Breaking Bad - - Part 11

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I don't like Lydia. She has good reason to be paranoid but I don't like how she comes off.

I think that's kinda the point. She's a terrible person.

 

[BatLobster]

I only felt sorry for Lydia in that one scene where Mike was about to kill her and she was pleading that her daughter can't think she just left.

But yeah, I really hope she does die in the finale. The ricin being for her seems a bit obvious since it was teased in Episode 508, I wouldn't mind a more brutal death for her honestly lol.

I also honestly hope Walt does go on a rampage and takes down more than just Jack's gang. I actually hope he shoots up Grey Matter and kills a bunch of innocents just to see how Team Walt tries to justify it.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

I only felt sorry for Lydia in that one scene where Mike was about to kill her and she was pleading that her daughter can't think she just left.

But yeah, I really hope she does die in the finale. The ricin being for her seems a bit obvious since it was teased in Episode 508, I wouldn't mind a more brutal death for her honestly lol.

I also honestly hope Walt does go on a rampage and takes down more than just Jack's gang. I actually hope he shoots up Grey Matter and kills a bunch of innocents just to see how Team Walt tries to justify it.

I'll still have his back.

 

[Homer J. Fong]

Team Walt can justify anything.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Team Walt. Ride or die.

 

[Shikamaru]

I only felt sorry for Lydia in that one scene where Mike was about to kill her and she was pleading that her daughter can't think she just left.

But yeah, I really hope she does die in the finale. The ricin being for her seems a bit obvious since it was teased in Episode 508, I wouldn't mind a more brutal death for her honestly lol.

I also honestly hope Walt does go on a rampage and takes down more than just Jack's gang. I actually hope he shoots up Grey Matter and kills a bunch of innocents just to see how Team Walt tries to justify it.

They'll probably say something among the lines of "They stole his work and made millions off it so they deserve it".

And about that, I really hope we get a proper explanation as to why Walt left Grey Matter. That way we know whether the dislike he has for Elliot & Gretchen is justified. That and Gus' past are the only unanswered big questions in the show left.

 

[BatLobster]

That's a good point Shika. I always got the vibe that there was some sort of love triangle between him, Elliot and Gretchen going on there.

 

[Shikamaru]

All we know is that one day Walt packed his things and left without even talking to Gretchen. That's about the only piece of information we have.

I also heard some people say he sold his share to get some money for Walt Jr.'s birth but I don't know remember if that was ever stated.

I do like the way this article words it:

In the very first episode Walt went out to the desert as a desperate man trying the only thing he could think of to provide financial security for his family. But out there he rediscovered some element of dignity and self-esteem that he’d lost years before getting diagnosed with cancer. And it quickly boiled over into egomaniacal rage. Elliot and Gretchen offered to help Walt out. But he chose to go back into meth cooking to avoid accepting their charity. He didn’t want to have to be grateful to people who he clearly and profoundly believes screwed him over in some way.

The bar scene closed that loop again. Family mattered to Walt. Mattered so much that without it he was willing to give up. Willing, that is, until he remembered about Gray Matter.

I hope that we really get the backstory on this, but I fear that we won’t. I’m curious, obviously, about what happens to Jesse and the Nazis. I’d like to know whether Lydia gets away with it, and even whether Huell ever leaves the hotel room. But there are no real mysteries left about Heisenberg. Whether he dies of cancer or of gunshot wounds or commits suicide by ricin is somewhat immaterial at this point. We’ve seen, in exquisite detail, how Walt became Heisenberg, and we know that Heisenberg is out of allies and out of time. What we don’t know is how Walter White, brilliant chemist, became Walter White, beaten-down high school chemistry teacher. It’s a real and profound mystery. Why did he leave? Why did he get so little money? Why did the circumstances of his departure leave him unable to get a corporate job or a university position?
My biggest fear about the show at this point is that there are no answers to these questions. The pitch was that Mr. Chips becomes Scarface. But it only takes a handful of episodes before you realize that Walt isn’t just some guy who happens to know some chemistry. He’s brilliant, driven, and egomaniacal. So what was he doing in that high school in the first place? If we haven’t been told already, it may be because there was never a reason.

