Bought/Thought January 28th *spoilers*

First of all, those writers give actual examples of what they don't like about the book: small appearances. I still take issue with that, because I think they're missing the point that the story is about themes and characters as avatars of larger concepts. They're still looking at the story through the wrong frame. It's like judging a Monty Python episode as if it were a Martin Scorsese film. This is not a typical superhero comic book. It is something different. It requires a different methodology.

And while they mention the "need" to read Superman Beyond and Batman Last Rites, what they don't do is say why. No one has been able to tell me why those were necessary. In my opinion, the only reason people want to know where Batman was for the middle section of the story is because he's Batman, and they expect him to be a dominant player in a story like Final Crisis. And the only reason they feel like they need Superman Beyond is because Mandrakk's appearance at the end is too brief, or not expected and not fleshed out. But Mandrakk is a concept. And he is a concept that is suggested very strongly by the previous issues.

My challenge stands: somebody provide me with a concrete place where the story suffers without tie-ins to explain it.

Batman is strapped to that machine in FC #2 or 3 (can't remember which). The next time he's seen in FC is when he's holding Darkseid at gunpoint.

If you didn't read Last Rites, then you're missing a huge chunk of the story there: what the machine was, how he escaped, where the bullet came from (because we only see him pocket it in Last Rites), etc.
 
If I did think it was perfect, that would be because I'm a DC ****e with no brain, right?

Yep, you really summed it up nicely there, a bit harsh on yourself but maybe you have to be as an important first step to recovery.

It couldn't just be that this story happened to blow me away?

Nothing is perfect, anyone that thinks something has no flaws is a fool. Cormac McCarthy and Mark Twain are my two favorite writers, probably the greatest writers in US history, but as much as I love the work those guys do, I can always find flaws and missteps in every book they've done. The moment you can't do that anymore, you've crossed a line and now you're just a zombie.

No, I don't think it's perfect. I don't even know what I think about it yet. I know I consider it an incredible piece of fiction on a par with Watchmen, and I know that fans of Watchmen never get this kind of grilling about what they don't like about Watchmen.

So it's not perfect, but it has no flaws? That's so precious. I have the feeling if you said anything negative your brain might explode, so maybe better you just continue to duck that question like I knew you would.

I'm not finished with Final Crisis. There are layers upon layers that I still plan to work through for a long time. One thing I can think of is that it would have been nice (not essential; nice) to see a brief recap of Batman's escape from the lab. But even that is just me saying, "Well, I would have written it this way." This is literature; you wouldn't read 100 Years of Solitude, or Blindness, and then say "Well, I think he should have showed this character doing this or that instead of just implying it." The decision to not show that was a conscious narrative choice. Discussing what you don't like about a work of art has more to do with what you think of the themes and concepts discussed, and how they're discussed, not the simple events of the story.

No, it was shown, it was just shown in another comic. I like how your criticism isn't a criticism, well played and you get to keep your raving DC fanboy points.

What if what you don't like are the events in the story or the way they were presented?
 
We're nearing the end of Gail Simone's "Rise of the Olympian" story, and it finally feels like she has some decent pacing going. The prior two issues felt like something was missing, and I'd say that was because Simone was cramming a 5-6 issue story into 4 issues.
This is actually an eight-parter.
 
God damn. Then why was the pacing so bad in the first couple of parts?
 
Well, the glory of it all is that Final Crisis is done, and we won't have to worry about people saying it's great or it sucks much anymore. (Well, at least until the Legion tie-in finally gets finished.)
 
Batman is strapped to that machine in FC #2 or 3 (can't remember which). The next time he's seen in FC is when he's holding Darkseid at gunpoint.

If you didn't read Last Rites, then you're missing a huge chunk of the story there: what the machine was, how he escaped, where the bullet came from (because we only see him pocket it in Last Rites), etc.
So fill in the blanks. He escaped. That's all that actually matters to the story of Final Crisis. We don't need to know every little crotch-sniffing detail of what Blue Beetle was doing for all those seven issues. Why do we need to know exactly what Batman was doing?

The only key point that actually might matter is where the bullet came from, and Morrison solved that problem by having Batman say where it came from.
 
So it's not perfect, but it has no flaws? That's so precious. I have the feeling if you said anything negative your brain might explode, so maybe better you just continue to duck that question like I knew you would.
I didn't say it had no flaws. I said I wasn't finished evaluating the work yet. You clearly have made up your mind up about me, and there's no way I can possibly change it. Which is the problem with this whole discussion. Everyone comes into it with a set opinion and refuses to acknowledge any possibility of difference, except for WompuM, and honestly, except for me. I have honestly tried to figure out what was not included in Final Crisis that was included in a tie-in that needed to be in Final Crisis to understand the story, and I haven't gotten it yet. That, to me, is not a flaw of the story. I'm sure there are flaws, and I haven't gotten to them yet. But no, go ahead and keep painting me as the DC-zombie devil, because you need someone to rhetorically crucify.

