Bought/Thought-subs rule-Jan 24, 2007

[Kevin]

I haven't read it yet. Either way, I know I'mma disagree with all of you.

 

[Zoken]

**Leans over to Deemar** Tell me the army let you keep some guns... maybe gave you some sniper training **Glares at Comicboy**

 

[Kevin]

**Leans over to Deemar** Tell me the army let you keep some guns... maybe gave you some sniper training **Glares at Comicboy**

 

[Dread]

After reading the Return, I can't help but think they came up with this when the delays started. It was so badly handed that I can't fathom that they spent a lot of time on it. Add to the fact that his death was written so well it's annoying to basically null it and also it doesn't make sense that they had a good bloodline legacy for the character in Hulkling.

Badly conceived, bad timing, badly planned and leading to a bad product.

I agree. After the delays started last year, Marvel basically said, "since we find ourselves with extra months to kill, we're going to toss out some CW stories that we originally didn't think were worth your time", which says something in itself if you think too hard. On the whole, though, some of those stories haven't all been bad. I mean WAR CRIMES was cool and so was CASUALTIES OF WAR. However, THE RETURN is easily something like CHOOSING SIDES; basically a comic book ad for a new series. The problem is that, as BRAVE NEW WORLD and CHOOSING SIDES have shown, this strategy to try to build hype for new series doesn't always translate well. All of the mini's and series that BRAVE NEW WORLD introduced are falling down the sales charts. As for CHOOSING SIDES, ANT-MAN has hit oblivion and likely won't see a 12th issue, and IRON FIST is selling rather mediocre-ly considering it's creative team. Hopefully OMEGA FLIGHT does better, because all are, or are looking like, good books.

THE RETURN just felt sloppy. I said all I've really wanted to about it.

MOON KNIGHT really has to find a way to ship more often if they now want to tie into CW in any fashion. The damned event will end in a month and after that the issues won't feel relevent.

 

[Darthphere]

I've read The Return about 3 times so far and always have the same reaction: Meh. I mean call me crazy, but when this was announced I remember it being 48 pages at $3.99. There is clearly some missing story here. It jumps from one moment to another so hap hazardly, that it just seems like they threw away all the pages that make the damn thing logical.

 

[supermarvelman]

And unfortunately, absolutely none of that will affect the quality of this issue.

The fact alone that it was CAPTAIN BLOODY MARVEL returning from the dead after decades implies Big Event, or at the least significant attention. Of course the fans were going to clamor. Marvel knew that, or at least they should, and they got exactly the sort of reaction they wanted. Just like the reaction people gave to Clor, and to Hawkeye, and to every other "shocking" development this year.

But instead of delivering in return, they gave us a wimpy, lethargic shoo-in that barely makes any storyline sense, much less character sense. The fact alone that people feel the need to justify Mar-Vell's involvement with 42 should be warning enough.

But it's not like you can get mad at Marvel for hyping the **** out of the return and then not delivering, they didnt hype it, so I'm sure they expected a big reaction, they just wanted to bring Mar-Vell back plain and simple. He is also a younger less mature cause he's Mar-Vell, but they didn't try to make it a bigger deal than it was. Have you ever thought "damn if knew back then what I know now, I would do things different" cause I think every person I know has thought that at one point in there lives. To me Marvel did deliver, so sorry that you dont feel the same way, so to bad for you and anybody else who didnt like his return.

 

[supermarvelman]

I've read The Return about 3 times so far and always have the same reaction: Meh. I mean call me crazy, but when this was announced I remember it being 48 pages at $3.99. There is clearly some missing story here. It jumps from one moment to another so hap hazardly, that it just seems like they threw away all the pages that make the damn thing logical.

Big deal $3.99, most people get discounts anyway, I get 20 percent at my comic store, so when I buy comics I could care less about the price. Maybe they did take a big chunk out of the story that was supposed to be there, maybe it explains things that might be better explained in his upcoming series, just try and be optimistic and hold your horses, it was half a comic, wait for his ongoing to *****.

 

[supermarvelman]

I agree. After the delays started last year, Marvel basically said, "since we find ourselves with extra months to kill, we're going to toss out some CW stories that we originally didn't think were worth your time", which says something in itself if you think too hard. On the whole, though, some of those stories haven't all been bad. I mean WAR CRIMES was cool and so was CASUALTIES OF WAR. However, THE RETURN is easily something like CHOOSING SIDES; basically a comic book ad for a new series. The problem is that, as BRAVE NEW WORLD and CHOOSING SIDES have shown, this strategy to try to build hype for new series doesn't always translate well. All of the mini's and series that BRAVE NEW WORLD introduced are falling down the sales charts. As for CHOOSING SIDES, ANT-MAN has hit oblivion and likely won't see a 12th issue, and IRON FIST is selling rather mediocre-ly considering it's creative team. Hopefully OMEGA FLIGHT does better, because all are, or are looking like, good books.