Source: http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/tv_club/features/2013/breaking_bad_final_season/week_7/breaking_bad_season_5_part_2_episodes_recap_and_review_of_granite_state_2.html

 

[TheNextNolan22]

A comment on that article that stood out to me regarding Walt and Gretchen:

"Vince Gilligan told us exactly what went down between the characters off screen: We were very much in love and we were to get married. And he came home and met my family, and I come from this really successful, wealthy family, and that knocks him on his side. He couldn’t deal with this inferiority he felt — this lack of connection to privilege. It made him terrified, and he literally just left me, and I was devastated. Walt is fighting his way out of going back to that emotional place, so he says, “F— you.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

It's pretty clear that Walt has always been a small and petty man who always resents those who have more success and suffers from a constant need to prove himself as better. Whatever resulted in him leaving Grey Matter, it's clear his own pride is at the heart of it.

Unless you're on Team Walt (as in, people who support him as a person, not for the story), in which case those jerks stole his life work and deserve everything coming to them from the honourable and good meth dealer who collaborates with neo-Nazis and coerces and rapes his wife.

 

[Maximus One]

Do you guys think any more family members are gonna die in the finale? I'm still expecting something truly shocking and disturbing. I mean, we didn't even really see Hank's death. Just the shot then it cut away. Somebody important needs to die and it needs to be seen and it needs to be disturbing. I kinda think I might be setting myself up for disappointment here though

 

[TheNextNolan22]

There will be quite a bit of bloodshed I think. I honestly have know clue how this show is gonna end, it almost worrying me haha.

 

[Brother Jack]

Unless you're on Team Walt (as in, people who support him as a person, not for the story), in which case those jerks stole his life work and deserve everything coming to them from the honourable and good meth dealer who collaborates with neo-Nazis and coerces and rapes his wife.

I'm not what you'd call Team Walt, but if you're referring to the scene early in Season 2 it was attempted rape.

 

[Tron Bonne]

They'll probably say something among the lines of "They stole his work and made millions off it so they deserve it".

And about that, I really hope we get a proper explanation as to why Walt left Grey Matter. That way we know whether the dislike he has for Elliot & Gretchen is justified. That and Gus' past are the only unanswered big questions in the show left.

I see people reference unanswered questions about Gus, but I don't think anyone has actually told me what these supposed threads were exactly?

 

[chaseter]

How is Lydia a bad person? She's not evil at all??? People just want her to die for getting in the way of Walt?

 

[Tron Bonne]

That's a lot of question marks. Are you stating or asking? Be clear, APPLY YOUR ****ING SELF!

 

[TheNextNolan22]

There are LOTS of prediction to how this show will end and I stumbled upon a comment right now on Buzzfeed that kind of sums up how I feel the show will end.

Spoiler

Season 5 Opener: Close-in shot of the "Live Free or Die" license plate. Scene is set in Denny's, where the waitress informs Walt that the meal is FREE since its his birthday, prompting the line "Its free. Free is good. Even if I was rich, free is *always* good."

**SPOILER**
Conclusion: Keeping in mind *nothing* is a weird coincidence in this series, they could have had him go to iHOP instead of Denny's. They could have sent him to Vermont instead of New Hampshire. This is a foretelling of the decision Walt will ultimately make. Will he live free? Or will he die? In light of the recent episode, and Walt's decision to return to New Mexico with an M60 in his trunk and some ricin in his pocket... I think we can now be certain what Walt's ultimate fate is. He *will* die in the last episode.