I like how your criticism isn't a criticism, well played and you get to keep your raving DC fanboy points.
It wasn't supposed to be a criticism!

What if what you don't like are the events in the story or the way they were presented?
I don't like that Chewbacca is dead now, but I love the story, because craft and skill are more important than whether one fanboy thinks he didn't get enough information on what exactly Batman was doing for each specific moment during the Final Crisis.
 
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So fill in the blanks. He escaped. That's all that actually matters to the story of Final Crisis. We don't need to know every little crotch-sniffing detail of what Blue Beetle was doing for all those seven issues. Why do we need to know exactly what Batman was doing?

The only key point that actually might matter is where the bullet came from, and Morrison solved that problem by having Batman say where it came from.

I think the point of why people don't want to speak of their specific criticisms of Final Crisis is because this is the type of answer they can expect, which is basically saying "get over it!" and "your point doesn't deserve any merit."

Final Crisis is filled with instances of people showing up for no apparent reason than to say, "here is another battle happening" or to just throw in as many random DC characters as possible. (Hell, Morrison even had Captain Carrot show up in the final issue???!!??)

Yes, it's neat to be a fan of DC and see all these obscure characters appearing out of nowhere...but, I wouldn't label it good writing. It's just to give DC fanboys their kicks.
 
I think the point of why people don't want to speak of their specific criticisms of Final Crisis is because this is the type of answer they can expect, which is basically saying "get over it!" and "your point doesn't deserve any merit."
It seems to me that if I brought up something I felt was wrong with a comic book, and someone explained to me how it actually worked and made sense, to my satisfaction, I could enjoy the comic book more. I realize that very few fans actually want to enjoy comic books anymore, but I guess it's hard for that to sink in sometimes.

Final Crisis is filled with instances of people showing up for no apparent reason than to say, "here is another battle happening" or to just throw in as many random DC characters as possible. (Hell, Morrison even had Captain Carrot show up in the final issue???!!??)
There was a point and a purpose to each and every one of those. Especially Captain Carrot.

Yes, it's neat to be a fan of DC and see all these obscure characters appearing out of nowhere...but, I wouldn't label it good writing. It's just to give DC fanboys their kicks.
That's not at all what it is. You're missing the (fairly obvious) point(s). One of them is certainly that Morrison is making a point about the diversity of the DCU and of fiction as opposed to the very narrow mindsets that have taken hold of popular mythology and fiction and certainly mainstream comics. When Morrison said "We're going to kick Marvel's ass," I think he meant it rhetorically. Final Crisis makes the point (among too many other points to list) that sure, Marvel might sell better, but it might be time to start asking ourselves why. Where is Marvel's Superman? Where is Marvel's Captain Carrot? Where is Marvel's answer to all these wondrously myriad characters?
 
So fill in the blanks. He escaped. That's all that actually matters to the story of Final Crisis. We don't need to know every little crotch-sniffing detail of what Blue Beetle was doing for all those seven issues. Why do we need to know exactly what Batman was doing?

The only key point that actually might matter is where the bullet came from, and Morrison solved that problem by having Batman say where it came from.

You're being ridiculous. Fill in the blanks? Batman's capture was a major plot point. If you don't actually show his escape, then there was no point to having him captured in the first place.
 
No see, Blader in the comics revolution that Grant Che Morrison is leading us all on, you don't actually have to explain anything. Just be really meta, 4th wall breaking, confusing and drug induced for everything.
 
You're being ridiculous. Fill in the blanks? Batman's capture was a major plot point. If you don't actually show his escape, then there was no point to having him captured in the first place.
The point to having him captured was to remove him from the story, and then to have him rise above that to act as the paragon of humanity, not to show how he escaped. I'm willing to acknowledge that Morrison could have made a concession to this idea, because it seems to be a relatively small thing that's driven a lot of people up the wall, but I still don't see what it had to happen.
 
No see, Blader in the comics revolution that Grant Che Morrison is leading us all on, you don't actually have to explain anything. Just be really meta, 4th wall breaking, confusing and drug induced for everything.
Yeah, **** art! That's for smart people who do more than read comics for the express purpose of *****ing about them on the internet! Down here in the superhero ghetto, we'll take straight-up bland recounting of events in a strictly linear fashion, thank you!
 
Pretty much. Non-linear storytelling is fine (even fascinating if done well), but your narrative must ultimately make sense, be dramatically satisfying, and well-paced.
 
