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Bought/Thought April 30, 2008

I thought since there have been more Thor stories over the years, there might be some more overlapping. Any Greek scholars are more than welcome to take a stab. (And I can read Wikipedia for myself. I want someone with a real interest, like Corpy seems to have.)
 
Whew, clones. That's a lot of pressure on me to bone up on my mythology and my old Thor comics. Sounds like fun, though. I can start one up to talk about the ones you've just mentioned, but for earlier stuff, I'll have to do a lot of researching. I'm heading into the library this weekend, so I'll find some copies of the Eddas and start reacquainting myself with the actual myths.
 
Hey, what's the weekend without a little homework?

Why don't you start off with the ones that stick out to you? You don't have to go chronologically. Start this weeks discussion limited to Ages of Thunder, and see where we go from there.
 
Some of Eddur poems can be real bastards to translate correctly to modern english. Any Scandinavians here?
 
Since I probably wouldn't even recognize a Scandinavian sentence if I saw one, I'll have to stick with the already-translated books. ;)
 
Since I probably wouldn't even recognize a Scandinavian sentence if I saw one, I'll have to stick with the already-translated books. ;)

Of course, but even the translated ones are tricky, that's what I'm saying. It generally reads pretty old english.
 
Yeah, but that's the case for most mythologies, to be honest. If you want a really good translation, you're usually looking at earlier translations, since more modern ones tend to rewrite parts for the sake of clarity or omit some stories because they've been judged uninteresting or whatever. If I'm reading mythology, I want to read the whole mythology, so I tend to go to earlier sources where they translated everything without injecting their own theories or whatever into it.
 
Immortal Iron Fist #14: Great wrap up the arc, really well done by Bru and Fraction. The action was awesome and the reveals were great. I loved the idea of an 8th city, I hope the new team delves into that more. The Immortal Weapons have been a great supporting cast throughout this whole arc, so them coming to earth kickass! That would explain the solicit for #17, where the Immortal Weapons embark on a new adventure and take Danny with them. Danny taking out that train in true Iron Fist fashion was awesome, great page. While I missed Aja, I loved the art. Only a few complaints but it blended well with the story. Loved everything about this arc, and the conclusion was fantastic. I look forward to the next issue of Bei Bang Wen and then the epilogue issue which will be Bru and Fraction's last. I really hope the new creative team continues what Bru and Fraction started, this book has been nothing but gold.

9/10
 
Quick reviews...

New Avengers #40
Not a bad issue, actually. Here's me, a little weary of SI...when so far, it's turning out to be something pretty good. Ah, I love me some Cheung art too. I'm not too bothered about the big reveal, kinda saw it coming. Sort of.
8/10

Ult.Human #4
Eh, it ended too soon for me. I love me some Ult.Iron Man. For me, it ended a little abruptly, especially since it included only a few panels of the Leader getting his ass handed to him. I would've liked some more action for the ending of the miniseries, to be honest. Neat art though.
7/10


Ult.Spidey #121
I don't like Ult.Omega Red. But hell, I love me some Immonen :up:
8/10

Uncanny X-Men #497
Sweet jebus, I'm loving Uncanny right now. It saddens me that Porn Face Land is taking over for the 500th issue. Choi's art is so superb, and seeing Cyke and Emma dressed like that? Sweet. Love me some Piotr, Kurt and Logan action though. It's been too long since I've seen those guys get into trouble together. Brubaker is the man.
10/10

Immortal Iron fist #14
Can I be brutally honest? Okay, I will be. IIF disappointed me this week. I wait for Xao's big attack for ages, then get an issue full of artwork which isn't exactly top notch. I want the art to fit the great story, you know. Nonetheless, I'd like to know about the 8th City. I've always loved me some Rand, so I can't wait to see what lies ahead.
8/10

MA Iron Man and Mighty Avengers I've not read yet. Yeah, I'm quite slow with purchases this week. It was either go out and get drunk on a Friday night, or get comics. The alcohol won me over last week. Not this time though :up:
 
Art took a huge nosedive in Immortal Iron Fist.What a shame,it was a great story too.

