Arrow Brandon Routh IS Ray Palmer/The Atom

[Lencho01]

They also said the Flash/Arrow crossover made them reconsider superpowers and the fantastic not appearing on Arrow and they no longer feel like it'd detract from the shows tone (kinda surprised they didn't realize that after season two involved a bunch of supersoldiers tearing up the city, but that's just me).

Really? Well, that's better. This season has been pretty meh for me and powers would make it a bit more entertaining for sure.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Looks good to me.

Idk...it just looks like an Iron Man model to me. I hope that isn't how it comes off.

 

[Mike Murdock]

They also said the Flash/Arrow crossover made them reconsider superpowers and the fantastic not appearing on Arrow and they no longer feel like it'd detract from the shows tone (kinda surprised they didn't realize that after season two involved a bunch of supersoldiers tearing up the city, but that's just me).

I feel "stronger and tougher" isn't a leap too far, though. It's a much easier sell than shrinking down really tiny. That being said, it's much closer to running at super speeds, so if they can have the Flash on Arrow, they can be a little more flexible. I feel they need either one more fantastical thing or at least reference the things going on in Central City before the Arrow audience is ready for it.

 

[Boy Scout]

The Arrow audience had a year to get ready for it. I don't think super strength and increased durability are any less fantastic than super speed.

 

[Paradox1]

Once you introduced superpowers, I feel like all powers are fair game except magic. So a guy shrinking to the size of atom and riding on a photon seems acceptable to me.

 

[Boy Scout]

I can actually understand why they would be hesitant to portray shrinking on the show. It is a little out there. But the Canary Cry is very tame, and I can't believe they (apparently) have no plans to give it to Laurel any time soon.

 

[Bathead]

Once you introduced superpowers, I feel like all powers are fair game except magic. So a guy shrinking to the size of atom and riding on a photon seems acceptable to me.

That makes no sense. Other super powers that, in reality, are physically impossible are OK, but magic isn't?

 

[Fincher]

I don't think super strength and increased durability are any less fantastic than super speed.

I don't think it's a question of type of superpower so much as degree. Mirakuru made people strong, but not Superman strong. More like lion strong. Whereas The Flash is a lot faster than, say, a cheetah, and his mind and muscle reaction time have to work that much faster to keep him from tripping over his own feet or crashing into a wall. Which is a pretty convenient feature since he got the powers in a freak accident. The Mirakuru formula was deliberately developed by people looking to enhance human capability, so it makes sense that it would be a cocktail of beneficial attributes.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

As long as Arrow uses enough technobabble to explain Ray Palmer's suit it should be fine.

 

[Norek]

I don't think it's a question of type of superpower so much as degree. Mirakuru made people strong, but not Superman strong. More like lion strong. Whereas The Flash is a lot faster than, say, a cheetah, and his mind and muscle reaction time have to work that much faster to keep him from tripping over his own feet or crashing into a wall. Which is a pretty convenient feature since he got the powers in a freak accident. The Mirakuru formula was deliberately developed by people looking to enhance human capability, so it makes sense that it would be a cocktail of beneficial attributes.

I'd say it was a little bit more than that - Slade was breaking AK47s with his bare hands and throwing people in the air like they were pillows. Same goes for that guy who stole **** from Queen Consolidated. There was also the healing factor which made people heal completely from gunshots and stuff like that in the matter of hours, with no scars left. It's just as fantastical as something like Barry's speed I'd say, just not as flashy (no pun intended!) in its appearance.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Once you introduced superpowers, I feel like all powers are fair game except magic. So a guy shrinking to the size of atom and riding on a photon seems acceptable to me.

Eh, there's very little difference between shrinking someone to the size of an atom and magic.

 

[Paradox1]

Eh, there's very little difference between shrinking someone to the size of an atom and magic.

Introducing magic changes the rules of what's possible in the world, if you are the creator. A whole new set rules would have to be developed so this concept can work within this established world. Such as who can use it, what is possible, what are it's weaknesses, and etc.

While saying a man shrinks because of some quasi science easily fits because the Flash's powers are also based on that. It doesn't change anything drastic about the storytelling like magic would.

 

[Rorschach2012]

s1: reality
s2: super strength
s3: metahumans
s4: aliens
s5: magic

 

[Mike Murdock]

Introducing magic changes the rules of what's possible in the world, if you are the creator. A whole new set rules would have to be developed so this concept can work within this established world. Such as who can use it, what is possible, what are it's weaknesses, and etc.