Yeah, **** art! That's for smart people who do more than read comics for the express purpose of *****ing about them on the internet! Down here in the superhero ghetto, we'll take straight-up bland recounting of events in a strictly linear fashion, thank you!

Please, I love Grant Morrison but Final Crisis is not art. You can call many Morrison stories art, Final Crisis isn't one of them.
 
I don't usually mention it, but does Marvel use color ink that other companies don't? Because occasionally I see little "smears" or other marks on colored work from new comics that I don't see in DC comics or Image that I buy. It results in me having to try to inspect them in store without looking at every page (and thus ruining an issue for myself before I read it) and sometimes I am unlucky. It isn't a big deal, but it just seems like I always encounter more printing, color, or something page errors with Marvel comics than any other company. Granted, I also buy more Marvel, so the numbers are skewed. There was a page error in INCREDIBLE HERCULES too, a little too extra paper for one page. I've simply never encountered such errors for other company's comics, yet with Marvel comics it seems to happen about twice a year, at least.

Oh, well.

Dread's Bought/Thought for 1/28/09: The Other Half

CAPTAIN AMERICA #46:
What is there to say about CAPTAIN AMERICA? It took me more than two years to finally get on the book, but once I did it was easy to see why everyone recommended it; it is one of Marvel's best titles since the start of the Brubaker run and has continued to be so. The book often sells within the Top 25 and thus is one of the rare titles that sells almost as much as it is worth, which can be rare in comics. As we near issue #50, which Brubaker has stated in interviews may be big, CA continues on with what makes it great. Solid art by regular artist Steve Epting as well as a format that embraces serial storytelling. While this is technically part one of a new three issue "arc", this is a title that flows from issue to issue, where past actions have reactions and so the idea of 3-6 issue chunks for trade format often do not apply. Every story flows from the last. In the case of this issue, this story flows from the past 3 part story where the past and present of new Capt. America James "Bucky" Barnes come into focus. One of his missions with the Invaders in WWII as well as the brainwashed Soviet Winter Soldier in 1968 (deep into the Cold War) in China have come to a head. An inventive Chinese prodigy that he saved in the 40's alongside Rogers and the andriod Human Torch, and then tried to kill some 20+ years later, has returned. Professor Chin, or Professor Pandemic, has created a super-powered Man Without A Face, and hired Batroc the Leaper to steal the "corpse" of the deceased James Hammond, who died during NEW INVADERS some years back.

Unable to prevent the theft of Torch's body, James has went after Chin on his own, drafting his former Invaders ally Namor in this quest. Contrary to what the cover suggests, the pair don't actually fight at all. Frankly, I don't mind that. The idea of an obligatory fight with Namor every time he guest stars in another hero's book has virtually been played out (unless played for some laughs, as INCREDIBLE HERCULES did a few months ago), and considering the two heroes are war buddies, it makes sense that they do get along somewhat. Still seeking official "approval" of his choice of legacy, Namor in his own way accepts James as the "New Cap". Black Widow gets information and a location on Chin from her U.N. contact in the usual Widow way (dash of seduction with a drop of poison), but soon uncovers some of the secrets that James kept from her, and regrets himself.

James is, of course, torn about the entire mission for various reasons. He saved Chin in the 40's as a boy genius, yet he was sent to assassinate him by the Russians in the late 60's because his experiments were so vile and dangerous, even the Soviets feared him. That alone might make him regret helping him in the 40's, as he would become a future menace. But in the 60's, he ended up killing Chin's fiance in his botched escape, thus giving Chin all the motivation he needed for revenge and cruelty afterwards. James of course regrets his actions as the Winter Soldier, which feel like his own despite knowledge of his brainwashing and assurances from some other heroes. Infiltrating the compound with Namor, the pair seperate, with part of James' plan being luring Chin out by donning his Winter Soldier gear.

Of course, it could also be symbolic; this was a mess created when he was the Winter Soldier, not Captain America, and he wants to finish it as the WS.

He and Namor have a good rapport, with Namor being confident, regal, and arrogant without it being played to such an extreme degree that you feel he doesn't care at all. I also have to imagine a surface battle in the rain has to be an ideal situation for Namor; while he likely would never be as strong on the surface as he is underwater, steady rain would still revive him and likely keep his might constant. Makes me curious if he ever teamed up with the X-Men with Storm on the roster; one could imagine her just summoning the rain and letting Namor go to town. Did Dr. Strange ever try a storm spell during their many Defenders adventures?

There is only about 2 pages of action, but as always Brubaker and Epting pace it well, even though it is merely the dispatchment of a few guards. Like many issues, this is a set up issue for something bigger, but one never feels cheated because there is always the right amount of story advancement, character interaction, and yes, action, for 22 pages a month. The pacing is often cinematic without feeling too decompressed, a balance that is not easy to achieve.

