BOUGHT/THOUGHT for 8/29/07!

Outside of trades, I usually don't wander too far off the Marvel Reservation, but all this talk has me intrigued. I never read Mouse Guard, but I did page through it at a bookstore once, and I liked it. I really like Oeming. I may have to drop by my LCBS and see if they still have one.....

I've also enjoyed SS:Requiem, and especially liked the exchange between him and Galactus. Even though it's not a "The End", it's easily the best of them.


Anyone pick up The Last Fantastic Four Story. Now I'm not big on going out of my way to criticize, especially two people who have done soooooo many great projects, BUT...

Every time Stan Lee writes something, I'm reminded how much time has passed him by. He seems stuck in the same timeloop that sucked in Chris Claremont. It's kind of interesting to see him work with modern day artists, but the plot devices that he used so well in the 60s just don't cut it anymore.

And JRJR.....This guy is easily one of my favorite artists in comics, and if I had to have a go-to guy for a project, he would be it. Period. There's a lot I didn't like about the issue, but I'll limit my criticism to this: That was hands down the worst, worst, worst Silver Surfer I have ever seen. And I mean Rob Liefeld bad.

The Mice Templar is indeed worth a trip to the shop. Also, I heard so many negative reviews about the Lee/JRJR FF story that I passed on it. I did however give it a flip through, and I didn't think there was anything wrong with the Surfer. :confused:

I mostly wondered why the Surfer's skin was randomly cracking for no reason.

It's a machine. And machines, over time, break down. :dry:
 
I did however give it a flip through, and I didn't think there was anything wrong with the Surfer. :confused:

Mostly he was all right throughout the story. But there was one splash page of him sitting out in space that just looked extremely awkward.
 
Mostly he was all right throughout the story. But there was one splash page of him sitting out in space that just looked extremely awkward.

Now, I'm curious. If anyone has a scan, now would be the time.
 
How does "mostly he was all right throughout the story" equate to "Rob Liefeld bad"? :confused:
It's a machine. And machines, over time, break down. :dry:
Not the Surfer I'm aware of. I didn't know it was out of continuity going in, though. Once I learned that, it became more enjoyable. The second and third issues were both pretty good, and the second issue's ending was refreshingly idealistic for the ever-bleaker mood of most of Marvel's comics. It's good, don't get me wrong; I just don't think it's one of the great comic stories of our time or anything.
 
Now, I'm curious. If anyone has a scan, now would be the time.


I never thought I'd say this, but I hope you hate it as much as me. Otherwise, I'll just be another whiny b**** on the internet. :O
 
Liefeld comparisons are downright hyperbolic.
I never thought I'd say this, but I hope you hate it as much as me. Otherwise, I'll just be another whiny b**** on the internet. :O
As opposed to 1/2 of a pair of whiny *****es on the internet? ;)
 
Not the Surfer I'm aware of. I didn't know it was out of continuity going in, though. Once I learned that, it became more enjoyable. The second and third issues were both pretty good, and the second issue's ending was refreshingly idealistic for the ever-bleaker mood of most of Marvel's comics. It's good, don't get me wrong; I just don't think it's one of the great comic stories of our time or anything.

As far as I know, it's never been scientifically explained in the 616 how the Surfer's powers work.
 
Countdown #45
*raises hand* Teacher I have a question. Why don't they just wrap Wonder Woman's lasso around Jimmy to determine if he's telling the truth or not? Instead of, oh I dunno, pummeling him with an assortment of powers? (and speaking of which, shouldn't Vixen not have her animal powers anymore? I really can't wait to see how the hell the poor schlub who gets to field the newsarama questions this week answers this one.) If Jimmy's telling you "My powers aren't there unless my life is in danger," how do you actually know that he's lying? Shouldn't you all at least make sure he's not crazy and does something to hurt himself?

Some magical lady turns the Atom into a monster. Look, I'm sure some people might think this is the most coolest thing since awesome, but what in the heck is the point of all this? And the Bob gets mind-controlled or something and I really hope something at least comes out of this.

I do have to admit that Zatanna pwning Mary is pretty nifty. But then again, I wouldn't think it was nifty if they hadn't sailed over the shark and turned Mary into such a fcking annoying brat btch vaginal spore in the first place.

Oh cock, the Monitors are talking again. My goodness, an entire page is wasted on telling us things that we already knew. Kyle Rayner is evil!...we already knew that. He's a blight on the multiverse!...still not telling us anything new. HE MUST BE KILLED WE MUST KILL HIM!...didn't you already exposition this? Christ.

(4 out of 10)


Avengers: The Initiative #5
If I were buying this book, I'd drop it after this issue. As it is, since I wasn't buying the book, I'm just gonna...not buy it some more.

Slott is a fine writer. He knows what his readers want more than most and he isn't afraid to give them what they need instead. And, of course, he has the tendency to be bloody hilarious. And this is a good book. For whatever else it fails at, it is a good book with a solid direction and big brass testes. And continuity. And characterization. And I suspect it will only get better.

And I can't stand a single one of these characters and I think the Initiative itself is the most abhorrent cesspool of organized crime since the Fox Network. The sociopolitical commentary is about as subtle as an army of polar bears in Texas and about as partial, too. At best it borders on tacky, at worst it's unskilled. The most likeable characters here are the guest-stars who have nothing to do with the organization itself. Half the time you find yourself rooting for the antagonists instead of the protagonists. And all this is done deliberately so since Slott knows exactly what this would make us feel.

Isn't this exactly what so many of us ragged on Millar for in the Ultimates? Like, this precise exact complaint? Sorry; actual quality of writing aside, this whole trick tasted bad when Millar did it and it tastes bad now too.

I'm calling it now, though: the Scarlet Spiders are clones.

(5.5 out of 10)


52 Aftermath: The Four Horsemen
Now this is sociopolitical commentary done right. I had to suppress a giggle at Cale threatening the Chinese with supplying aid to Taiwan instead. See, that there's subtlety and skill, which pervades the rest of the comic as well. Which is helpful, considering this is basically one large commentary on Middle-Eastern affairs with, y'know, big DC superheroes thrown in. Giffen has been doing great work for Marvel lately, and it's nice to see that DC hasn't quite alienated him completely with their wanton slaughter of JLIers.

The one thing I immediately liked about this was the fact that it showed Clark and Bruce doing their civilian jobs, and doing it well. We've been lapsing into the silver age lately with how Clark handles journalism; ie, clumsily and as a fifth-priority. It's about time someone other than Rucka remembered that this is a Pulitzer-winning reporter and novelist whose work is taught in college universities.

Speaking of Rucka and how glad I am that Giffen seems to be a fan, I've been looking forward to Veronica Cale and Wonder Woman's reunion for a long time now. I thought that her portrayal in 52 was...passable, but nothing particularly of note. Here, we get around to exploring her a bit more, and it's generally good. Her interaction with Diana is true to both of their characters, something that's become quite rare. I twitched in irritation at Diana calling herself a Princess...though I guess under NuDC continuity, if Hippolyta was never abolished the monarchy then...I guess...Diana is technically still a princess. I can’t fault Giffen for being continuitous. Besides, it could permaybehaps be Diana scoffing at Cale calling herself a “doctor.” Permaybehaps.

The depiction of the Four Horsemen themselves is quite effective. That may be due to the fact that they themselves were pretty awesome villains to begin with, but once again I have to applaud Giffen on his subtleties. As we saw in 52, they are one of the truly legitimate big bad evil threats of the DCU and here we hear they haven't even shown their true power yet. The Big Three themselves have been hanging back a bit lately as far as their interactions and working together and all that, and it's gonna be nice to see them bust out with the thrilling heroics on their own terms here.

I'm not too crazy about the art, though it does its job. I dunno, the crazy cheekbones and anorexia that a lot of these characters are having is not the most...attractive thing I've seen.

(8 out of 10)


Teen Titans #50
...Awwww.

This issue was pretty much one big aww. After the junk we've gone through with these characters lately, this was desperately needed. The batplane "flashback" was seriously one of the most genuinely funny/bittersweet things I've read. On the one hand it highlights just how horrible this series has been lately and how much better things were before. I mean, literally better. On the other hand, I do feel like it's kinda heralding a return to those times. The tributes to Bart here feel truly genuine instead of the shloppy tacked-on funeral we got in Countdown. And the moment with Meggan was...pretty good. Using old events to enrich current characters? Totally approved.

It's gonna be interesting to see how Rose continues to deal with all this. She's obviously in de Nile, and I can't wait to see how she reacts when she meets up with Future Bart. At first I was wary of adding the Titans from Tomorrow into the mix here what with the team dynamic still so raw, but I completely see now what they're going for, here. The remembrances of old friends segue flawlessly into that reveal at the end thematically and purposefully.

