Fantasy Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel the Vampire - Part 3

[Primal Slayer]

I’m not too hot about a Spike-centric story, but hey, it’s going to have a parallel universe where Cordy is a slayer, so it has my curiosity lol.

But seriously, Disney should do so much more with this franchise. So many different stories you can tell.

Disney cant even shell out $$ for a proper remaster...

 

[Dr.]

Mild meh being an audio drama...

Well… the audio medium neatly sidesteps the issue of an aging cast — especially for non-aging Spike.

 

[Havok83]

I’m not too hot about a Spike-centric story, but hey, it’s going to have a parallel universe where Cordy is a slayer, so it has my curiosity lol.

But seriously, Disney should do so much more with this franchise. So many different stories you can tell.

Does Disney own it?

 

[flickchick85]

Does Disney own it?

Ever since they bought Fox, yes.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Well… the audio medium neatly sidesteps the issue of an aging cast — especially for non-aging Spike.

I wouldn't want to see more Spike anyway. He's the Wolverine of the Buffyverse

 

[ComicChick]

I guess I finally need to finish season 5 of Angel now. I’ve been putting it off because I’m at the episode where Illyria makes her into

 

[Dr.]

I wouldn't want to see more Spike anyway. He's the Wolverine of the Buffyverse

I assume…

For a project like this — which involves the original cast — the story is written based on which actors are available. And for whatever reason, Geller, Brendon and Hannigan are no-shows. So you go with who you have. Or you don’t go at all.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I assume…

For a project like this — which involves the original cast — the story is written based on which actors are available. And for whatever reason, Geller, Brendon and Hannigan are no-shows. So you go with who you have. Or you don’t go at all.

They had everyone sans those 3. No reason why Spike had to be front and center.

 

[henzINNIT]

Spike is the biggest character with an actor keen to reprise the role, lol. I'd rather someone else as the lead but I don't mind Spike, and he's popular enough to anchor this project.

This is very strange news though. No idea what this will amount to, but I will check it out for sure.

 

[mclay18]

Well… the audio medium neatly sidesteps the issue of an aging cast — especially for non-aging Spike.

I agree. As amazing as folks like Charisma, James and SMG still look, most of the other Buffy cast members haven't aged as well. And looking back at 90s Con this year, Amber doing the last minute pullout (and having Julie Benz step in) makes a LOT more sense now -- she was likely putting the final touches on the Audible scripts or recording her scenes.

And my mouth is salivating at the prospect of more Buffy material if "Slayers" is a big hit. There's no reason they can't do the animated series scripts in Audible format, for one.

 

[mclay18]

Disney cant even shell out $$ for a proper remaster...

I honestly think Fox probably had plans in the works to remaster Buffy for Blu-ray (since they did it for X-Files), then the Disney buyout happened. Buffy is too niche for Disney to bother with a Blu release unlike SW and Marvel.

But hey, I never thought Disney would release their streaming hits on physical media either.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I would give my left arm for a Tales of the Slayer anthology show. I used to love those books back in the day.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I would give my left arm for a Tales of the Slayer anthology show. I used to love those books back in the day.

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The fact that FX hasnt even attempted to do a Buffy spinoff is SUS. Doing a Slayer anthology show and pairing it with AHS would be a no-brainer.

 

[mclay18]

They just made her annoying in season 6. She could’ve been much more

Dawn was annoying, but not above the level of a normal teenage girl. I’m just ambivalent about her character, as Michelle brought a fresh dynamic to the show (S5) but also weighed it down (S6-S7).

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Dawn was annoying, but not above the level of a normal teenage girl. I’m just ambivalent about her character, as Michelle brought a fresh dynamic to the show (S5) but also weighed it down (S6-S7).

I still think not giving her Key powers after Glory or a little crew of her own (that they hinted at in Lessons) screwed the Dawn character over. Michelle deserved better.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I still think not giving her Key powers after Glory or a little crew of her own (that they hinted at in Lessons) screwed the Dawn character over. Michelle deserved better.

They should've used her to be the one to gain access to the Hellmouth

 

[henzINNIT]

I believe Dawn did get dimension opening powers in the comics eventually. I kinda like her being a normie though tbh. Would have liked to see more of her high school antics in season 7, but things got pretty overloaded with the First plot in that season.

 

[Bayne]

Yeah, I definitely would not have wanted Dawn to develop powers. But her friends from Lessons should have stayed on for sure. There was so much poorly used writing space with the story just lamely treading water throughout the middle of that season. They could have easily fit them in.

 

[ComicChick]

Finally finished season 5 of Angel tonight. Last 3-4 episodes were pretty great, but I feel like so much happened off screen that we missed so much.

I somehow did not cry this time when Fred died but her “why can’t I stay?” Still gutted me a little. I think my back pain distracted me more than anything because I remember crying for sure when it originally aired. I watched that yesterday. But tonight I did cry a little when Wes died.

It’s weird that my journey through both shows is finally over. I’d seen Angel before when it originally aired. Had never seen Buffy until after 2020. (Not entirely sure when I started it. Would have to search the thread). And this was my second time through Angel.