Professor Pandemic and his creation(s) are worthy enemies for New Cap. The only niggle is that it does feel strange that in an era where most terrorists come from the Middle East, Marvel comics still seem preoccupied with "Oriental" menaces many times. There are few Asian characters who aren't either martial artists or mad scientist/sorceror types. While this story more than makes historical sense and ties into Bucky's past, I could understand some fans being weary of yet another evil Asian mad scientist supervillain. Often when Cap isn't fighting something Asian, he is fighting Neo Nazi's, or ex-Soviets. I would be more than interested in Brubaker trying to have James, at some point in the future, fight an actual supervillain from one of our current hot-spots without making it overly political that it stifles the story (which was the flaw of ULTIMATES 2; it read so much as an "America is evil and deserves to be destroyed" narrative that it overshadowed the rest of the plot). I'm not saying that Brubaker's stories as is aren't great, they are. But few writers have been capable of writing Cap stories revolving around current battlefields and enemies vs. enemies from, say, thirty, forty, fifty years ago, and if anyone is going to try it, I wouldn't mind seeing Brubaker's angle at it. After all, simply because a story may have a Middle Eastern villain, doesn't mean it has to be a story where all of them are evil (Marvel has had a few Arabian/Middle Eastern heroes), or even one that embraces Bush's former policies. It would, however, feel more modern than yet another Asian mad scientist. In the modern Marvel universe, Soviets and Nazi's experimented with super-science or mutation and never any Middle Eastern terrorist groups? There's a wealth of material here, it only needs a writer with both knowledge and finesse to pull it off. I think Brubaker is that writer.

But that's all digression for the future; basically I have to come up with ideas or discussions to keep every review from being 500 words of "CA is great, move along". The Pandemic arc is going along swimmingly, and I can't wait for the next issue, as always. If Brubaker could make it to issue #60, that would be a five year run, which is a long one even by old time standards. I cannot picture the title without him and if Mackie and JMS could each hover around ASM for some 6-8 years, if there is any justice, Brubaker could stick on CA about that long, too. I doubt he'll tap himself out like those two did.

FANTASTIC FOUR #563: As a fan who clearly has biases for and against certain writers sometimes, I have tried to be fair to Mark Millar over the Ben Grimm/Alicia Masters Continuity Debacle over the last two years or so. I have tried to acknowledge that neither JMS or McDuffie, who wrote the book for years before Millar came along, acknowledged that Ben had reunited with his long time live in THE THING #8 and in MCP #1. But after reading this issue, maybe I am being unfair to McDuffie. While he never had Alicia show up, and it seems odd to write the Thing and not have her show up if they ARE reunited as a couple, nothing in his run suggested that they weren't dating off panel somewhere. Millar once called it "continuity by omission" in some WIZARD interviews; by not denying something happened, but not using it, a writer can "sort of" admit it happened.

Millar, however, has completely shattered the situation. His subplot with Ben is that he happens to meet a "regular person", a school-teacher named Debbie from Brooklyn, and is so smitten with her that he is not only happy, but very quickly announces an engagement, which is the crux of this issue. Part of me does feel a bit miffed that apparently in the eyes of Marvel's media and even some writers, Alicia Masters wasn't "normal". Okay, she did have some comic contrivances. She was related to a super-villain, for one. She also was a master sculptress despite her blindness, gaining worldwide renown for her artwork. But it feeds into the idea that some writers have that someone with one exceptional talent isn't "normal" or relatable. Which, frankly, is hypocritical since I am sure most professional writers consider themselves better skilled at writing scripts than an "average" person is. After all, they've made a career of it. Some have won awards or, in the case of Millar, are having Hollywood movies (loosely) made about his stories. It is this kind of logic that has made writers often write Spider-Man, a hero who has at least 12-14 years of Marvel Time experience as a hero, act like a blithering idiot who always is caught off guard because he "needs to be relatable". I've seen beat cops with barely two years experience display better judgement than a guy who has fought everyone and Thanos at least twice.

But the biggest problem with Debbie is that she is barely a character, and the relationship is moving so quickly and with so little focus that it FEELS forced. If this book was actually connected to SECRET INVASION, I am sure most readers would have presumed that Debbie was the token Skrull sent to the Four. We see Thing and Debbie meet, hear they are dating, and now boom, they are engaged. Aside for being a star-struck school teacher from Brooklyn, we know nothing of Debbie or why Thing is falling head over heals for her, beyond story contrivance. Hell, I would argue Debbie may be more shallow than Alicia; from the start, Debbie seemed to recognize Thing for his celebrity and was encouraged to date him by her peers for that. Alicia loved him back when he was occasionally smashing store-front windows because he hated his reflection in them. The Thing is arguably the most fleshed member of the Four and you cannot, CANNOT write him encountering a new love without at least addressing how he is feeling about Alicia, especially as the last stories that focused exclusively on his romance had them GET BACK TOGETHER. It is an utter botch job by the editorial department and some three sets of writers. Millar, as the third in the line since THE THING, though, has completely made it worse. If I can't take Debbie seriously, then the entire subplot doesn't work. That is a major dilemma.

