Breaking Bad - - Part 11

[Travesty]

(last time I remember him saying ***** was in the "Yeah b**** magnets!" episode).

Nah, he's said it a lot after that episode. He said it tons when they were robbing the train.

I think he stopped using it a lot after this half season started. The beginning of 5.1 he was saying it quite a bit.

 

[Shikamaru]

Nah, he's said it a lot after that episode. He said it tons when they were robbing the train.

I think he stopped using it a lot after this half season started. The beginning of 5.1 he was saying it quite a bit.

Yeah that's true. Forgot about the train.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I was just thinking about the theory again of Walt taking on traits of people he's killed, and considering the details of the flashforwards, the promo for tomorrows episode, and Walt's still unknown reasoning for returning, I think its safe to say [blackout]Skyler [/blackout] and likely [blackout]Marie too[/blackout] don't make it out alive.

In the episode, I'm thinking that

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the disappearing guy takes Walt to Saul, who warns him that his family is gonna be targeted and, basically, gets him a window to go get them/convince them to be disappeared as well seeing as the Nazi's WILL kill them no matter what if they stay. Just like they killed Hank due to what he knows and being a loose end.

In the course of the episode, Skyler and Marie (who know the most outside of Walt, Jesse, and Saul (Jesse and Saul being safe for now)) are killed while Walt is able to get and disappear or disappear with Jr. and Holly.

Only once they are safe, does he come back and exact unholy vengeance on the Nazis.

It would be the most logical reason why the White House is in shambles as well as why he's coming back. Because we already know that he doesn't care if blue method is sold without him cooking, regardless of purity, and he doesn't care about Jesse anymore.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I'm also thinking there's gonna be a moment where Walt

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Gives Jr. his keys and tells him to take Holly to the pickup spot and wait (and leave regardless of if he makes it), while he tries to save Skyler and Marie, bringing the driving and the buggy moments into play.

 

[Tron Bonne]

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But why would the Nazis target Walt's family? They don't need him anymore, since they have Jesse to cook. Any heat he could to bring, they could bring to him, so I don't see the connection. Plus, Walt is already gone, unless they do some kind of weird flashback and show that all of this stuff happened before what we say in Ozymandias.

 

[SpideyFan866]

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But why would the Nazis target Walt's family? They don't need him anymore, since they have Jesse to cook. Any heat he could to bring, they could bring to him, so I don't see the connection. Plus, Walt is already gone, unless they do some kind of weird flashback and show that all of this stuff happened before what we say in Ozymandias.

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Because Walt, and his family, know too much. If Walt goes down or if Skyler and/or Marie talk, they are going down. Not only for killing Hank and Gomie, but for their involvement in finding Walt locations to cook and arranging the murder of the 11 guys that were gonna rat on Walter, Jesse, and Mike.

They have alot to lose. And with their empire growing due to their new slave labor, they aren't gonna let Walter White and his family ruin that.

If not for Todd and their initial need for Walt to cook, Walt would've died in the desert with Hank and Gomie.

And let us not forget that Todd and his family work for Lydia, and she HATES loose ends.

She was the one who ordered Mike's men killed. Walt just went along for his own best interest.

 

[Sawyer]

Yep. [blackout]If Walt's secret is out and there are eyes on Walt's family, and Skyler in particular, they won't have that.[/blackout]

 

[SpideyFan866]

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All of those plot points and what seemed to be minute details about Lydia, Todd and his family are going to come into play in these last two episodes.

And in a big way.

Hell, Jesse becoming a slave and being forced to cook was foreshadowed BIG TIME when Gus took him to mexico to appease the Salamanca family.

And the threat that Todd's family now pose to the White family was foreshadowed by Skyler's fear that someone might someday come and hurt the family because of Walt. And that already began with Hank.

 

[Shikamaru]

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What about the possibility of Walt going after Todd and his uncles to get his $69 million back?

Walt has $11 million on hand by the end of last week's episode. With that amount of money, why doesn't he just hire a team of professionals to kill the Nazis? Why doesn't he cook a greater quantity of ricin at his new place as opposed to travel all the way back to his house and risk being seen? Why is he dressed like a complete bum?

It could be possible that Walt will somehow lose most of his $11 million (if not all of it) and returns to Albuquerque to reclaim the rest of his money.

 

[Barefoot Doctor]

All speculation, but not sure on the rules:

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Don't we know the Nazis are heading for Hank and Marie's house? Jesse told Todd about the confession tape he made with Hank, and Todd said they 'were on it'. Suggests they'll be visiting Casa Schrader to get rid of all the evidence. Quite easy to imagine that Marie, Skyler, Walt Jr and Holly will all be there.

Also can't wait for the final showdown between Walt and Jesse, which has to happen. Maybe Skyler and the rest of the family are safe, but Walt comes toting the big gun because he hears about the blue meth and it tips him off that Jesse is still alive? He might be willing to let 'his' product continue to be made without him, but he'll still blame Jesse for everything and want him dead.

Obviously the Nazis plan is to kill Jesse once Todd becomes more familiar with the method for making the blue meth. Jesse knows this - can see him getting some chemicals together and killing Todd, leaving him the only one capable of making it. Would be a nice nod to all that he's learned over the series too.

 

[SpideyFan866]

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What about the possibility of Walt going after Todd and his uncles to get his $69 million back?

Walt has $11 million on hand by the end of last week's episode. With that amount of money, why doesn't he just hire a team of professionals to kill the Nazis? Why doesn't he cook a greater quantity of ricin at his new place as opposed to travel all the way back to his house and risk being seen? Why is he dressed like a complete bum?

It could be possible that Walt will somehow lose most of his $11 million (if not all of it) and returns to Albuquerque to reclaim the rest of his money.