I agree, I thought the art was decent enough. Like I said, it blended well with what was going on.

I liked this page:

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Two weeks' worth of freaking reviews; includes this week's and last week's. Yeah, I know, seriously.


Countdown to Final Crisis #1
I had a long thing planned, but then realized I've already typed it. Oh, just read this and this.

(3.1 out of 10)
(2 out of 10 for the entire series)


The New Avengers #40
Y'know, at this point I'm pretty much rooting for the Skrulls. I don't know if that's what I'm supposed to be feeling, but if so, kudos to Bendis 'cause he's managed to make the alien invaders more sympathetic than "our" team is. If not, then...well, just let me have my fun.

A pretty good issue. Sets up a lot of intrigue and even pays off a lot of what has gone on before, sort of like how a comic book actually should be. On the downside, Bendis still writes everyone like they're Bendis trying to sound like that person. His scientists and ministers. His alien royalty sounds neither alien nor royal. They sometimes act like it, and sometimes don't; hell, at one point the queen bows to her agent.

(7.8 out of 10)


DC Universe #0
I really do feel a mixture of contempt and pity for all of you that bought Countdown and then kept buying it -- even when you couldn't even fool yourself into thinking that it was remotely good or even average anymore -- 'cause you thought for some reason that it might have some pivotal whatsis to do with Final Crisis. Seriously, what were you thinking? 'Cause here we are, and it doesn't. It's really all DC's fault, but then again, isn't it a little everyone's fault?

An interesting issue. More of a trailer than a story. I dunno if it's actually that good, because it really doesn't cover that much of the DCU, or set the tone for anything, or seem as epic as the cover makes it out to be. It's...a trailer. It's a good trailer I suppose, but not worth a penny over the fifty cents that it cost. I guess I was just expecting "Countdown to Infinite Crisis" or something, and "Countdown to Infinite Crisis" this ain't.

I do love how everything you'd need to know about the multiverse and of Crises 1 & 2 were all covered in two pages. I've always said that the multiverse is far less confusing than readers and writers make it out to be.

I liked the Green Lantern-related bits. The splash page with all the Corps? Really good use of visuals. I wish Johns would try and focus a bit on the GLC a bit and not just on Hal And His Sidekick, but it's really not as if I shouldn't have known better to expect that. I wonder who Ganthet and Sayd are referring to, here? If we just think linearly, the one person most capable of spreading hope in the DCU is...Superman. And yet obviously Superman isn't going to become the lynchpin for the...Ganthet Corps. Maybe...Kingdom Come Superman? It's a long shot, and not really thematically compatible, but then again we are talking about the guy who put the Anti-Monitor in charge of the Sinestro Corps...and had it work.

The Wonder Woman bit is, well, either it's gonna be the most clever and innovative thing ever...or someone's been reading too much Da Vinci Code. Seriously, Gail, a phallus icon on their shields? Seriously? At some level, though, you just gotta laugh at the concept of the cast of 300 in a Wonder Woman story. Who's the god besides Apollo, I wonder? Thematically it should be Ares -- any endeavor of this sort must needs requires the god of conflict -- but then it doesn't really feel like him, and the silhouette doesn't match. Plus, y'know, it'd be weird for Ares to actually oppose war now that I think about it. I hope it's not Zeus -- he's been almost nothing but an psychotic antagonist for so long, now! -- but it probably is. Poseidon really wouldn't care about the surface world, and Hephaestus doesn't seem the type to get involved.

Copying and pasting from here on forth: I think people may be jumping the gun a bit on the "Barry's back!" wagon. At least, I don't get the impression that he's back in the way that everyone is thinking, like he's going to jump out of a wormhole like Wally or punch through dimensional walls like Superman-2 or something.

At no point in the issue was he actually shown. Even that end reveal doesn't actually show Barry Allen. It just shows a representation of Barry. Look at how Morrison and Grant describe him as in that interview; as a sort of overarching idea, a metaphysical, encompassing being that shadows the DCU. A kind of God, almost. And then look at how he's portrayed in this issue: he's the DCU. He's giving voice to some encompassing representation of the DCU.