Plus, it feels a bit wrong to me that any long-term romantic relationship any superhero seems to have had before the Joe Q tenure began in 2000-2001 is often destroyed with all the grace of Spike Lee criticizing a Klan rally (One More Day), yet it seems any writer that Joe hired for a run can automatically shoehorn any hero into any outlandish romance and it is embraced as Instant Canon (i.e. Storm and Black Panther). There have been newer ones that aren't outlandish, like Bucky/Black Widow, but these sometimes are the minority. Cornell in CAPTAIN BRITAIN AND MI-13 is doing a similar plotline of a star-struck heroine (Faiza) falling for a well known hero with a former long term relationship (Black Knight) and in about the same amount of issues has handled it about 500% better (yet, of course, Millar/Hitch FF sells three times what CB&MI13 sells). Why? Because the past is acknowledged and it isn't being shoved down our neck like an oral torture device, as Millar is doing with Debbie.

The parts that work about the issue are the reactions the rest of the Four give to Ben. Reed and Sue are of course friendly and welcoming, with Sue trying to gently, but honestly, warn and prepare Debbie for the challenges and trials that come with entering the life of the Four. Even Johnny Storm, written by Millar and some others as an immature, oversexed fop with ADHD, is genuinely happy for Ben and does sky-writing announcements of his intentions in celebration.

Then things get iffy again. Being handed our fourth alternate universe in about 18 issues, we find Doom's evil schoolteachers slaughtering the heroes of another reality, especially the Four, before tending to Victor's quest. Anticipating their arrival from prison, Doom smiles, as 616 Reed takes his threat seriously. While it does make some sort of sense that Doom at one point had to learn some of his magics and whatnot from some being, it usually is out of character for him to beg for help from anyone and anything. He usually has even suffered because he refused to submit before even cosmic demi-gods, and usually prevails. Unfortunately, 2007-2009 so far have been a bad period for Dr. Doom. No longer a villain who is a near force of nature despite being human, Doom is now just another generic villain who jobs to heroes, sits in prison and needs to have fruitless alliances with types he at one point would have dismissed, such as beastly school teachers or America's Most Popular Maniac with a Man Purse, Norman Osborn. While the last arc with the New Defenders (who, god help us, are being sold in a FANTASTIC FORCE comic soon) turned out better than I expected, I have misgivings about this one. While I buy how the Fou are reacting to the situations, I find the situations themselves lackluster and suffering from continuity issues. The Four work as human characters with long, shared histories, and you can't dismiss Ben's longtime love or Doom's personality as story inconveniences and expect it all to work out well.

Hitch's artwork is always what you would expect. His costumes are trying to look real world with pouches and he is good with facial reactions, bold action and amazing detail.

If Debbie does turn out to be some villain, it will be obvious. If not, it will still seem ham-fisted. It seems like a total lose-lose situation. Of course, unlike Dan Slott and Norton, if Debbie is added permanently to the Four, you of course will expect editors to insist on any subsequent Four writer who follows Millar to of course keep her around. People sometimes wonder how fans like me build biases against certain writers; THIS is why. Certain writers can pour their hearts and souls into stories that are dismissed, ignored, and disregarded like garbage; other writers can shoehorn a mediocre idea into their overrated blockbuster and instantly have every writer follow it like canon for years with iron-clad editorial support. We all know who these writers are on both sides of the aile, and many fans react accordingly. THE THING was too good to be ignored, but it has. Marvel sometimes spends a lot of time in interviews dismayed at fan bitterness and cynicism with some stories, unaware of how they almost deliberately create it with sloppy editing and obvious favoritism.

There is the outside chance that Millar of course is aware of all this and plans some grand thing with Alicia at the end of his run. I just am not betting on it right now.

Millar's FF has been pretty solid; like McDuffie's only more overexposed by his name power. But as this weakest link subplot goes into focus, that could all change.
 