Trying to decide if I even want to look into the comics. Read a brief summary on the Wiki page and wow.

 

[Dr.]

Random musings — which may interest no one…


So… I’m rewatching Buffy for the nth time, and I get myself ready for a particular plot “mistake”: Buffy’s tombstone.

It was briefly seen at the very end of “The Gift” (the season 5 finale); and it was the focus of action in “Bargaining Pt. 1” (the season 6 premiere).

Now, apparently, fans have been commenting on this for years. And though I’m usually not very observant when it comes to goofs and plot holes, I noticed it right away too. To wit: If Buffy’s death was being kept secret from assorted demons as well as Dawn’s school (thanks to Buffy Bot), then memorializing her passing on a monument is spectacularly nonsensical.

And this got me thinking about “allowable” lapses in logic and realism that are (ostensibly) baked into certain subjects and genres. For instance, Sunnydale’s police department is conveniently absent or incompetent much of the time. But to me, this is a kind of a playful trope/in-joke that we’re just supposed accept and wink at. No problem.

Then, there’s something like the in-universe rule that vampires require an invitation to enter a home. Most of the time this is followed. Indeed, important plot points in various episodes have been based on this rule. But there have been a couple or three slip-ups. And one gets the impression (from DVD commentary) that this violation is done with full awareness, as an expedient. I.e., story and narrative flow take precedence over nitpicky adherence to “rules” that only nitpickers care about. Well…

And it seems as if this same sort of rationalization was applied to the tombstone issue. I speculate that Whedon really wanted the tombstone as a coda to “The Gift” because he really wanted the epitaph engraved on it. “She saved the world. A lot.” …is an almost perfect, poignant (and humorous) encapsulation of the entire series. And if this creates a logic problem for the subsequent resurrection episode, then... too bad for logic.

 

[henzINNIT]

Yeah the tombstone thing doesn't line up. Whedon likely wasn't thinking far ahead when it was put in season 5, which works fine at the time, until season 6 decided the gang kept Buffy's death a secret. I think it is shown that the grave is not in a cemetary, so they buried her somewhere discrete and didn't do an official funeral; but it's still dumb to label her grave anywhere.

 

[Isub_Zero]

Random musings — which may interest no one…


So… I’m rewatching Buffy for the nth time, and I get myself ready for a particular plot “mistake”: Buffy’s tombstone.

It was briefly seen at the very end of “The Gift” (the season 5 finale); and it was the focus of action in “Bargaining Pt. 1” (the season 6 premiere).

Now, apparently, fans have been commenting on this for years. And though I’m usually not very observant when it comes to goofs and plot holes, I noticed it right away too. To wit: If Buffy’s death was being kept secret from assorted demons as well as Dawn’s school (thanks to Buffy Bot), then memorializing her passing on a monument is spectacularly nonsensical.

And this got me thinking about “allowable” lapses in logic and realism that are (ostensibly) baked into certain subjects and genres. For instance, Sunnydale’s police department is conveniently absent or incompetent much of the time. But to me, this is a kind of a playful trope/in-joke that we’re just supposed accept and wink at. No problem.

Then, there’s something like the in-universe rule that vampires require an invitation to enter a home. Most of the time this is followed. Indeed, important plot points in various episodes have been based on this rule. But there have been a couple or three slip-ups. And one gets the impression (from DVD commentary) that this violation is done with full awareness, as an expedient. I.e., story and narrative flow take precedence over nitpicky adherence to “rules” that only nitpickers care about. Well…

And it seems as if this same sort of rationalization was applied to the tombstone issue. I speculate that Whedon really wanted the tombstone as a coda to “The Gift” because he really wanted the epitaph engraved on it. “She saved the world. A lot.” …is an almost perfect, poignant (and humorous) encapsulation of the entire series. And if this creates a logic problem for the subsequent resurrection episode, then... too bad for logic.

did Buffy's name was known to every Vampire and Demon in the world?
If not... why is it so hard to believe?
Beside i think a much bigger plot hole is that after Buffy's dead on season 5 no new Slayer was "called for duty" to replace her.

 

[Dr.]

did Buffy's name was known to every Vampire and Demon in the world?
If not... why is it so hard to believe?
Beside i thing a much bigger plot hole is that after Buffy's dead on season 5 no new Slayer was "called for duty" to replace her.

Even if you exclude the villains (many of whom seemed to know the Slayer’s civilian identity), the tombstone is highly problematic for the general public (Buffy’s dad, Dawn’s teachers, etc.) who assumed Buffy, because of the Bot, was alive and well. The issue is entirely avoided by not having a tombstone.

Your other point is kinda valid. Buffy, herself, assumes that if she were to die (again) a new slayer would be called — yet she doesn’t question why one wasn’t called after her previous demise. Fans, of course, have solved the problem: Buffy was no longer in the True Slayer line; Faith occupied that role.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I personally would still like to know how did the monks get a sample of Buffy’s DNA to transform the Key into Dawn.

 

[ComicChick]

^ I wondered about that too.

And since Angel is still on the brain, how did Angel get into Kates apartment to save her when she never invited him in?