Arrow Brandon Routh IS Ray Palmer/The Atom

[Mikelus]

If they do an Atom show, they should keep the Ray & Felicity relationship, this way they would have their female lead, better ratings from the start and free a spot to make Katrina Law a regular for Season 4 since she will train Laurel, plus a Birds of Prey spinoff potential. t:

 

[Urich Leeds]

Yep; but it's still so apparent that they want to use Ted Kord...because there's barely anything about Ray's current character setup that reminds me of his comic book counterpart.

And I still find it odd that the CW can use the Flash even though we're getting a big screen Flash as well..and yet we can't use the likes of Harley Quinn or Blue Beetle.

To be fair, it's VERY likely that (despite what THR led everyone to believe) we'll see Ezra Miller playing Wally West, ala JL/JLU, where he was a Wally/Barry amalgam.

 

[Micromind]

I agree with other posters on this thread that ATOM should not be just Iron-Man lite, he needs the ability to shrink ... which makes him unique in DC comics, without that he becomes rather generic superhero.

If Berlanti & Co. are thinking of an ATOM spin-off, then the show cannot succeed without ATOM's shrinking powers, maybe they are waiting to see if Ant-Man movie achieves success... if it does then there's a good chance that ATOM will get his shrinking ability and may it's own spin-off series.

 

[Loki882]

I read an interview where they mentioned wanting to have the suit shrink in the future. I think that they're probably still working on how to make that look good onscreen, and how much of the budget it's going to eat up. I will say, Iron-Palmer looked better in motion than I thought he would. The costume looks fine to me, but they need to do something about the helmet. It looks like a glorified welder's mask or something.

Also, Ray and Felicity, well played.

 

[luis4u]

I have seen a A LOT of hate for Raylicity. But, I wanted to let you know I love them. They are so cute and have good chemistry. I still love Olicity but Ray is so cool! I am so excited about the Atom. And the action in this episode was soooo good! Can't wait for more awesome episode all around!



Marc G.:
Thank you!

Yeah, anyone who says that Felicity and Ray don’t have chemistry is in denial. That said, good luck finding an actor who doesn’t have chemistry with Emily Rickards.

 

[Loki882]

Well most of that hate seems to come down to "she didn't have sex with the character that I WANTED her to be with." I will say that earlier on this season, Ray's behavior towards her did skirt too close to being "stalker-ish," and that turned some people off. Thankfully the writers seem to realized that and had him back off a bit.

 

[Lencho01]

Just like Arrow is Batman-lite, Atom is Blue Beetle-lite.

Yep.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well most of that hate seems to come down to "she didn't have sex with the character that I WANTED her to be with." I will say that earlier on this season, Ray's behavior towards her did skirt too close to being "stalker-ish," and that turned some people off. Thankfully the writers seem to realized that and had him back off a bit.

Never bothered me, to be honest. I think it's because I considered Ray's intentions to be pure. He wanted her to work for him instead of wasting her considerable skills at...what looked to be Radio Shack.

I think the romance was nicely done. Wasn't forced, felt naturally built up to, and the chemistry is clear.

I mean, I'm an Ollicity fan. But, remember...Ollie shot himself since the premiere of this season with any hopes of being with Felicity. Oliver got in his own way, and why the hell would Felicity keep waiting around for him to get his head out of his ass?

Made sense that she and Ray would hook up. Especially when Oliver is so good at pushing people away.

 

[batdude]

I thought it was Best Buy or maybe some kind of weird Chuck/Buymore joke. and to be honest, the writers can't seem to make up thier mind whether they want to have Oliver with Laurel or Felicity anyway.

 

[Naked Shia]

I'm glad Felicity and Ray are together. That way she may not pollute the story that much in the future. I used to love the character, but now I can't stand her with all the lame ollicity thing. I also don't like how Ray seems unable to do anything without her though.

 

[bullets]

It's not going to last long anyway. i guess just until the end of this season. I'm glad to see Routh flying again and both of those characters needed to get laid.