And then think about the theme and plotline of Final Crisis, how everyone was theorizing at first that the classic heroes are going to become the newest gods of the Fifth World. My guess is that Barry is one of the first cases we're going to be seeing of that; the worst evil needs to be balanced by the best good, which in this case translates into evil gods vs good gods. Basically? There's going to be some serious mind****ing soon.

(7.4 out of 10)


Thor #8
Niiice. Loki's such a b****. The sort of story that JMS is telling here -- things like Thor's issues with Odin and the "departed lovers" bit with Don and Jane -- isn't quite something we've never seen before, but it's still coming across so well here that it feels brand new. The art is beautiful and the writing is evocative, switching between the mythological and the mundane with equal skill. This book is still going strong.

(8.7 out of 10)


Blue Beetle #26
Heheh. Pretty much what I expected. Charming and cute, especially Jaime's family, but, y'know, you can't really understand it. Especially when it gets to the part with the Parasite. I just kinda skipped to the end where the translations were and started reading from there, and I'm pretty sure I wasn't supposed to do that, but oh well.

(6.9 out of 10)


Hulk vs Hercules
Pretty good. Focusing on Marvel's Greek gods is interesting to me, 'cause even though I've wiki'd a lot about them I've never really delved into their stories before. And I'm glad that Pak is really delving into prehistoric stuff with Gaea and the Demogorge; it's nice to see that Marvel's mythological background is strong enough to support stories like this.

(7.9 out of 10)


Justice League of America #20
Am I the only person who's not really that into Van Sciver's art? At least in this issue. The people looks so plastic and the poses just feel unnatural a lot of the time. Shiny and pretty and, uh, shiny...but also plastic and unnatural.

The writing is a bit of a step up from before, thankfully, now that McDuffie is back and without editorial mandate. But it is very blatantly a fill-in. And then next issue we're back to form with some editorially-mandated whatsis with Libra and the Human Flame, and as much as I'm looking forward to Final Crisis, I can't imagine that going very well. When are we actually going to let McDuffie write the goddamn Justice League? DC puts him on the book and then throws all these obstacles in the way. I know he can be better than this; this issue itself is a testament to that. How much better remains to be seen, of course. I just hope we do get to see it.

(7 out of 10)


Fallen Angel #26
"Little former Guardian...do you intend to impress me with a show of force?"
"No. I intend to ****ing kill you with a show of force."

Oh PAD. Never change.

(8.5 out of 10)


Checkmate #25
At this point I'm so used to seeing Rucka books end before their time that it's no longer quite the seething sea of loss and despair that it used to be. Almost. But not...quite.

Would the end of of Rucka's tenure be easier to bear if he had opportunity to craft a proper resolution? If he had chance to smooth out his numerous rivetting ongoing plots, wrap up his excellent thematic tropes, and give proper send-offs to "his" version of these incredible characterizations? Probably. But then, we haven't exactly had a chance to know for sure, with any of his cancelled series.

Which makes this issue so strange to review. It's so ****ing good as an issue and an arc...but that only serves to remind us how awkward and sudden it is as an ending. It shows us the very best that this series has to offer...which only accentuates how unfair it is that it has to end. It follows through and exemplarizes the last twenty-four superb issues...all the while making it plain that there should have been much, much more. It leaves us wanting for that more which will never come.

Would it be easier to bear, I wonder, if the series was being succeeded by someone competent, if DC was willing to show that they cared enough about this book that they were willing to put a real pioneer on it, someone with an exciting take and inventive admiration of the series ready to start a brand new chapter in the saga...instead of a guy who's name is poison to almost everyone who's ever read his work? Probably. But then, that's really not what's happening here.

(9.1 out of 10)
(10 out of 10 for the run)


Iron Man: The Movie
If you haven't seen it by now, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know: go see it, it's awesome, one of the very best. Stay until after the credits. And if you've already seen it, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know either: it's awesome! One of the very best! Filled with yays and omgs! Stay until after the credits.