While saying a man shrinks because of some quasi science easily fits because the Flash's powers are also based on that. It doesn't change anything drastic about the storytelling like magic would.

When it comes to what people believe, they don't necessarily follow this rule. I agree with you completely that it can be justified on this basis, but it's not the same thing to say that people will believe it on the same basis. What people believe and disbelieve doesn't even have to be logical. But I'd argue, here, it is. There's a difference between things that can happen in this world just not to the same degree and things that can't happen in this world.

Particularly things that can never happen in this world because they defy logic. Shrinking, in tact, a human made up of tiny little particles to the size of those particles (presumably shrinking his version of those particles even smaller) defies scientific thinking in a way super strength does not. It's really easy to imagine making someone stronger, which is all Arrow did with the Mirakuru.

And I'm saying this as someone who wants to see Ray Palmer to use the suit (because why else introduce the character?). But it's nowhere near as easy a sell as the Mirakuru formula.

 

[Paradox1]

When it comes to what people believe, they don't necessarily follow this rule. I agree with you completely that it can be justified on this basis, but it's not the same thing to say that people will believe it on the same basis. What people believe and disbelieve doesn't even have to be logical. But I'd argue, here, it is. There's a difference between things that can happen in this world just not to the same degree and things that can't happen in this world.

Particularly things that can never happen in this world because they defy logic. Shrinking, in tact, a human made up of tiny little particles to the size of those particles (presumably shrinking his version of those particles even smaller) defies scientific thinking in a way super strength does not. It's really easy to imagine making someone stronger, which is all Arrow did with the Mirakuru.

And I'm saying this as someone who wants to see Ray Palmer to use the suit (because why else introduce the character?). But it's nowhere near as easy a sell as the Mirakuru formula.

Shrinking is a bit of stretch I will agree with that. However as long as it's given explanation that fits within the established narratives it can be done. Lots of stories have involved shrinking that have made it become part of general subconscious. A great example of that is Alice in Wonderland. In science fiction there have been many shrinking machines such as in Fantastic Voyage, Innerspace and Honey, I Shrunk the kids. The science behind it doesn't even need to explained just there is this part which makes it all possible.

 

[WBwins]

I kinda dislike Atoms silver age powers(Shrinking,Size manipulation).

Much prefer the Golden age powers(Atomic Punches,Superstregth,Agility,Resistance to Radiation).

So no shrinkinf for Atom

 

[TheBat812]

I had no idea his power set was that all over the place, I just remember reading one comic as a kid where he shrunk. Curious to see if they introduce his powers at all in arrow. Maybe he'll swap over to flash and get his powers there.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

I kinda dislike Atoms silver age powers(Shrinking,Size manipulation).

Much prefer the Golden age powers(Atomic Punches,Superstregth,Agility,Resistance to Radiation).

So no shrinkinf for Atom

idk, cause they said he was making his Exosuit with the Dwarf Star alloy, isn't that what gives him his shrinking ability ?

 

[Bathead]

idk, cause they said he was making his Exosuit with the Dwarf Star alloy, isn't that what gives him his shrinking ability ?

yup.

 

[mocomic]

If the effects are ok visually , I say do it.

 

[metaphysician]

I had no idea his power set was that all over the place, I just remember reading one comic as a kid where he shrunk. Curious to see if they introduce his powers at all in arrow. Maybe he'll swap over to flash and get his powers there.

Its not all over the place. Its just that there is a golden age character with the same name, who is otherwise unrelated.

Basically, you have the Al Pratt Atom, who was a Golden Age mystery man of the "mask and fist" variety, who later on gained some atomic super powers. His successors, Nuklon/Atom Smasher and Damage, inherited by one means or another similar "brickiness plus miscellaneous atomic powers" power sets.

Meanwhile, you have the Ray Palmer Atom, who was a Silver Age science hero who built himself a device out of a fragment of a neutron star, which allowed him to shrink himself. He's had a successor, too: Ryan Choi, who was also a science hero who also used the shrinking belt.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

I prefer shrinking, anyway...
whats the point of having the character on Arrow, if we never see this...

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, after the recent crossover with the Flash, they shouldn't hesitate anymore in having Palmer go full out Atom on the show.

 

[cheungcheung]

Honestly, after the recent crossover with the Flash, they shouldn't hesitate anymore in having Palmer go full out Atom on the show.

Agreed

 

[Nathan]

They are so going to get into legal trouble for Atom's suit.

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