 

[Lobo]

So Atom might turn into a Brave and the Bold team up like show? That sounds awesome to me. Very happy for Routh.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/3...up-series-is-spinning-off-arrow-and-the-flash (Yeah I know you've all see the article already )

 

[Micromind]

Ray Palmer's story could be developed further by introducing Ryan Choi as a student of Dr. Ray Palmer when he was teaching at the University.

Then there's Plamer's girlfriend Jean Loring, his enemies are Bug-eyed bandit, Floronic Man and Chronos.

If there's a team-up series with Fire Storm, then I can easily see the characters as well as villains of the two interacting which could be interesting.

 

[Sorath]

As a longtime Smallville fan, I will defend a lot of things about that show, but I will never forgive the CGI Superman, who ironically enough, was Brandon Routh, since they re-used both the suit and his CGI model.

I love Tom Welling, and visually he made a great Clark, and could've been a great looking Superman, but anyone who knew anything about him knew he was not going to wear the costume at all. After season 7, the new producers changed a ton of things that didn't make sense, and did a bunch of things that didn't make sense, but I truly believe that had they had their way, and had Tom not been so opposed to the idea of dressing up, that we would have seen more than just a Jacket or Trenchcoat costume.

But then again, there was the tricky situation of them not being able to say the name Superman because of legal battles, so I imagine that had some role to play as well.

Smallville was never going to have Clark in the costume period. They maintained from day one the no flight and no cape rule. The show wasn't about Superman it was always about Clark going through the trials and tribulations of becoming Superman.

Tom was never unwilling to wear the costume just not on the show and because of what I have mentioned above. In fact before Superman Returns when the where going to do a Superman film they went to both Tom and Michael. They both turned down doing a feature film because they felt the timing was wrong. They wanted to wait till smallville was done first. The reason for that was Smallville was always about Clark journey to becoming Superman. It was the trials and tribulations that lead to him becoming Superman. The moment he puts on the costume that journey is over.

I had no issue with how they did the final scenes and his costume. We got way more then I was expecting. Maybe it could been better but it was Television so I wasn't upset at all.

Even though they may have never admitted, Smallville was originally supposed to be a vague prequel of the Reeve films in the same way that Returns was a vague sequel.

I believe the season 4 finale was supposed to be part of the intended series finale, since it would end with Clark finding the Fortress and disappearing for 7 years. Maybe season 5 would have had him settle last minute affairs and finally embrace his heritage, but because of the success, that never happened. But the fact that the show went on as long as it did without focusing on how he gets flights and tights is what really hurt it in the long haul, despite how much the last three seasons tried to make it seem plausible.

But of course, the biggest slap to the face to the fandom was when Clark told Oliver that he wouldn't wear tights in this lifetime. It just shows how that was never going to happen, one way or another.

Smallville was never a prequel of any kind to the Donner Superman films. They made lots of nods towards those movies because they respected them and for the fans.

Now let me be honest with you season 4-6 where down right the worse season the show had ever done. As much as I love the show I got sick of the Clark, Lex and Lana love triangle. Also they showed had started to become about other characters other then Clark.

When the new producer stepped in the made it a point to get the show back on track and that was putting more the focus on Clark and less on other characters. They got away from the whole love triangle bit which had started to annoy a lot of the fans. Season 8-10 was the best season of the entire series if you ask me. Season 1-3 where good. Season 4-6 where down right bad. Doesn't mean the series was bad just the writing and direction wasn't as great as it could been. There was some real gold moments even during those seasons. I still love when Clark Crashes Lex and Lana engagement party that was by far one favorite episodes cause it was fun to see Clark go off on Lex and Lana.

As for Clark telling Oliver he would never wear tights that was meant to be more ironic because we all know he eventually does. It was not a hint by producers that he would never wear the tights. In one episode he talks about being Super Hero by night and a reporter and he tells Chloe he hoping to find away not to have to hide who he truly is. Which we all know he does exactly what he says he hopes he will never do.

