find my mind drifting as I'm reading each page. Hopefully, Amazon's Attack will make it a bit more interesting. 3/10

 

[yenaled]

I loved Boosters little cameo in LOSH, tying into 52.

 

[Darthphere]

Ok, McDuffie. I love you, you know that. JLU was amazing, your Action Comics fill-in was really good, and your first issue of FF a few months back made me not hate Reed Richards, and for that, congratulations sir.

But even though I have enjoyed your last couple issues of FF, you have included one WTF moment in the last two that completely took me out of the story. To wit:

Last issue it was the "FF" breaking into the Watcher's house, stealing the Nullifier, and threatening him with it unless he told them what happened to some Z-lister's body. Now look: I don't have a problem with this persay, but in this situation? This kind of gambit is something you can only pull off once (and what, the Nullifier was just sitting on his coffee table waiting to be stolen by a couple of upstart mortals? Please. Isn't this the most powerful weapon in the universe? Shouldn't you maybe hide it a little better than that?) . If you are going to break out the whole "let's steal the U.N. and threaten this all-knowing cosmic being with it for info", you might want to save it for a special occasion, not when some dead loser's body disappears. At this point, don't you just shrug and say 'I guess they came back to life. Cool' and go on with your day? How many people need to die and come back before they can stop questioning what happens when dead bodies disappear? I know this guy popped up in the Dwayne-scripted Beyond, but still. C'mon.

And now we have the Panther putting the Crossface Chicken Wing (if you know which wrestler popularized this, i'm impressed) or something on the SILVER FREAKING SURFER and informing him that he can't break free because he looks humanoid.

Ok. Step back. I know that that probably works on another human...but the Surfer is not human. He is an all-powerful cosmic being and can break a little hold by some guy in a panther costume. IGN compared this to the Panther next attempting a 3 Stooges eye poke on Galactus, and that's right on. This was just nuts.

I'm not NOT enjoying this series, but these randomly scattered bits of ridiculousness are piling up slowly.

Wow, was this STORIES DON'T MAKE SENSE week? T'Challa's flesh should burn away just from contact with the Surfer or something. Heck, Norrin should be able to tear the guy limb from limb just by thinking about it.

Suspension of belief?

Damn, I got nothing.

EDIT: Actually, now having read the issue, it makes sense, kind of. I mean, Surfer doesn't want to hurt these folk and knowing his power knew to be careful not to cosmic **** those *******s. Plus, it can all be explained by those fruity bracelets they were providing some type of protection which shieled BP from Stardust's blast.

Comics are fun. No prize *****es!

 

[Not Jake]

Gonna make this quick 'cause I'm short on time.



52: Good. It's the issue after WW3 so it seemed a tad sluggish but it was pretty entertaining. I had no clue who Mr. Mind was but after wiki, I'm pretty happy with the development. Also, his new visage haunts my dreams. My sex dreams.

Fallen Son: Poor. Whereas last ish was pretty, pretty, pretty good, here Loeb tapes together a weak attempt at showing parallels between the two Avengers teams. I get that you're trying to illustrate that there's some concurrent emotion going on...except that you're not illustrating your concept very well, Jephers. The Mighty Avengers don't seem especially distraught or irrational in their actions. The New Avengers half seemed forced. And sometimes, you can use a transition instead of your rigid, *****tily-done "two scenes going on at once!" framework. This thing read like getting kicked in the face, every time I turned the page. Also, McGuinness draws a poop Iron Man.

Fantastic Four: Good. It's good! It could be great if McDuffie wouldn't be so goofy. Black Panther puts an unbreakable hold on the Surfer? Okay, so, he's humanoid, and BP is like, Black Batman in his mastery of shutting down the human body. But SS's strength is cosmic, not relegated to the size and shape of his body. He should be able to bust outta that hold like Hogan out of a yellow tank-top. Also, pretty sure he could've blasted energy out of his hands at BP. Also, pretty sure he could've super-heated himself. Also, pretty sure BP can't rip SS's arm off. Because, you know...coated in magic silver stuff.

I don't know anything about Gravity so I'm lost on that front. Did McDuffie create this guy or something? He seems to be upping his profile quite a bit. Also, I hate Storm and her goofy nonsense powers forever.

JSA: Average. Seriously, this issue was a bit uneventful. How many parts is this crossover gonna be to finish the story? At this rate, seventeen. Probably! Anyway...I still don't get what's with these Legion characters. They're from the 31st century? Then why was there that Kingdom Come montage in JSA a few issues ago? I was under the impression that they were from that reality, not just a thousand years in the future. Someone explain it to me. Now.


I also finally read the conclusion to Spider-Man: Reign. The last issue pulled the whole thing together a little. It was by far the best ish of the otherwise very average series. The art was spectacular as well, as Kaare really brought Spidey back to a very Ditko-esque, rootsy look.

 

[King_Mungi]

Did you read the issue? It doesn't have anything to do with being a mutant or not. What Black Panther was theorizing was that some humans may have descended from canines, not apes. Sasquatch not being a mutant doesn't negate Loeb's continuity. Feral and Thorrn being depowered as mutants is true, but I think Loeb's implying that there's something more going on.

In fact, in the few issues he's turned in, he's referenced the Crimson Dawn storyline from the late 90's AND remembered that Logan was not present at the time of Creed's attack on Psylocke. That was pretty impressive.

And Wild Child has been a joke ever since Matsuda's X-Factor run.

Obviously I did, but Feral and Thornn have appeared post M-Day as humans no fur compeltly depowered. They are listed as those depowered, even Wild Child, but he was modified by the Secret Empire so I can give leeway with him in that regard. Actually Sasquatch does as he gets his power from Elder Gods, nothing at all to do with Loeb's version at all.

That's fine, but this issue was rubbish. Even at Newasrama a thread specifically bashing how bad #53 was going against contunity.Except earlier they had Wolverine cut of Sabertooth's hand..except Sabertooth has an adamintium skelton thanks to Weapon X.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=110316

Weapon X and X-Factor made him a joke, but prior Wild Child easily took it to Wolverine even getting the advantage even when he was Wild Heart. Actually contunity of what Wild Child is capable of he was always a match for Wolverine. In Alpha Flight he was trained by the best of the best such as Nick Fury and an adult, and then in X-Factor they made him a teenager that forgot all his training.

 

[PhotoJones]

Obviously I did, but Feral and Thornn have appeared post M-Day as humans no fur compeltly depowered. They are listed as those depowered, even Wild Child, but he was modified by the Secret Empire so I can give leeway with him in that regard. Actually Sasquatch does as he gets his power from Elder Gods, nothing at all to do with Loeb's version at all.

That's fine, but this issue was rubbish. Even at Newasrama a thread specifically bashing how bad #53 was going against contunity.Except earlier they had Wolverine cut of Sabertooth's hand..except Sabertooth has an adamintium skelton thanks to Weapon X.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=110316

Weapon X and X-Factor made him a joke, but prior Wild Child easily took it to Wolverine even getting the advantage even when he was Wild Heart. Actually contunity of what Wild Child is capable of he was always a match for Wolverine. In Alpha Flight he was trained by the best of the best such as Nick Fury and an adult, and then in X-Factor they made him a teenager that forgot all his training.

I've never understood the whole bashing-before-it's-explained thing. Sasquatch showing up at the end was probably due his, you know, being Canadian where Weapon X is, you know, based. I've already mentioned Feral and Thornn being "powered" as due to the fact that they're probably more than just mutants, as seems the point of this story. If Jeph Loeb can remember the Crimson Dawn arc, he can remember Langowski's origin.

I think what's really going on is just people jumping to conclusions like they normally do. "What, Sasquatch on the last page?! That can only mean Loeb knows nothing about continuity and Walter's powers!" Jesus Christ, let the man tell his story, and then you can criticize it.

For whatever reason, fanboys are the quickest people to turn on a creator. And that's really sad that the guy that gave us The Long Halloween, Superman For All Seasons, Spider-Man: Blue and Daredevil: Yellow can't even get through a story arc before people start judging it as a whole. I would have thought he'd have earned that by now.

 

[Phaedrus45]

More Thoughts:

Action Comics #848: Uggg...just like Wonder Woman, DC gets me totally interested in a story another writer and artist is telling; then, they do a switch and don't really conclude the previous story that was being told. I want to know what happened after the last Phantom Zone issue; but, it's just been filler so far. Don't get me wrong, this story about a new costume individual who doesn't know how to control his power is alright, although nothing new. It's just not what I want to be reading. I know DC wanted Action Comics and Wonder Woman to get back on a good timeline; but, all they've done is piss me off more with an incomplete story. 6/10

Justice Society of America #5: First, a couple things that also peeve me. Since I hadn't read my issue of Justice League of America #8, I forgot this is a second part of their crossover. It really would have helped if they would have had one of those old warnings comics used to give, like "Caution: Read Justice League #8 before reading this issue." Or, more simple, they could put at the beginning of the issue the credits like Marvel does, instead of putting them at the end of their damn book! Then, I would have realized this is part 2 of their crossover event.

Ok, after that, I must say another fantasic issue from Justice Society. I love not only getting both teams together, but also having the Legion of Super-Heroes thrown into the mix. I probably even like Justice Society more than Justice League; because, I find their characters more interesting, while the Justice League tends to be a bit more two dimensional. Anyway, after reading part 2, then part 1, I can't wait for Part 3. Solid, solid story so far. 9/10

Catwoman #66: After getting off Catwoman's baby, the title is starting to pick up nicely. I love seeing Holly as the second Catwoman (although, I have a feeling it might not end too nicely), and was totally surprised at what happens to Lewis at the end of this issue. Another solid issue from DC this week. 8/10

Batman Confidential #5: After touting how this is the best Batman book currently out, the title stumbles with this issue. There is so little dialogue, it only took about 3 minutes to get through the entire issue. And, as for developments that advance the story, it's paced about as quickly as an issue of All-Star Batman and Robin. (Not exactly that little of development...but, pretty damn close.) I won't give up, as the previous four issues have been solid; and, the same can be said for Superman Confidential. But, I expect more out of my comics that what this issue provided. 5/10

 

[Darthphere]

Fallen Son: Death of Captain America: Avengers: Ultra Strike Team Force Go!

Now, right off the bat I will tell you, I picked this up solely for McGuinness on art duties. I'm a ****e, and proud of it. I didn't read the Wolverine one because frankly, its Wolverine and probably would've picked that up solely for art too. That off my chest, I gotta say this is not what I was expecting. This issue is "Anger" and while its portrayed nicely throughout the comic, it really doesn't come together well.

Loeb is a good writer IMO, a great writer even. I still think he's one of the best in the biz and my opinion hasn't changed at all. This issue just makes me want Loeb on an Avengers title (no Ultimates please). He gets the team dynamics pretty damn well especially for the Mighty Avengers. His Carol is spot on and his Ares is living the thug life as in Bendis' title. His New Avengers come off a little cardboard cutout at times but he gets a really good handle on Spider-Man's denial. The star of this issue is The Thing. While its weird to say that considering its an Avengers one-shot, its true. Loeb gets the Thing and the whole poker game thing is done very well. I think where Loeb really failed was portraying anger. There's Carol beating up Tiger Shark to an inch of his life and Spidey jumping on Wolverine, but the former scene had to be narrated out by Namor and his infinite wisdom and the other is just cliche soap opera antics. While its disappointing, it doesn't make the book fail on all accounts.

Ed McGuinness. I know I'm bias but I loved his artwork and his style just fit the tone and style of the book. He has a rep for not being able to draw women, but his Carol and Jessica Drew are great IMO. Again, that maybe biased. But overall, the art is great and really these books are becoming showcases for artists at this point.

While the whole motiff kind of lost its flavor in this book, its still one solid read that deserves a look over or two.

 

[PhotoJones]

Fallen Son: Death of Captain America: Avengers: Ultra Strike Team Force Go!

Now, right off the bat I will tell you, I picked this up solely for McGuinness on art duties. I'm a ****e, and proud of it. I didn't read the Wolverine one because frankly, its Wolverine and probably would've picked that up solely for art too. That off my chest, I gotta say this is not what I was expecting. This issue is "Anger" and while its portrayed nicely throughout the comic, it really doesn't come together well.

Loeb is a good writer IMO, a great writer even. I still think he's one of the best in the biz and my opinion hasn't changed at all. This issue just makes me want Loeb on an Avengers title (no Ultimates please). He gets the team dynamics pretty damn well especially for the Mighty Avengers. His Carol is spot on and his Ares is living the thug life as in Bendis' title. His New Avengers come off a little cardboard cutout at times but he gets a really good handle on Spider-Man's denial. The star of this issue is The Thing. While its weird to say that considering its an Avengers one-shot, its true. Loeb gets the Thing and the whole poker game thing is done very well. I think where Loeb really failed was portraying anger. There's Carol beating up Tiger Shark to an inch of his life and Spidey jumping on Wolverine, but the former scene had to be narrated out by Namor and his infinite wisdom and the other is just cliche soap opera antics. While its disappointing, it doesn't make the book fail on all accounts.

Ed McGuinness. I know I'm bias but I loved his artwork and his style just fit the tone and style of the book. He has a rep for not being able to draw women, but his Carol and Jessica Drew are great IMO. Again, that maybe biased. But overall, the art is great and really these books are becoming showcases for artists at this point.

While the whole motiff kind of lost its flavor in this book, its still one solid read that deserves a look over or two.

I didn't like the split scene thing they tried to pull off. I found myself not caring a damn about the Mighty Avengers part, and having to read each story in glimpses for the for half was annoying. I liked the Wolverine issue MUCH better.

And the artwork yes is great. Is it me, or does McGuinness change up his style for each project he works on? Even if it's very subtle, it's still a change. This one seemed to a smidge less animated than, say, some issues of Superman/Batman. I guess it doesn't really matter, seeing as how he could draw a fart and I'd buy 3 copies.

 

[Darthphere]

I didn't like the split scene thing they tried to pull off. I found myself not caring a damn about the Mighty Avengers part, and having to read each story in glimpses for the for half was annoying. I liked the Wolverine issue MUCH better.

And the artwork yes is great. Is it me, or does McGuinness change up his style for each project he works on? Even if it's very subtle, it's still a change. This one seemed to a smidge less animated than, say, some issues of Superman/Batman. I guess it doesn't really matter, seeing as how he could draw a fart and I'd buy 3 copies.

I didn't mind the layout much, but it goes into my comment that Loeb failed to portray the whole Anger aspect of the comic. I know what he was trying to do (people grieve in different ways) but it just didn't work.

And yeah, McGuinness style is slightly different, a bit less cartoony than usual but still with his special flair. His Sentry looked great by the way. Though I think a memo needs to go out that Sentry has long hair.

 

[PhotoJones]

I didn't mind the layout much, but it goes into my comment that Loeb failed to portray the whole Anger aspect of the comic. I know what he was trying to do (people grieve in different ways) but it just didn't work.

And yeah, McGuinness style is slightly different, a bit less cartoony than usual but still with his special flair. His Sentry looked great by the way. Though I think a memo needs to go out that Sentry has long hair.

Yeah, the Sentry's shorter hair was a bit jarring. I'd actually rather it be short like that. His longer hair puts him back in the 90's. It's pretty gross, actually.

 

[BrianWilly]

Howcome no one has mentioned the single biggest weirdness re: Fallen Son...Patriot and Hawkeye are apparently still with the New Avengers' resistance, but...other Young Avengers like Wiccan, Hulkling, and Stature are all with the Initiative?

Unless this is an genuine plot point, do the editors even actually talk to each other anymore?

 

[Darthphere]

The 90's was awesome! Liefeld!!!111!11!

 

[Darthphere]

Howcome no one has mentioned the single biggest weirdness re: Fallen Son...Patriot and Hawkeye are apparently still with the New Avengers' resistance, but...other Young Avengers like Wiccan, Hulkling, and Stature are all with the Initiative?

Unless this is an genuine plot point, do the editors even actually talk to each other anymore?

Because its really not a big deal.

Fallen Son takes place the week after Cap's death. So Cap's only been dead for a week MAX. So it's not hard to believe there was a "grace period" there and the YA joined later.

EDIT: And either way, why wouldn't that be believable if that did happen? Teams don't have to agree on anything.

EDIT 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO: Also, remember that Loeb is writing a YA one shot during WWH, so he may be setting stuff up.

 

[PhotoJones]

The Killer #3 - How I snagged a copy of this, is a mystery. It sold out the day it was released, which was a few weeks ago. I couldn't even find an online retailer with a copy. Then magically, one appears in my shop and no one there knows where it came from. It is my destiny to enjoy this book.

This one is honestly not as great as the first two. But with the first two being near perfect comic books, issue three is still heads and tails above most everything else on the stands. The reason it got knocked down a couple pegs is the art. It just doesn't seem as inspired as the previous issues. The first two issue were based in Paris, and sepcifically in a cramped apartment. With the script calling for the apartment lights to be turned off during the day, the artist, Luc Jacamon really got play with light and shadow. His coloring is phemonenal; not something you see in American comics. In fact, his style would translate perfectly to animation. I could see a French production company picking up the rights to this book if they haven't already. You can check out some artwork, and an interview with the writer, Matz here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10281

Anyway, it picks up where two left off. The Killer is on his much need vacation in Venezuela soaking up the sun's rays and spending his nights with a pretty local girl. After a few days, he's tipped off about the cop that tracked him there, and lures him out into the rainforest where he brutally murders him and leaves his body for the crocodiles. He then returns to Paris and contacts his handler about why he wasn't alerted to the cop's presence sooner. It looks like the next few issues are going to deal with the Killer getting even with the cop's employer(s).

The story has moved so far at a very good pace. In just three issues, we've learned the origin of the the Killer, how he chooses to work, the people we works with, his most recent hit, his escape, his plans for the future and what he does to nosey French cops. It's very well written, and I cannot wait until the next issue. Hopefully the story stays in Paris, as Jacamon's portrayal of the city is incredible.

 

[King_Mungi]

I've never understood the whole bashing-before-it's-explained thing. Sasquatch showing up at the end was probably due his, you know, being Canadian where Weapon X is, you know, based. I've already mentioned Feral and Thornn being "powered" as due to the fact that they're probably more than just mutants, as seems the point of this story. If Jeph Loeb can remember the Crimson Dawn arc, he can remember Langowski's origin.

I think what's really going on is just people jumping to conclusions like they normally do. "What, Sasquatch on the last page?! That can only mean Loeb knows nothing about continuity and Walter's powers!" Jesus Christ, let the man tell his story, and then you can criticize it.

For whatever reason, fanboys are the quickest people to turn on a creator. And that's really sad that the guy that gave us The Long Halloween, Superman For All Seasons, Spider-Man: Blue and Daredevil: Yellow can't even get through a story arc before people start judging it as a whole. I would have thought he'd have earned that by now.

Sasquatch has never had dealings with the actual organization. He's had friends that became agents, but he has never ever dealt with Weapon X head on. As I mentioned they were completly human, so unless their powers suddently re-emerged and turned back into animal forms it's unlikely. Like I mentioned earlier, Sabertooth has an admamintium skelton yet Wolverine cut his hand off. Errr?

Uh huh, even if we give him in that regard he basically has several other contunity errors even in his short run on this ark.

I dislike Wild Child I think he is very bland, I liked Loeb's other works but this thus far has been garbage. I hated Onslaught: Reborn as well, but when he is on he can right excellent stories such as his run on Superman or Long Halloween, Superman/Batman, etc..

 

[PhotoJones]

Sasquatch has never had dealings with the actual organization. He's had friends that became agents, but he has never ever dealt with Weapon X head on. As I mentioned they were completly human, so unless their powers suddently re-emerged and turned back into animal forms it's unlikely. Like I mentioned earlier, Sabertooth has an admamintium skelton yet Wolverine cut his hand off. Errr?

Uh huh, even if we give him in that regard he basically has several other contunity errors even in his short run on this ark.

I dislike Wild Child I think he is very bland, I liked Loeb's other works but this thus far has been garbage. I hated Onslaught: Reborn as well, but when he is on he can right excellent stories such as his run on Superman or Long Halloween, Superman/Batman, etc..

Wolverine cut off Creed's hand in the flashback, when he didn't have the adamantium skeleton.

 

[King_Mungi]

Wolverine cut off Creed's hand in the flashback, when he didn't have the adamantium skeleton.

Yeah, but I was sure it was during the time Sabertooth had the skelton from either Apoc or Weapon X.

 

[PhotoJones]

Yeah, but I was sure it was during the time Sabertooth had the skelton from either Apoc or Weapon X.

No. Go back and actually read it. It was the first time Logan and Creed met, before he was going by the name "Sabretooth".

 

[King_Mungi]

No. Go back and actually read it. It was the first time Logan and Creed met, before he was going by the name "Sabretooth".

I'm not talking about their instance in Wolverine #53 there was another instance in I believe #52 where it happened.

 

[PhotoJones]

I'm not talking about their instance in Wolverine #53 there was another instance in I believe #52 where it happened.

In issue #52, Logan cuts off Creed's hand twice. Once in the past, and once in the present. But the admantium bonded to Sabretooth's skeleton is not "true adamantium". It's called "secondary adamantium", and it can be cut through by true adamantium. Logan's the only person with a true adamantium bonded skeleton.

 

[Darthphere]

Jesus Christ.