Even with very good superhero films, a lot of times you can't help but feel at least a little bit of ambivalence about it because X has been changed or Y isn't quite up to par or Z is depicted badly or whatever. Not with this one. There's no ambivalence. There are no casting doubts. There are no writing doubts. There are no special effects doubts. This is very much the very best Iron Man movie that we could have possibly have received. It's not flawless, of course you'll notice one or two things that don't quite work as well as others, but it's the sort of "not flawless" where faults aren't even faults, but are either quirks instead or utter non-issues in the face of so much ****ing awesome.

(9.6 out of 10)
 
I do love how everything you'd need to know about the multiverse and of Crises 1 & 2 were all covered in two pages. I've always said that the multiverse is far less confusing than readers and writers make it out to be.

Except that barry allen died in the first one, which given the only attempt this book made a having a cohesive story was a tease of his return (in some way shape or form) I would consider it as something that you "need to know".
 
But you already knew it, so what does it matter? Besides, I already pointed out how the issue doesn't work as a story at all.

People always b****, "Oh noes Crisiseses! So complicated! So much backstory!" and then when others try to summarize it they just go "OH NOES MULTIVERSESes! So complicated! So much backstory!" Well, here it is, free of complications, free of backstory, straight from the horse's mouth. Of course there's more to know; there's always more to know. But this is that "basic gist" that readers always seem to need.

'Cause lord knows nothing in comics is ever complicated or anything. *shrug*
 
But you already knew it, so what does it matter? Besides, I already pointed out how the issue doesn't work as a story at all.

But what if I didn't know? Sorry I'm not really having a go at you, I'm just linking in what I was thinking about the issue. The cohesive story snippet (and pretty much what follows) is just my responses overall.

People always b****, "Oh noes Crisiseses! So complicated! So much backstory!" and then when others try to summarize it they just go "OH NOES MULTIVERSESes! So complicated! So much backstory!" Well, here it is, free of complications, free of backstory, straight from the horse's mouth. Of course there's more to know; there's always more to know. But this is that "basic gist" that readers always seem to need.

Basic gist is entirely different from "everything you need to know".

You are correct there is always more to know but all this really did (IMO) is explain the concept of the multiverse. Given the references to prime and barry allen later in the issue, it really needed to do more.

'Cause lord knows nothing in comics is ever complicated or anything. *shrug*

I wouldn't expect the prologue issue that we have been told is a primer for the upcoming event designed to appeal to casual and dedicated readers alike to be an uncomprehensible mess of trailers with almost zero narrative. I am by no means a casual comic reader, though I'm more marvel, vertigo and indie oriented than DC. As I get older I've been gradually appreciating how rich the DC icons are. Regardless I enjoyed IDC, trawled through IC and 52. I buy bats and JLA and the occasional issue of what takes my fancy. I'm not particularly ill informed. This book should have had an easy task, a trailer for an event I am already going to buy, in by a creative team that on paper is pretty much perfect. This book should have come with a warning "IF YOU AREN'T DC HARCORE THEN THIS BOOK ISN'T FOR YOU, GET LOST WE DON'T WANT YOUR MONEY"
 
This book should have come with a warning "IF YOU AREN'T DC HARCORE THEN THIS BOOK ISN'T FOR YOU, GET LOST WE DON'T WANT YOUR MONEY"
I disagree. When IC came out that was my first foray into DC comics. I did not know much more than basic knowledge of the Universe. While reading IC i went back hear and there to find out more info on things i wanted to know more about. Hell i barely new anything about the Green Lanterns and the are now one of if not my favorite characters. Yes an extensive knowledge of previuos things would help greatly in comics but its not absolutely necessary. It gave a basic run down or mini primer for the upcoming story. Sure they are not gonna put in everything and if people wanna know moreand trace back what has happened they can always do their own digging for the answers just as i did when IC came out. I think DCU #0 accomplished what it set out to do, it set the stage.
 