OR... In light of what the Denny's waitress said... He could be presented with the choice: Abandon his money, but "live free" or go after his money from the Nazis and die.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/erinlarosa/11-predictions-for-the-series-finale-of-breaking-bad

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Edit: never mind

 

[Kane52630]

‘Breaking Bad’ Creator Gilligan in Deal for CBS Show, ‘Battle Creek’

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/26/b...n-in-deal-for-cbs-show-battle-creek.html?_r=0

Vince Gilligan, the creator and producer of one of the most-talked-about series in recent years, “Breaking Bad,” is the hottest name in television. “Breaking Bad” is fresh off an Emmy win for best drama and drawing huge audiences as it builds toward the final episode of its five-season run on AMC on Sunday.

Vince Gilligan, the creator of “Breaking Bad,” with its star, Bryan Cranston, right, and other show members on Sunday at the Emmy Awards, where it was named the best drama series.

Now Mr. Gilligan has concluded a deal that will bring another series he created to the more lucrative side of the business, broadcast TV.

Sony Pictures Television, the studio that has an exclusive contract with Mr. Gilligan, announced on Wednesday that it had concluded a rich deal with CBS to produce a new series created by Mr. Gilligan, with a guarantee that it will go onto the network’s prime-time schedule next fall.

The show, a police drama called “Battle Creek,” comes with an added layer of elite television pedigree. Based on Mr. Gilligan’s script, which he originally wrote for CBS 10 years ago, before he created “Breaking Bad,” the show’s production will be led by David Shore, another celebrated television producer, who created and produced the longtime Fox hit drama “House.”

The deal reflects the status Mr. Gilligan has reached, largely on the strength of the success of “Bad.”

CBS has promised to produce 13 episodes and put them all on the air. Most show deals begin with a script payment, and the next stage is limited to the making of a pilot. In this case, CBS has committed to paying for all 13 episodes before they are even produced.

Neither Sony nor CBS would reveal the specific financial terms of the deal, though Zack Van Amburg, the president of programming for Sony, said CBS would pay “a premium license fee.” Based on the typical costs of a pilot and an additional 12 episodes for an expensive, hourlong drama with top-tier producers attached, it is probably worth $35 million to $45 million.

“In the Hollywood development community, Vince is the hottest name in the business,” Mr. Van Amburg said. “If I went somewhere with the phone book with Vince’s name on it, I could sell it.”

Mr. Van Amburg credited Nina Tassler, the president of CBS Entertainment, with pushing for “Battle Creek.” Ms. Tassler visited the Sony studio in mid-August, bearing two bottles of cheap wine (the best she could find in the neighborhood). In the midst of discussions about prospective shows, she brought up the “Battle Creek” script she had worked on when she was head of CBS drama a decade ago. (It was a “cast-contingent” deal, and a suitable cast could not be found.)

“If Vince would rewrite it, and direct it, I would give you a pilot order,” Ms. Tassler told Mr. Van Amburg.

At the time, Mr. Gilligan was then entirely consumed with finishing off “Breaking Bad,” so the studio held off bringing up the “Battle Creek” offer until a short time later, when Mr. Van Amburg and his Sony partner, Jamie Erlicht, traveled with Mr. Gilligan to the Edinburgh television festival. “After a couple of pints in a pub from the 1700s,” Mr. Van Amburg said, they broached the idea of resurrecting the series.

They told Mr. Gilligan they had a great show-runner, Mr. Shore, under contract, and suggested the two of them could team up on “Battle Creek.” Mr. Gilligan liked the idea.

Mr. Van Amburg said Sony pitched the pair to CBS as if they were “the equivalent of the Dream Team.” Sony was demanding that CBS commit to more than the conventional pilot, citing the fact that other content outlets — Netflix was mentioned — would most likely offer a deal for a full season to secure a team like Mr. Gilligan and Mr. Shore. CBS agreed to the terms, which were completed on Wednesday.

For now, Mr. Van Amburg said, the intention is for Mr. Gilligan to direct the initial episode of the show.

