The Dark Knight Bruce Wayne's Journey in "TDK"?

[Obsidian]

So, we've basically covered him coming to terms with his parents' death and what his ultimate goal as Batman is. So what's next? What psychological journey will Bruce/Batman go on now that everything has escalated and Joker's in town?

 

[Rezzo]

Well Nolan said this ¨The film will continue the themes of Batman Begins such as justice vs. revenge and Bruce Wayne's father issues¨

 

[Cinemaman]

^^^

Umm, when did he say this? And didn't he mention that he was going with a really new formula for sequel?

 

[Rezzo]

^^^

Umm, when did he say this? And didn't he mention that he was going with a really new formula for sequel?

Don´t remember when he said that exactly

 

[JTIZZLEVILLE]

I think Bruce going too far as Batman will be explored.

In BB, Batman had to destroy the monorail in order to save the city. He didn't have a choice.

I think in TDK, Batman must come to terms with who is. I'm sure he will want to killer Joker after all he does.

 

[Lord Thanos]

well, dualitys a sure bet so far,i just hope it reachs the hights set by year 1(his sence of hope and determination should almost border on maddness)like watching someone you love slowy destroy themseves, all to preseve the good

 

[Transcended]

My hope is that Alfred's fear ("You're getting lost inside this monster of yours") gets justified in a big way.

Also, I want to see things get really personal (and therefore dangerous) for Bruce. As in, his friendship with Harvey and Gordon invests him too much in what ends up going down; his relationship with Rachel invests him too much when Joker somehow hurts her, etc. This all, of course, would fuel the fire as far as him stepping too close to "the abyss".

So, mainly? I just want to see the guy struggle with consequences, and realize what the full extent of his mission looks like. Escalation means escalation inside of our hero as well.

 

[Lord Thanos]

My hope is that Alfred's fear ("You're getting lost inside this monster of yours") gets justified in a big way.

Also, I want to see things get really personal (and therefore dangerous) for Bruce. As in, his friendship with Harvey and Gordon invests him too much in what ends up going down; his relationship with Rachel invests him too much when Joker somehow hurts her, etc. This all, of course, would fuel the fire as far as him stepping too close to "the abyss".

So, mainly? I just want to see the guy struggle with consequences, and realize what the full extent of his mission looks like. Escalation means escalation inside of our hero as well.

i hope the joker make bruce question the idea of not killing(a theme like this would only vindicate batman as a true hero as the sky falls(gotham city) on his head(my hope any way


right on the money

 

[the_monk]

One interesting thing to note from Begins regarding the monorail: Bruce had to destroy what his father created in order to save Gotham. It's almost a Freudian idea, the destroying what his father built in order to come to terms with himself. Except in this case he holds his father in high regard. It's still interesting.

And I hope to God they don't forget about Bruce's story and simply make it all about Batman. It seems that they understand that based off of the interviews on the Begins DVD though.

 

[the_monk]

i hope the joker make bruce question the idea of not killing(a theme like this would only vindicate batman as a true hero as the sky falls(gotham city) on his head(my hope any way


right on the money

I like this idea!

 

[Lord Thanos]

at the hight of his obsesion with preseving justice,we star to se some where and tear on bruce,think back to that alex ross pic with bruce back exposed with a zillion scars,also some razor stuble would be keen too(giving us the impresion hasnt be out of uniform in days,with light scraching on the costume,perticulaly the mask

p.s think the new deal with the cape is the Bladed cape from dk2?(and sadly the coolist scene from that book) prey this is true floks

 

[Anguissette1979]

My hope is that Alfred's fear ("You're getting lost inside this monster of yours") gets justified in a big way.

Also, I want to see things get really personal (and therefore dangerous) for Bruce. As in, his friendship with Harvey and Gordon invests him too much in what ends up going down; his relationship with Rachel invests him too much when Joker somehow hurts her, etc. This all, of course, would fuel the fire as far as him stepping too close to "the abyss".

So, mainly? I just want to see the guy struggle with consequences, and realize what the full extent of his mission looks like. Escalation means escalation inside of our hero as well.

Very well said!

 

[Figs]

My hope is that Alfred's fear ("You're getting lost inside this monster of yours") gets justified in a big way.

Also, I want to see things get really personal (and therefore dangerous) for Bruce. As in, his friendship with Harvey and Gordon invests him too much in what ends up going down; his relationship with Rachel invests him too much when Joker somehow hurts her, etc. This all, of course, would fuel the fire as far as him stepping too close to "the abyss".

So, mainly? I just want to see the guy struggle with consequences, and realize what the full extent of his mission looks like. Escalation means escalation inside of our hero as well.

Same here. I want TDK show Batman almost lose his morals and beliefs briefly over killing the Joker. Just briefly mind you. I want it to cross his mind that maybe some villians deserve to die, but eventually he will hold strong to his values.