THE RETURN just felt sloppy. I said all I've really wanted to about it.

MOON KNIGHT really has to find a way to ship more often if they now want to tie into CW in any fashion. The damned event will end in a month and after that the issues won't feel relevent.

I liked Choosing Sides, It's not like people didnt know that was the point of Choosing Sides, we already knew Iron Fist was getting his own series, we already knew USAgent was gonna be on Omega Flight, we already knew Venom was gonna be part of the Thunderbolts, Ant-Man already had his ongoing out, and Howard the Duck was just there for comic relief. You can scan through the comic at your comic store, you dont have to buy the damn thing. About Brave New World, I mean who gives a **** about Creeper, or OMAC, they promoted characters that nobody gives a **** about. Capt Marvel is good, but it's not like Martian Manhunter is the most popular character, and just because it hasnt worked well for DC doesnt mean it wont work for Marvel. Thats like saying, dont role through a stop sign cause I got a ticket once, it doesnt mean your gonna get a ticket everytime.

 

[Kotagg]

Supermarvelman, you seem like a solid cat with a good head on his shoulders, and I agree with much of what you say on a general basis - but PLEASE, for the love of all things righteous and sexy:

There - A location, whether it be time or place
Their - A possessive word, noting that something belongs to something

Your - A possessive word, noting that something belongs to the subject
You're - A contraction meaning "You" and "Are"

 

[Darthphere]

Big deal $3.99, most people get discounts anyway, I get 20 percent at my comic store, so when I buy comics I could care less about the price. Maybe they did take a big chunk out of the story that was supposed to be there, maybe it explains things that might be better explained in his upcoming series, just try and be optimistic and hold your horses, it was half a comic, wait for his ongoing to *****.

You clearly missed the point of my post, completely. Like really ******ed.

 

[supermarvelman]

Supermarvelman, you seem like a solid cat with a good head on his shoulders, and I agree with much of what you say on a general basis - but PLEASE, for the love of all things righteous and sexy:

There - A location, whether it be time or place
Their - A possessive word, noting that something belongs to something

Your - A possessive word, noting that something belongs to the subject
You're - A contraction meaning "You" and "Are"

I know I've always had trouble with there and their, but come on when you read my post you know what I'm implying. Your and you're I totally understand when and how to use them, if I make a mistake on those words it a typo. Thanks for saying I have a good head on my shoulders, I appreciate that, but this isnt english class, If you can get the jist of what I'm saying then who cares how the word is spelled.

 

[supermarvelman]

You clearly missed the point of my post, completely. Like really ******ed.

No i didn't, I addresed the price and the "jumping from one point to the next".

Tell me what exactly was your point then.

******ed like you.

 

[Darthphere]

No i didn't, I addresed the price and the "jumping from one point to the next".

Tell me what exactly was your point then.

******ed like you.

BWAHAHAHAHA! Classic.


The point of my post was that I remembered when this book was first announced, it was actually a much bigger book. Look at all the other CW tie-in's announced after the first delay, all were 48 pages at $3.99, and I'm pretty sure that included, The Return.

 

[supermarvelman]

Yes I am a very classy person, thank you Darth.

Yes I'm sure that included the Return, but just like I said, maybe they decided that there where parts in the book that would've fit better in his ongoing, so I did not miss your point.

 

[BrianWilly]

But it's not like you can get mad at Marvel for hyping the **** out of the return and then not delivering, they didnt hype it, so I'm sure they expected a big reaction, they just wanted to bring Mar-Vell back plain and simple. He is also a younger less mature cause he's Mar-Vell, but they didn't try to make it a bigger deal than it was. Have you ever thought "damn if knew back then what I know now, I would do things different" cause I think every person I know has thought that at one point in there lives. To me Marvel did deliver, so sorry that you dont feel the same way, so to bad for you and anybody else who didnt like his return.

The fact that you're even trying to justify the story by adding in elements that weren't portrayed originally shows that the original story was, at the least, not as solid as it should be. If the story stood up on its own, there would be no need to invent these reasons for characters doing things that they obviously wouldn't normally do.