I like what they have done with Ray Palmer. I am looking forward to him being in the spin off series.

 

[Micromind]

I don't want to discuss Smallville here but I will just add that seasons 1 to 3 had a higher budget, then when the new Producers stepped in and tried to move Clark Kent's story forward.. there was a noticeable dip in production quality.

They should have ended the series in season four.

 

[Mikelus]

Tom was never unwilling to wear the costume just not on the show and because of what I have mentioned above. In fact before Superman Returns when the where going to do a Superman film they went to both Tom and Michael. They both turned down doing a feature film because they felt the timing was wrong. They wanted to wait till smallville was done first. The reason for that was Smallville was always about Clark journey to becoming Superman. It was the trials and tribulations that lead to him becoming Superman. The moment he puts on the costume that journey is over.

Tom Welling didn't want to wear the suit:

Just out of professional curiosity, does that mean we'll see Tom Welling in some spandex tights next year? I know the fans really want to see that.

Brian Peterson: Probably not as soon as you expect, but you never know. The one person who doesn't want to see that unfortunately is Tom Welling, so that's a bigger conversation.

http://fr.eonline.com/news/120288/smallville-will-chloe-survive

Tom is not a fan of the genre, in fact, he turned down the role twice before changing his mind after reading the Pilot script: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Welling

On the other hand, Routh is a fan and reads comics, hopefully the new spinoff will work, he doesn't need another failure after Superman Returns.

 

[mocomic]

Ray Palmer's story could be developed further by introducing Ryan Choi as a student of Dr. Ray Palmer when he was teaching at the University.

Then there's Plamer's girlfriend Jean Loring, his enemies are Bug-eyed bandit, Floronic Man and Chronos.

If there's a team-up series with Fire Storm, then I can easily see the characters as well as villains of the two interacting which could be interesting.

Jean Loring has already been introduced. She was Moira's lawyer.

 

[Mikelus]

Jean Loring has already been introduced. She was Moira's lawyer.

Yes, but Teryl Rothery is 52 and Routh is only 35, so if they use Loring, it will be a younger version, probably the daughter of the Arrow version, thus sharing the same name.

 

[luis4u]

Yes, but Teryl Rothery is 52 and Routh is only 35, so if they use Loring, it will be a younger version, probably the daughter of the Arrow version, thus sharing the same name.

Remember the old Linda park from arrow and flash pilot.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

I don't think it's so much about him being more popular, but Blue Beetle's character profile matching more with what the producers are trying to do with Brandon's Ray Palmer.

I mean Arrow's version of Atom won't be shrinking within the foreseeable future, and will most likely be relying more on his gadgets, weapons, and armor to fight against crime.

However in the comics, being equipped with high tech weapons and gear was more Ted Kord's thing when compared to Palmer. Heck, Palmer isn't even a millionaire in the comics; but Kord is.

Nice thank you for the explanation.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I'm hoping this Atom spinoff happens so I don't have to see Ray Palmer anymore on Arrow. This season has been bad enough, I don't need low-rent Tony Stark periodically dropping by to make the show even worse.

 

[dario2739]

So, the Atom isn't gonna shrink?
what's the point of using his character then?!?

 

[Micromind]

So, the Atom isn't gonna shrink?
what's the point of using his character then?!?

Not on Arrow, as the special effects require more budget... which they will have once there's a spin-off show.

I think Atom will shrink but in the new spin-off show.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

how are the the special effects for shirking more expensive then flying?

 

[Herolee10]

how are the the special effects for shirking more expensive then flying?

I could be totally wrong about this, but I think one of the reasons why it might be expensive is that they can simply get away with using a cheap CGI model of Atom flying in archived footage of the city that they're using in real life for "Starling City", whereas with shrinking Atom, they have to actually film more of Brandon in front of a Green/Blue Screen while creating the CGI background (or carefully filming) the backdrop that will be used in the background.