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INCREDIBLE HERCULES #125: The fifth and final chapter of the LOVE AND WAR arc, which mostly takes place in an alternate reality, since last issue, Artume the evil Amazon gained control of the Omphalos and recreated the world in her own image. There are some readers who felt that this "alternate world" needed more time to focus in on the details to sell it. I humbly disagree. Between the end of last issue and this one, "Artume's Amazonia" had virtually a whole issue of focus. Considering this is a storyline that doesn't matter to other books and was never expected to be a permanent shift in the title, I think the appropriate time was spent. This storyline was healthy enough at five chapters, with most of the fifth devoted to that reality, and I don't think this story needed to be padded out to a 6th issue. Far too many stories have been padded far longer than they needed to be because the writer(s) involved felt the need to indulge every minute detail, even it it was worthless. Joss Whedon's 25 issues of ASTONISHING X-MEN are almost the poster child of such vanity inflation; it easily could have been five issues shorter, if not seven, with better editing and focus. I commend writers who don't engage in such decompression, which includes Pak and Lente on this title. No, spending slightly less than a whole issue's page count on Artume's version of the world was fine to me.

Then again, I'm the person who can watch a 3 hour LOTR film and not immediately feel inclined to watch another 7 hours of deleted scenes and need every single blade of grass or named dwarf given a sequence. Other fans are different, and to each their own. I think the last story I felt actually needed another issue was WHAT IF: SPIDER-MAN VS. WOLVERINE #1 by Jeff Parker and Clayton Henry from about two years ago.

In Artume's world, of course, women are on top and men on the bottom, literally and figuratively. While men aren't all in poverty, they are kept in supporting roles. Later on we learn that such impulses as ambition and aggression are not only seen as unattractive in men socially, but are chemically suppressed. The only enemies in Artume's world are Atlantean terrorists, and the so-called Y-Man (named after the "inferior" Y chromosome). Y-Man is of course Hercules, while the Atlanteans are presumably run by Namora. Cho, as one of the few men who is not chemically castrated due to his superior intelligence (men with some exceptional talent or power are allowed to survive, so long as they "know their place"), serves as assistant to President Artume. The Avengers are of course all female; Emma Frost, Invisible Woman, Wolverine (X-23) and Spider-Woman (with distinctly red hair; maybe MJ was bitten on this world).

There are details, like Reed Richards just being a nerdy man preaching about "glass ceilings" and myths being reworked where the story of Pandora is given a make twist (Pandoro the warrior) to justify the world Artume has created. Maybe some people needed an extra issue for these details, but I felt Pak & Van Lente made their point here, and it didn't need to be prolonged. Like a few of these "gender role reversed" stories, the moral is that women are just as capable of the traits they hate men for having if they had the opportunity; and also that corruption and manipulation of society are not traits that only men are capable of. Pushed to snoop around by Herc and Delphyne the Gorgan, Cho learns that Namora is dead and Artume personally ensures that Y-Man always escapes to challenge her and maintain her battle. Most of the Avengers tire of such misdirected sport, and aid in the rebellion. Hercules plays little role in the story other than to help get Delphyne to the site of Cho's botched execution, so she can challenge and defeat Artume, thus saving the world.

It should be worth noting that such tales are not as unrealistic as one thinks. In the world of education, a field where women have more number and authority, more boys than girls are diagnosed with ADHD or other syndromes and placed on medication. Their aggression or inability to sit still and follow orders for 8 hours a day is often punished or at least looked on with suspect. Some notable figures lament that in the typical classroom, many boys are seen as "defective girls" because the idea that boys and girls are biologically different or have different urges beyond gonads is taboo in the name of feminism. When confronted with such ideas, many female figures have a knee-jerk reaction of, "This is the one area where men aren't in complete control and they hate it", thus imitating the same us vs. them gender dynamic most woman are irritated with men for; another example are some child custody laws that favor mothers over fathers (at least fathers who actually care). While none of this is part of INCREDIBLE HERC, it is food for thought.

Once Artume is defeated, Cho has a bittersweet farewell with Delphyne, who is now Queen of the Amazons, while Herc confronts Namora about their feelings, and for once Hercules is the one genuinely interested, and the lady (Namora) who basically sees it as friends-with-benefits. AGENTS OF ATLAS is acknowledged as Namora flies off, and the two lads ignore Athena's lecture for some pizza.

Two artists are credited with the story, with Espin covering the sequences in Artume's world and Clayton Henry covering the "real world", as he has done all arc. Naturally, the idea of using two artists for different sequences, like flashbacks or time travel or whatnot, is utilized in some books (especially ones written or co-written by Brubaker) and it is a worthy technique to not only mix things up in tone, but to allow pencilers to make deadline by having fewer pages to draw for some issues. INCREDIBLE HERCULES is a title that I felt suited Clayton Henry's talents perfectly. An artist at best with bold heroic figures, he usually was miscast on some X-books and denied proper AVENGERS work were he would be very suitable. He really owned his issues of IH and could draw both heroes, civilians and gods in both casual scenes and battles with extreme skill and I will be thrilled to have him return for another go, or become a regular artist here.