The Blue Beetle scenes were kinda pointless, I have to admit, considering that they were just in his own comic. I mean, did we really need to waste pages telling the exact same story in two books? Countdown tries to pull that nonsense and fails. I'd rather not have that for this series.

Both Supergirl and Wonder Girl are sorta likeable here. Always worth mentioning.

And props for Young Justice nostalgia which, awwww. I like the fact that at least someone finally acknowledged that Bart was a bit of a ******. Not to speak ill of the dead, but c'mon; he was a bit of a ******. And he was all the better off for it.

Looking forward to more of this book now that we're done with the Beechen-induced poopstain of which we shall speak no more. I had expected McKeever to be good on the title; all he has to do now is to keep it up.

(9 out of 10)


Shamazons Attack #6
Well...I was almosthttp://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=12565385&#post12565385 correct.

I don't...well...what to say, really? This is really a fine time to reinforce the lesson that no matter how bad you think things are, they can always, always get worse. I'd thought that Frontline #11 was the single most offensively bad issue of mainstream comics I've read in recent memory, and then I read issue one of this series. I thought that was rock bottom, until we get to this issue. Make no mistake: this series epicfails on every single level: it was obviously editorially mandated which is the worst kind of mandated that anything could be; no single character is recognizable; no single event adheres to continuity; hard works that other writers have placed into these characters are defaced with no more regard than one might have for an irritating itch; a writer who is otherwise probably not too bad will now have this on his resume; worst of all, it's offensive. The heights of misogyny and social pandering that most people mock these days is openly celebrated and glorified here by writers and editors too farking stupid to know what they're doing.

What to say? Despite the fact that Pfeifer is on record as saying that there is no mind control whatsoever involved in this story, Circe reveals here that she did, in fact, twist Hippolyta's mind. If you think that makes the story better, I'm sorry to have to let you down: it doesn't. It in fact makes Hippolyta appear that much weaker because Circe didn't take over her mind or anything, she just nudged it into being a bit more "tainted." So now we're to believe that Hippolyta was in fact once loving and compassionate and good, but a little mental nudging -- not even full-blown mind-control, mind you -- drove her into her bloodthirsty cockhating. What's that supposed to mean...that she wasn't even all that good in the first place? The rest of the Amazons, incidentally, get no such excuse; they're just evil little btches who didn't muster up the spine to defy their queen and instead delighted in the murdering of children. The sortaplot arc from earlier with Artemis and Phillipus planning rebellion against their insane queen goes absolutely nowhere and Pfeifer even draws attention to the fact, specifically pointing out that while they thought about rebellion, they didn't actually go through with it. Because...somehow they just didn't.

What else? Circe has been turned from one of the better Wonder Woman villains into a running gag, much like Deathstroke or the Skrulls. Incidentally, I love how she refers to herself as "tainted," considering that Heinberg and even Picoult spent a whole bunch of time informing us that she actually believes herself ethically superior and that it's just everyone else whose perspectives are skewed. No no guys, she actually thinks that she herself is corrupt! My God. Bees. The fact that this series can't keep continuity straight from anything more than a year old is one thing; the fact that it can't keep continuity straight with the only other title that it needs to keep continuity with is a mark of ineptitude that I hoped never to see again in any comic book after the Xorneto clusterfck of X-Men: Reload.

What else? That "twist ending" was more telegraphed than Lindsay Lohan. Not telegraphed in the sense that the series itself actually foreshadowed it in any tangible way whatseover, mind you; that would imply actual foresight here. No, it was merely telegraphed in the sense that DC had spoiled the whole thing months ago to anyone paying attention. Here's a clue: GODS!

I hate this series more than I hate anything that both Marvel and DC has put out in the last five years because, unlike everything else that I hate, there's no way for me to feasibly ignore this.

(1.9 out of 10)
(0 out of 10 for the entire series)


Wonder Woman #12
Oh, it's not over yet.

It's interesting; as soon as Pfeifer here started getting away from the events of Amazons Attack and dealt with all that needed to be dealt with on that level -- summaries and whatnot -- it started showing signs of being good again. Diana with the DMA is not a bad idea in theory. As soon as we started actually seeing her do stuff there, we see a bit of the quality that could exist in this title.