And this is the return of CAPTAIN MARVEL. His death was one of the most significant events in Marvel's past. They should have gave it their all make damn sure that it was as solid as it could be. If they didn't know that his return would draw a lot of attention, then they are idiots who shouldn't be making comics in the first place. But they obviously did know, since they made him come back in the first place! You saying "It's the fans' fault if they got caught up in the hype of his return" is like saying "It's the fans' fault if they get caught up in Spider-Man catching AIDS and dying" or something. The event itself invents the hype, and Marvel is not nearly stupid enough to not realize this. So, no, they didn't deliver.

 

[supermarvelman]

Never said they didn't realize it would naturally have hype. Did you even read what I said?

His death is not negated cause they didnt bring him back from the dead, so....

How is him being a younger less mature version of himself not portrayed in the Return?

 

[Kitsune]

I've read The Return about 3 times so far and always have the same reaction: Meh. I mean call me crazy, but when this was announced I remember it being 48 pages at $3.99. There is clearly some missing story here. It jumps from one moment to another so hap hazardly, that it just seems like they threw away all the pages that make the damn thing logical.

I still don't see the point of bringing Marv-el back.

 

[yenaled]

I still don't see the point of bringing Marv-el back.

Mar-Vell. He isn't Kryptonian

 

[The Punisher]

Dread, once again great reviews.

 

[BrianWilly]

Never said they didn't realize it would naturally have hype. Did you even read what I said?

His death is not negated cause they didnt bring him back from the dead, so....

How is him being a younger less mature version of himself not portrayed in the Return?

Yes, I read what you said. You're insinuating that the fans created all the hype for this book themselves, which is utterly ridiculous. The nature of the story creates all the hype for itself. This is not some pithy little side-event about a fifth-rate character, this is Captain Marvel returning to the Marvel universe after more than two decades of succumbing to a tragic, poignant death. It deserved a far, far better story than the one we got. It should have at least looked like they tried to make a better story than the one we got.

I never said his death was negated.

How is him being a younger, less mature version of himself portrayed in the Return? We don't even know when exactly he was plucked from his own time, all we know is that it happened before he showed signs of the cancer. Which could be anywhere from his debut in the sixties up to his death in the 80s.
The problem people are having with the book is that Mar-Vell becoming a warden for this prison makes no sense. Frankly, it wouldn't really make sense from any point in his life, not just they very end of it. And we are given absolutely no explanation for why he would say yes to this, other than "it just happened." I mean, show me anywhere in the issue where he mentioned some debt to Tony and Reed, or where it's clear his immaturity is the reason for his decision to act as a warden for a superhero prison, or anything else that might explain this. You can invent all the fanwank, speculatory reasons for it as you'd like...the fact is, though, that none of it was in the actual issue. I could say, "Reed bribed him with cookies," and it would be about as much evidence for it.

 

[Dread]

I still don't see the point of bringing Marv-el back.

Reviving a franchise. Adding more hype to the CW library. Something to do. Proving to the rule that NO ONE is safe from a resurrection these days.

And not for nothing, anyone who believed there wasn't supposed to be "hype" about the concept of THE Capt. Marvel returning to life after some 20+ years is kidding themselves. I mean the story wasn't horrible, just underwhelming, and I don't understand why he'd go along with this. If he can do enough research to figure out how and when he died, then he should know about the SHRA, and that he's running a jail where crime-fighters are being held simply because they don't want to become federal lapdogs. Considering he once came from a planet where a Supreme Intelligence determined whether you lived, or died, or who you fought, he should be more sympathetic. Sure, there is a series coming and maybe it gets resolved here. Just, it creates a conveluted time-loop and as a one-shot, it underwhelmed. And that is not even getting into the Sentry story, where he recklessly blows up a gas station that magically is divoid of reasonable civilians (after a year of an event telling us how dangerous crime fighting is), and he essentially offs his second supervillian in 2 years.

Dread, once again great reviews.

Thanks. Glad you enjoyed 'em.

 

[supermarvelman]

No your kidding yourself, Marvel did not hype it, they put it out there and the hype happened naturally.

 

[BrianWilly]

Good point!

 

[PWN3R]

No your kidding yourself, Marvel did not hype it, they put it out there and the hype happened naturally.

homg, like for serious??

 

[supermarvelman]

Whatever dude, how many adds did you see for the Return, how many? All the hype was from fanboys like us on the internet. Your post is so bad, it's stupid, well done.