This is also one of Marvel's best books; expertly written, drawn, and not so melodramatic or self-important that it forgets to have fun. Next issue promises a more definitive take on Marvel's Hercules, which looks interesting. I also look forward to Herc's inevitable rematch with Ares and the Dark Avengers team alongside him.

NOVA #21: The third 21st issue of a book that turned out to be pivotal that I have read this month (the others being MIGHTY AVENGERS #21 and AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE #21). The cover depicts Richard's Nova Prime outfit discarded, and that is exactly what happens inside the issue. Of course, the devil is in the details.

This "Nova Corps" arc has been all about Richard trying to adapt to Worldmind's escalation of recruitment. Fearing the deaths of new Corps members like Ko-Rel, Nova has avoided recruiting; then he learns Worldmind recruited about five Corps behind his back. As soon as Richard gets used to that, Worldmind recruits about fifty Corps members at once, including Richard's brother Robert. And just as Richard talked with his friends Angelica and Vance to get used to that, Worldmind ups the ante by recruiting Ego the Living Planet (and consistent menace). At this rate, if Richard got used to that, Worldmind might have recruited all of reality.

Abnett & Lanning, showing more skill that many realize, have constructed an arc where our preconceptions of what should be or what "has" to happen either aren't right, or are so muddled that it is harder to predict than other stories. The dilemma, of course, is the question of whether Richard is being stubborn, jealous, or, as Worldmind & Robert suggest later in the series, actually going mad like the last single entity who had to house the Nova Force, Garthan Saal? Or is Worldmind doing something that is, at best, reckless, or at worst, part of some dire plot? The answers to either are not clear, even if one rereads past material or Handbook bio's about Nova, since an updated one was provided with THE ORIGIN OF RICHARD RIDER recently.

At first alarmed at the appearance of Ego and expecting a worldwide threat, Richard learns from Worldmind that Ego is there under his will; Ego has been tasked as becoming Nu Xandar, and Worldmind has uploaded his consciousness into Ego, suppressing Ego's will. Ego is supposedly cooperative; Richard compares it to lobotomization. Asked to download his Nova Force into Nu Xandar's power cells, Richard flies off to "clear his head" and runs into the Fantastic Four (Alves draws them in their Hitch costumes) and the world's airborne military, and has to convince them that this time, Ego is not a threat (nor was summoned by Rider himself). The Four are of course suspicious of Ego, having battled against him several times, and they seem understanding to Richard's unwillingness to blindly trust Worldmind on this occasion. Worldmind and Robert explain things to the Four and the matter is seemingly settled; Richard, however, at first is angered when they accuse his sanity as being in question. Richard refuses to surrender his Nova Force, and thus has all of it stripped by Worldmind before being banished from Nu Xandar, neither a Prime or a Centurian.

It should be worth noting that this is the third time that Richard has been stripped of his Nova Powers, and the second time it has been done as punishment for disobeying orders (the last time, Adora punished him for disobeying orders to fight Kraa, the brother of Zorr, despite the fact that it saved lives).

The question, of course, is whether Richard was being stubborn or even insane, or Worldmind is up to some no-good or error. If one looks into Nova's history, his reservations about Worldmind's recruitment are not completely unreasonable, even without Ko-Rel guilting him. Xanadar and the Nova Corps (or Starcorp as they used to be called in the 90's) have been seemingly destroyed and slaughtered en-masse at least twice since Rich became Nova in the late 70's. That means their entire fleet has been destroyed or massacred 2-3 times in less than a decade in Marvel time. Despite the power level and training that Worldmind gives them, Richard has more than enough experience to be skeptical of the idea of just deputizing dozens of Corps at once. One might say Worldmind is being insane by doing the same thing and expecting a different result. The idea that the addition of another army in space, regardless of the intentions, could spark a war is also not without cause; Nova was there with the Fantastic Four and the Champions of Xanadar when the planet was at war with the Skrulls for quite some time. That war, also, resulted in heavy Corps (and Skrull) casualties (die to a Diamondhead administered biological weapon). While the Skrulls are splintered, and the Kree more defensive, WAR OF KINGS suggests that the Shi'ar may see the Corps as a visible threat to wipe out (the crossover begins in NOVA #23). Given how many times Nova Corps have been slaughtered in droves, even before the Annihilation Wave, wanting to take a slower approach may not be so unreasonable. Of course, things like recruiting his younger brother or seemingly making a cosmic menace part of the Corps will also rub Richard the wrong way. Richard didn't like seeing the feds utilize criminals for their own purposes in the Initiative crossover and also doesn't like Worldmind doing the same with Ego.