And then the rest of the issue wastes pages after pages after pages after pages of Nemesis fighting Everyman, and we're right back to sucking hard. Seriously, Everyman sets off an explosion and Wonder Woman is somehow just gone from the comic for a dozen or so pages. Does anyone actually think that anyone would buy a Wonder Woman book because we desperately want to see what "Nemesis vs Everyman: THE RECKONING!!" would be like? Pfeifer was blatantly padding for space here while his hellish run ends, and it shows in both the writing and the art. The panel after Diana throws her tiara at Everyman is seriously the most stilted, most uncomfortably ill-fitting panel you're likely to see anywhere this month.

And gee, that ending. One of the only original ideas Picoult actually had -- Nemesis actually being smart enough (read: not dumb) to figure out WW's identity -- is entirely done away with in one of the more hamfisted ways ever: the bee stings* caused him to forget about her identity. Wait, what? Wait, what? I don't know if Simone just wanted a fresh start or something, but...wait, what?

The only good thing that I can think of here is that it's finally over. This whole embarassing era of Wonder Woman work that started with Heinberg's delays that lead into Picoult's amateurishness and finally into this piece of sht. Simone at the very worst I've ever read of her work would be a welcome reprieve, and I frankly think we're going to be seeing the best of Simone in this title so...yay for that at the least.

*excuse me -- "Stygian killer hornets."

(3.3 out of 10)


Outsiders: Five of a Kind: Wonder Woman and Grace
“I didn’t just arrive in the man’s world yesterday, you know.”

Worth bringing up just for this line alone. I really hope this is Andreyko taking a dig at the shttastic Wonder Woman adventures of recent memory. But then, it could also be Andreyko taking a dig at himself -- which is almost as good but not quite -- since the whole "she's not a fcking foreigner who just stepped off the boat!" complaint was lobbed against his own rendition of WW in Manhunter, as well. Mostly by me, it has to be said.

Decent enough issue. It follows up, unfortunately, from the cringe-inducing ending of Amazons Attack, but does okay enough with it. If we’re making Grace a Bana-Mighdall Amazon, might as well take it to its logical conclusion of bondage with Wonder Woman. Er, bonding. Which is written decently-enough here. The actual plot of there being that damned bomb is pretty ludicrous, but it did allow for some good character moments.

(7.5 out of 10)


Countdown to Adventure #1
Meh. Just...meh. DC tries to milk the success of 52's adventure trio in space and fails. The storyline is more average than outright bad and yet has none of the wit or charm of Morrison's depiction. It sounded like a gimmick from the outset and reads like a gimmick now.

Kory here is acting like a complete bimbo and quite frankly I'm glad that the Titans title proper is outright ignoring her little decision to not contact any of her friends to tell them that she's not, in fact, a corpse in space. The Rannians are all apparently complete fcktards who just stare and shrug when their new champion starts foaming at the mouth and punching people. By the way, who the hell thought this new guy, this..."Champ"...was a good idea? He's the most aggressively unlikeable substitute hero we've had since The Griffin and will probably be going through the exact same irritating story arc with Adam in Bart's place. Who the heck thought this was a good idea? Oh, yeah...Beechen. The man who thought Forerunner was the best thing since sliced hamster. He's rapidly becoming this year's Chuck Austen, folks.

Speaking of the Forerunner section of the story, I read three pages and then put the book back on the shelf. It doesn't even deserve enough of my time to dislike.

(4.1 out of 10)


Fallen Angel #19
Basically? Peter David having a barrel of fun. Shi sounds like the sort of character who I would roll my eyes at instead of reading about, and yet he makes it so very fun to read about her here. And then they beat the bad guy by dropping a magic rock on him. What more do you need to know? Well, there's lesbian subtext up the damn wall, but that's pretty par for PAD's course.

(8.6 out of 10)
 
[Countdown to Adventure #1
Who the heck thought this was a good idea? Oh, yeah...Beechen. The man who thought Forerunner was the best thing since sliced hamster. He's rapidly becoming this year's Chuck Austen, folks.

Speaking of the Forerunner section of the story, I read three pages and then put the book back on the shelf. It doesn't even deserve enough of my time to dislike.

(4.1 out of 10)

Another edition of "Darthphere plays devil's advocate and defends the crappyness of Adam Beechen in hopes that he will never write Cassandra Cain again"

What does Beechen have to do with Forerunner? He didn't create the *****, and to my recollection didn't write the section with Forerunner in this issue, that was Justin Gray.:huh:
 
I bought a condom, I thought I would use it. I was wrong. :(
 
My mistake. Beechen wrote the issue where she first appeared, so I thought he created her too.