“Battle Creek” is a drama about two detectives in Battle Creek, Mich. One is a trusting naïf, the other a cynic who relies on guile and deception. They find themselves in competition with an F.B.I. agent whom they see as the epitome of a crime-fighter, though he is far from that.

Mr. Gilligan’s reputation has soared in recent weeks, as “Breaking Bad” hurtles toward its finale, accompanied by critical praise and obsessive devotion on social media. The show won the Emmy Award for Best Drama last Sunday. “Breaking Bad” has repeatedly broken its own record for ratings over the final run of eight episodes. But its high of 6.6 million viewers last week does not approach the level of viewers a hit network series can reach. “NCIS” on CBS routinely attracts 20 million viewers.

The commitment for “Battle Creek” is the second full-series deal Sony and Mr. Gilligan have signed this month. AMC concluded a deal with him and one of his “Breaking Bad” writers, Peter Gould, for a spinoff series called “Better Call Saul,” based on the corrupt lawyer character Saul Goodman, created for “Breaking Bad.”

 

[Soapy]

I'm not what you'd call Team Walt, but if you're referring to the scene early in Season 2 it was attempted rape.

It's implied that he did something to her in one of the episodes in season 5A. I can't remember which one. Maybe the second one. Then in one of the later 5A episodes, after Skyler did her fake suicide attempt, she and Walt had their big argument and she said something to the effect of, "I can't keep you out of the house, I can't even keep you out of my bed." Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I took that to mean more than literally just sharing a bed.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

How is Lydia a bad person? She's not evil at all??? People just want her to die for getting in the way of Walt?

No, you're right, great lover of misplaced question marks. Lydia is a good person who happens to be an international meth distributor and an advocate for the slaughter of innocent families. In fact, she's so pure and sweet even her psycho-puppy Todd refuses when she wants him to kill the White family.

 

[Bruce Malone]

‘Breaking Bad’ Creator Gilligan in Deal for CBS Show, ‘Battle Creek’

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/26/b...n-in-deal-for-cbs-show-battle-creek.html?_r=0

I'm not so sure about this. A police show on CBS? I'm sure it will be decent by network tv standards but i'm not sure how interested i'll be in it?

I feel like cable is really the only go to place for quality drama these days but i can't blame him for going for a big deal he deserves it after bb.

 

[Sawyer]

It's not going to be Breaking Bad-level, I'm sure and definitely not with CBS attached, but "not Breaking Bad-level" doesn't automatically equal "pure garbage".

 

[Bruce Malone]

Yeah that's what i meant by me saying "i probably won't be too interested". I know there are some decent network dramas it's just that most of them do very little to interest me.

They just seem too procedural and watered down compared to the cable ones. Even Dean Norris was complaining a bit about the limitations on a network show vs a cable one, now that he's on "under the dome".

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

I'm not what you'd call Team Walt, but if you're referring to the scene early in Season 2 it was attempted rape.

I'd actually forgotten about that. Rather, I'm referring to what Soapy is talking about.

It's implied that he did something to her in one of the episodes in season 5A. I can't remember which one. Maybe the second one. Then in one of the later 5A episodes, after Skyler did her fake suicide attempt, she and Walt had their big argument and she said something to the effect of, "I can't keep you out of the house, I can't even keep you out of my bed." Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I took that to mean more than literally just sharing a bed.

Yeah, and let's not forget when the show full-on abandons implications - Walt creepily stating "I forgive you" and leading her to the bed as she looks dazed and knowing she cannot get out of it without losing everything. It's clear in season five that Walt sees sex with his wife as his right - it's all part of his self-image as the breadwinner of the family that he's been trying to achieve his whole life, rather than the emasculated person the pilot of the show reveals him to be.

That's the true genius of the phone call Walt uses to make Skyler look innocent - he plays himself over the top, yet everything he says at once time or another was true. He was lying the whole time, and he meant every word.