On the other hand, Worldmind does have his own point, alongside Robert. As a being with higher intellect and make up, he can operate at a speed that a human mind can't completely comprehend; he was even a step ahead of Mr. Fantastic, arguably the smartest man on Earth. Richard is a Nova who has often had his emotions cause him to go against direct orders, even before ANNIHILATION. Allowing personal guilt to delay what should be done for the good of the universe is illogical. Richard even admits that more Corps would have helped during the space war. It is certainly possible that he is jealous of Robert's involvement, that he is no longer Worldmind's chosen solo son, and/or that such responsibility forces him to surrender the most power he ever had as Nova Prime. It is possible that Richard was on the verge of cracking from the pressure and his judgement was altered.

There are other possibilities. The Phalanx virus may not has been entirely delected as Warlock hoped. Perhaps being downloaded into a PEGASUS computer, which cannot be what Worldmind is used to (Xandarian tech usually is far superior to Earth tech), effected Worldmind in some way. Or perhaps now that Worldmind has more authority, without having to confer with as many "higher up Xanadarians" as in the past, and as Worldmind itself was partly based on a living being's brain patterns (Protector of the Champions of Xanadar), maybe now Worldmind is becoming corrupted by power itself. Or, quite possibly, instead of Worldmind driving Richard insane, maybe Richard drove Worldmind insane.

At any rate, these are questions that only future issues can and will answer. WAR OF KINGS comes to the Nova Corps in issue #23 and we know that a future cover shows Richard as the new Quasar. Could that mean Phyla actually dies in GOTG, another book Abnett & Lanning right? Or that Richard has to use the Quantum Flask for power? Right now the only way that Richard could get back into the Corps good graces is either if Worldmind proves to be somehow corrupted, or something goes terribly wrong and Richard has to end up saving everyone by doing what he does best; trust his heart and judgment, not a computer's logic, to do what he feels is right. Captain Kirk knew when to throw the rules out the window for the greater good, and Richard does, too. That is something computers or logical/submissive aliens may not understand. It would be interesting to see how using the Nova Force to various degrees would prepare Richard for the Quantum Force (which is reliant on imagination and will, but not exactly ambition or aggression; Wendell "went with the flow" which allowed him to master that power).

Much like CAPTAIN AMERICA and INCREDIBLE HERCULES, NOVA is one of Marvel's best comic books and one of my personal favorites every month. This issue is no exception. Terrific art and writing, with a flowing storyline. Richard Rider, under Abnett & Lanning (and once Giffen) has quickly become my favorite Marvel hero right now, just a slight hair above New Cap or Hercules, or some others I enjoy greatly. Issue #22 can't come fast enough, which is exactly as it should be for a great book.
 
You're being ridiculous. Fill in the blanks? Batman's capture was a major plot point. If you don't actually show his escape, then there was no point to having him captured in the first place.
I don't (totally) mean to butt in, but Aristotle does have the right of it, I think. Batman within Final Crisis has a complete narrative: Introduced, does some CSI, gets taken out, is mentioned in Final Crisis #5 to have escaped (oh, sure, it's not OUTRIGHT said, but the statement that Batman has killed the clone army sure does make it easy to infer his escape), is reintroduced into the narrative via Final Crisis #6, and so on to the end. The two issues of Last Rites in Morrison's Batman run are not essential to the reading of Final Crisis by any means, because it doesn't matter to Final Crisis what happened to Batman while he was in the machine, nor does it affect the scope of the story. At all. For those who want to follow what happened to Batman, however, during the time of Final Crisis, the two issues afford an increased understanding. They are tie-ins, not integral. What happens to him WHILE he's hooked up to the machine is not a major plot point.

And the bullet thing, yeah, it's taken care of within Final Crisis because Batman says how and why he had it on him. If that's the case, we don't need to see the physical action. That would have been an unnecessary panel at the time, followed by redundant dialogue.
 
The point to having him captured was to remove him from the story, and then to have him rise above that to act as the paragon of humanity, not to show how he escaped. I'm willing to acknowledge that Morrison could have made a concession to this idea, because it seems to be a relatively small thing that's driven a lot of people up the wall, but I still don't see what it had to happen.

How can he be a paragon when he's already morally bankrupt from compromising his "solemn vow"?



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ASTOUNDING WOLF-MAN #12:

If Zech turns Gary's daughter into a vampire, that might up him into major league *****e territory.

I think murdering Gary's wife already puts him there...


AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE #21:

Tigra makes mention of some "personal business" and I really hope she gets some revenge on the Hood. She was hardly the best superhero at Marvel, but she didn't deserve that kind of humilation without recourse.

She's most likely talking about her alien pregnancy.
 

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