He gets away. This time.
 
The difference between Civil War and Avengers: The Initiative is that in CW, it was a bunch of superheroes who were morphed into right-wing, privacy-infringing, totalitarian *****ebags, whereas in A:TI it's... ****in' Gyrich. He's always been a right-wing, privacy-infringing, totalitarian *****ebag. Plus, it wasn't Slott who came up with a lot of this stuff. The things that gall me--Hank Pym's portrayal, especially--were mostly inherited from CW and the new status quo it created.
 
The difference between Civil War and Avengers: The Initiative is that in CW, it was a bunch of superheroes who were morphed into right-wing, privacy-infringing, totalitarian *****ebags, whereas in A:TI it's... ****in' Gyrich. He's always been a right-wing, privacy-infringing, totalitarian *****ebag. Plus, it wasn't Slott who came up with a lot of this stuff. The things that gall me--Hank Pym's portrayal, especially--were mostly inherited from CW and the new status quo it created.

So...you didn't like Hank saving the day, and being awarded? :confused:
 
I didn't like Hank participating in morally ambiguous genetic experiments and helping to cover up MVP's death. To Slott's credit, he's doing his best to redeem Hank where he can, but the overall mandate still seems to cast Hank as the third wheel of the totalitarian train with Tony and Reed.
 
I didn't like Hank participating in morally ambiguous genetic experiments and helping to cover up MVP's death. To Slott's credit, he's doing his best to redeem Hank where he can, but the overall mandate still seems to cast Hank as the third wheel of the totalitarian train with Tony and Reed.

Wasn't Hank pretty against the experiments? Like, to the point of not budging at all?
 
I'm not aware of a straight version of Carmen San Diego.
 
When it came to desecrating MVP's body for them, yes. But before that, he was A-okay with it.

I don't remember that. I remember Hank being cool with studying MVP's body, and then standing his ground when it came to chopping him up.
 
Poor Hank. Always trying to hang up there with Reed and Tony. I think they're just humoring him half the time.

Reed: Do you think we should consult Hank on this one?

Tony: Sigh...We're you there for the hissy fit when I didn't ask him to clone Parker for the Scarlet Spider program? Because Thor just came out soooo well. Good God, can't we put him in charge of something to keep him out of our hair?

Reed: Whose that guy? Gyro? Your government buddy?

Tony: Gyrich?

Reed: Yeah. the red headed Jameson. Why don't you pair the two of them up out at Camp Hammond? It'll be like two teenagers with text messaging. They could occupy each other for years out there.

Tony: Well, I guess at the least it'll keep Jan out of the emergency room for a while....
 
The difference between Civil War and Avengers: The Initiative is that in CW, it was a bunch of superheroes who were morphed into right-wing, privacy-infringing, totalitarian *****ebags, whereas in A:TI it's... ****in' Gyrich. He's always been a right-wing, privacy-infringing, totalitarian *****ebag. Plus, it wasn't Slott who came up with a lot of this stuff. The things that gall me--Hank Pym's portrayal, especially--were mostly inherited from CW and the new status quo it created.
If that's re: my review, I was referring more to the Ultimates than to Civil War. For all of CW's faults, it had maybe half of the heavy-handedness of Millar's Ultimates.

It is mostly Gyrich that's spouting this hootenanny, yeah, but that doesn't make it much easier to swallow. It was overdone in the 90s and continues to be overdone now. The fact that all of the surrounding heroes are just complacent and giving their tacit approval of all this doesn't make them look much better, either, like when the X-Men just sort of allowed O*N*E to turn their home into a concentration camp. The only time anyone has even sort of rebuked Gyrich on anything so far is Gauntlet, and it wasn't even regarding anything that bad. In fact, Gauntlet's rebuke itself was sort of a loaded gun in and of itself. All soldiers are heroes? Really?
 
Oh, if you're talking about the Ultimates, my main complaint with that was what he did to Ultimate Cap and Ultimate Thor. I ****ing hated them. I didn't really care about the heavy-handed politicism, though. Millar's work is always heavily left-leaning.

As for the rest, yes, it sucks that the heroes are basically rolling over, but that's endemic of Marvel's whole publishing line. Why fault this title specifically for what is clearly an editorial mandate that all this government intervention will happen, regardless of whether the heroes' personalities up to that point would suggest they'd rebel against it?
 

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