I disagree. When IC came out that was my first foray into DC comics. I did not know much more than basic knowledge of the Universe. While reading IC i went back hear and there to find out more info on things i wanted to know more about. Hell i barely new anything about the Green Lanterns and the are now one of if not my favorite characters. Yes an extensive knowledge of previuos things would help greatly in comics but its not absolutely necessary. It gave a basic run down or mini primer for the upcoming story. Sure they are not gonna put in everything and if people wanna know moreand trace back what has happened they can always do their own digging for the answers just as i did when IC came out. I think DCU #0 accomplished what it set out to do, it set the stage.

Fair enough, but as you say yourself you've been researching since IC and you're up on your green lantern. I haven't and according to dan dido i shouldn't have had to. But congrats on IC being your door in, it's heavy continuity and (IMO) reliance on contrieved happenings scared me back to the edge of DC again.

To use your setting the stage phrase, it looks to me like DC simply threw random bits of each "play in progress" with nothing to connect them (or even identify half the characters) into a comic and expected us to care.
 
I agree, I thought the art was decent enough. Like I said, it blended well with what was going on.

I liked this page:

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Those pages are primarily what made me wonder why everyone's hating on the art so much. It was a bit rougher than Aja's art in places, but it's good.
 
gildea, no one started reading comic books with a single book that told you everything you needed to know about that universe. Obviously, because you're never going to get everything you "need" to know about anything in a single issue. The title of this particular book notwithstanding, no one starts off their comic book reading career with "Marvel Universe #1" or "DC Universe #1." We each and every one of us started in the middle of an ongoing infinite megaseries, with Spider-Man 48457 or Green Lantern 543712 or whatever. And then we look **** up on wikipedia or ask people on message boards like good like n00bs when there's things we have to know. It's never been any different.

It sounds like you already knew more than enough to have understood what was going on in DC0 anyway, including the use of Barry Allen, so I'm actually not quite sure what your complaint is. I don't read Superman or Batman either, and don't plan to start, but I don't see what was so odd or overwhelming about its style. The whole thing was pretty much exposition.
 
Those pages are primarily what made me wonder why everyone's hating on the art so much. It was a bit rougher than Aja's art in places, but it's good.

I think the more emotional scenes when it required facial expressions and detail in that regard he wasn't very good - but his action scenes were great.
 
Incredible Hulk vol. 2 #181: Yes, I got that issue. Just happened to walk in on a massive sale right on time. I have to say, while I'm just becoming aware that I own this famous issue, while I'm just becoming aware I own an A-listers first appearance, this issue is actually pretty bad. It's not that well written. It's more or less a very silly issue that revolves around very silly characters. The Hulk is about the only cool guy in the wilderness. It's funny how foolish and how much of a throwaway character Wolverine is too. None of his cool, none of his character is present at all here. It's funny, I read this and think "What if...", what if this guy did end up as simply a background character in the Hulk, some throwaway villain in Hulk's very long line of throwaways. It's interesting that Lien Wein and Cockrum took such a gamble with this guy, isn't it? I mean consider the fact that, if they hadn't, I'd have written a bio for him on "The Appendix Handbook to the Marvel Universe", and it'd probably only have three or four issues in it. This guy could've gone down with great characters like "The King", "Woodgod", "Ulysses Bloodstone", or "Hellspawn". Imagine if Wolverine had simply ended up doing three or four small cameos, coming back periodically when Marvel couldn't come up with characters for Hulk to fight. What could have been...
 
I think the more emotional scenes when it required facial expressions and detail in that regard he wasn't very good - but his action scenes were great.
That I would agree on. But this issue had few emotional moments, since it was the all-out action blockbuster finale extravagannnnnnnnnnnzzzzaaaa!!!!11 In fact, the most poignant moment was handled by Kano in the flashbacks, and Kano can handle emotion just fine, so it worked out.
 
That I would agree on. But this issue had few emotional moments, since it was the all-out action blockbuster finale extravagannnnnnnnnnnzzzzaaaa!!!!11 In fact, the most poignant moment was handled by Kano in the flashbacks, and Kano can handle emotion just fine, so it worked out.

I just thought the bit with Steel Phoenix reconciling with his father and deciding to fight the good fight wasn't held up with the art as much as it could be. But not to take anything away from him - I didn't really have any problems with the art.
 

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