Doubtful.

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After losing his family and being exposed, he wouldn't even able to give it to Skyler and the kids like he wanted. Hell, Skyler didn't even want the 11 million he had after the Nazi's took the rest, let alone the full 80 million she herself was reluctant to take despite Walt's "last wishes".

Walt going back will with a doubt be because of his family.

Maybe that'll include Jesse as well if he learns of his predicament and..... disagrees with it, regardless of "his" meth and money.

 

[SpideyFan866]

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After trying to retire and after all that has happened with Hank, its VERY UNLIKELY Walt still gives a **** about the rest of the money, or the fact that Lydia and Co. are still selling Blue Meth and are now selling the genuine article.

He didn't care that they were gonna do it/were doing it when they asked for it in exchange for killing Jesse, so why would he care now?

He was getting disappeared in spite of that. Walt, clean and clear, wanted a new start.

ANY reason he's coming back is a Walter White reason, not a Heisenberg reason

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[Sawyer]

I have serious doubts that [blackout]the money has nothing to do with it. After all his work, and all that happened as a result of his choices, I have my doubts that the idea of so much of his money sitting with a group of people that stole it-- that didn't earn it-- is sitting well with him.[/blackout]

 

[SpideyFan866]

I have serious doubts that [blackout]the money has nothing to do with it. After all his work, and all that happened as a result of his choices, I have my doubts that the idea of so much of his money sitting with a group of people that stole it-- that didn't earn it-- is sitting well with him.[/blackout]

True. If

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Skyler some how makes it out of "Granite State" alive, then I could see him going back for the money. But only so that Skyler and his kids still have their nest egg, since he'll be close to death by that point.

Though, I could see that being one of his reasons, regardless of if Skyler and Marie make it out alive

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[Shikamaru]

Doubtful.

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After losing his family and being exposed, he wouldn't even able to give it to Skyler and the kids like he wanted. Hell, Skyler didn't even want the 11 million he had after the Nazi's took the rest, let alone the full 80 million she herself was reluctant to take despite Walt's "last wishes".

Walt going back will with a doubt be because of his family.

Maybe that'll include Jesse as well if he learns of his predicament and..... disagrees with it, regardless of "his" meth and money.

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Yes, but doing it for his family is only part of the reason as to why Walt was cooking meth up till now. Throughout the course of the show, a secondary reason arose as to why he does what he does and it has entirely to do with his ego.

As he told Jesse, he is not in the meth business or the money business but in the empire business. Walt takes pride in the money he made. He has so much pride in being the genius behind the pure blue meth that he even convinced Hank to reopen the Heisenberg case when Hank thought Gale was Heisenberg. He had the chance to completely cover his tracks but didn't go for it because he did not want someone else to take the credit for his own work.

In a way, wanting to provide for his family is what mainly triggered the birth of Heisenberg. Prior to the start of the show, Walt always felt no one ever fully gave him the credit he deserves for his scientific genius, which goes back all the way to his days with Elliot & Gretchen.

If anything, the death of his family would only further motivate him to get his money back. Remember at the start of Season 5 when Skyler rejected him and said she is waiting for him to die? Walt told Jesse "This business is all I have now, and you want to take it away from me". If his family is gone, his money will be the only thing he has left and the Nazis took that from him.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Solid point.

 

[Sawyer]

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Yes, but doing it for his family is only part of the reason as to why Walt was cooking meth up till now. Throughout the course of the show, a secondary reason arose as to why he does what he does and it has entirely to do with his ego.

As he told Jesse, he is not in the meth business or the money business but in the empire business. Walt takes pride in the money he made. He has so much pride in being the genius behind the pure blue meth that he even convinced Hank to reopen the Heisenberg case when Hank thought Gale was Heisenberg. He had the chance to completely cover his tracks but didn't go for it because he did not want someone else to take the credit for his own work.

In a way, wanting to provide for his family is what mainly triggered the birth of Heisenberg. Prior to the start of the show, Walt always felt no one ever fully gave him the credit he deserves for his scientific genius, which goes back all the way to his days with Elliot & Gretchen.

If anything, the death of his family would only further motivate him to get his money back. Remember at the start of Season 5 when Skyler rejected him and said she is waiting for him to die? Walt told Jesse "This business is all I have now, and you want to take it away from me". If his family is gone, his money will be the only thing he has left and the Nazis took that from him.

Yep. I mean, I think the events of Ozymandias might have humbled him/brought him back down to earth/shattered his Heisenberg delusions to a degree, but I think it'd be foolish to think there's none of that element of his personality left.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Has anyone seen that pic of

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Hank punching his way out of the grave?

I know it can't be real, but is it from a Funny or Die video or what?

 

[The Navigator]

Has anyone seen that pic of

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Hank punching his way out of the grave?

I know it can't be real, but is it from a Funny or Die video or what?

Yes.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Thought so. Would anyone mind linking it to me?

 

[The Navigator]

Thought so. Would anyone mind linking it to me?

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http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3312edf54c/hank-schrader-what-happens-next

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Thank ya

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I'm also thinking there's gonna be a moment where Walt

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Gives Jr. his keys and tells him to take Holly to the pickup spot and wait (and leave regardless of if he makes it), while he tries to save Skyler and Marie, bringing the driving and the buggy moments into play.

And after last episode, you think Walt Jr would go along with this... why?

Speculation is fun I guess, but I think whatever's in store for the next two episodes of BB will take us by surprise and blow our ideas away.

 

[Piper Maru]

Are we anticipating any more deaths tomorrow? I'm still recovering from last episode!

 

[georgec]

I'm anticipating Jesse giving Todd a one-way ticket to Belize.