 

[creamyiraq]

My thoughts are that the movie is going to reflect the toll that leading the double life of Batman/Bruce Wayne has on Bruce himself, and how he is going to have to overcome them both to defend the city.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

The way I see it, there are two major character moments in Batman's history that I would like to see represented in this series.

I'll echo what many have said in that TDK should concern Bruce slipping too far into his Batman persona. It makes sense for the themes of the movie.

And secondly, though I doubt we'll see it (I really wish we would), I'd like the third one to deal with his escaping this mental abyss, and the way to do this is to introduce Dick. The father figure angle is one of the most important character elements of Batman; it's really one of the only places to take the character. And it's a perfect way to close the theme of father and son that was so heavily used in Begins.

 

[Figs]

The way I see it, there are two major character moments in Batman's history that I would like to see represented in this series.

I'll echo what many have said in that TDK should concern Bruce slipping too far into his Batman persona. It makes sense for the themes of the movie.

And secondly, though I doubt we'll see it (I really wish we would), I'd like the third one to deal with his escaping this mental abyss, and the way to do this is to introduce Dick. The father figure angle is one of the most important character elements of Batman; it's really one of the only places to take the character. And it's a perfect way to close the theme of father and son that was so heavily used in Begins.

You don't think it's a little too soon for Dick? I mean he just started out in BB, hopefully in TDK he'll be full on Batman. I personally, if he had to be in a film would put him in the third or a 4th, if there will be a 4th.

 

[Threshold]

Badass to badassier.

 

[ultimatefan]

Given that escalation is a big theme of the movie, and considering Gordon´s talk with Bats at the end of Begins, i think a big part of it will be about Batman considering if what he does brings more good than bad to Gotham. Is he indirectly responsible for the creation of freaks like Joker?

 

[Darknightnomis]

I think the "escalation" theme hinted at the end of 'Begins' has a dual persepctive.

The ciminals in gotham will become more deranged with Batman's existant ala the Joker and 2-Face, but also that Batman himself is overtaking the personage of Bruce Wayne and that Bruce Wayne is continuing to lose himself in his "monster" as Alfred intimated in his chatisment of him in begins.

I expect to see by the end of the film some form of balance between Bruce Wayne activies in hindering crime and helping others, outside of being Batman, such as maybe opening the help center in crime Alley or more public philanthropic actives.

 

[kilg%re]

I remember a quote from nolan saying that part of the reason this film was TDK was also because it can mean that things have to get worse before they can get better as in its always darkest before the dawn

 

[DACrowe]

I don't expect a happy ending. I suspect Joker will do some REALLY henious things (kill Rachel?) and push Batman to the edge. He is such a threat Bruce becomes obsessed and Alfred sees Bruce Wayne and his father's son vanishing into the character Bruce created, Batman.

And then, by the end ofo the movie he has the choice to kill the Joker or not and chooses not to but the Joker escapes and is some how indirectly responsible for the creation of Two-Face. Bruce is completely lost and Batman is at the edge of sanity.

That sets up redemption for the third film. Like a great 3 act play of a hero's journey. And I think the inclusion of Dick Grayson (but no Robin) by the end of the third living with Bruce would be a nice closure for the trilogy.

 

[COMPO]

i think we should see Bruce's guilt of leaving Ra's to die on the monorail.

 

[The Guard]

I never saw any indication in BATMAN BEGINS that he wasn't over the death of his parents. He just still wanted revenge, but he didn't seem to be stuck on their deaths.

I imagine BATMAN BEGINS will deal with Bruce realizing the stakes of his war and the constant need to reinvent himself and keep up with criminals, struggling not to cross the line, going deeper into the abyss, and realizing what his mission will cost him in term of friendships, relationships, etc.

 

[Doc Samson]

One interesting thing to note from Begins regarding the monorail: Bruce had to destroy what his father created in order to save Gotham. It's almost a Freudian idea, the destroying what his father built in order to come to terms with himself. Except in this case he holds his father in high regard. It's still interesting.

And I hope to God they don't forget about Bruce's story and simply make it all about Batman. It seems that they understand that based off of the interviews on the Begins DVD though.

^ Exactly what I loved about the first movie. Even after Alfred's speech when he told him not to make the guests leave because he had to uphold his father's name, he had to make a jerk of himself and mess up the Wayne reputation anyway. Really, he destroyed just about everything in order to save Gotham, including the house & the monorail. We definitely need more of this, since he is responsible for most of the mayhem he must now oppose...

 

[Cristo]

I imagine BATMAN BEGINS will deal with Bruce realizing the stakes of his war and the constant need to reinvent himself and keep up with criminals, struggling not to cross the line, going deeper into the abyss, and realizing what his mission will cost him in term of friendships, relationships, etc.

Well, why don't you go ahead and watch the movie and find out? t: