Sequels Can a Spider-Man movie ever top The Dark Knight?

[I Am The Knight]

I said Spider-Man topped Batman before, and Spider-Man can do it again.

And in return, Batman can top Spidey again, just like this year.

 

[LightningFlash]

And in turn...God will be like "Okay, okay...even I know Batman is better than Spider-Man."

 

[lou2099]

Batman has surpassed Spider-Man at the box office once. Spider-Man has already topped him twice. We shall see if Spidey will net the hat trick once the fourth movie comes around.

 

[Mario_Galaxy]

I think Kraven's Last Hunt could give TDK a run for its money. At the end of the day though I'm a fan of both and want to see both series do well.

 

[hatebox]

Batman has surpassed Spider-Man at the box office once. Spider-Man has already topped him twice. We shall see if Spidey will net the hat trick once the fourth movie comes around.

The 4th film won't, too many people thought SM3 was crap. And that WILL make a difference.

 

[Infinity9999x]

The 4th film won't, too many people thought SM3 was crap. And that WILL make a difference.

That will certainly be a detractor to the next film, it's going to be a hurdle it will have to face.

However, if they improve some of the mistakes Raimi has been making with the SM movies (and I really hope they do) then we could get a BB to TDK situation. Moderately successful SM4, then a huge SM5.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think SM4 is going to be pretty big. Maybe not as big as the others, but certainly bigger than BB. SM3 still made 900 mil. Even with a drop off, where does that leave it at? 600 mil worst case scenario (I think likely in the 700s personally). Still makes it bigger than BB. Now, I doubt either SM4 or SM5 surpass TDK at the BO. Not impossible, but VERY unlikely.

One problem I have with all this is does Spider-Man really have to top Batman in order to be good? I don't think so. They are vastly different characters in their own right, and all this "Spidey beat Batman, HA!" or "TDK owns all Spidey movies, HA!" talk is silly. Yes, SM3 was not as well received as the previous installments. But, I think people are expecting too much of a backlash.

If we talk in terms of quality, can a SM movie top TDK? Certainly. It is quite possible. TDK is not a movie that is impossible to top. Challenging to top, sure. Not impossible. I think people give TDK too much of this ray of invincibility. Bad mouthing it results in bashing. Thinking another movie is better results in bashing. Not worshipping it means bashing from others. I mean, this is rediculous. I love TDK as much as anyone, but come on!

In short, let Spider-Man be Spider-Man, and Batman be Batman without worrying about topping each other all the time.

 

[Venom'sDad]

You know Spider-fan, you make some interesting points, but SM3 problem was the story arc 1st, writing 2nd, usage of characters 3rd, and lack of maturity last... and I don't think that Sam Raimi is capable of rectifying those issues, because of his style of moving making.

 

[Spider-Fan]

You know Spider-fan, you make some interesting points, but SM3 problem was the story arc 1st, writing 2nd, usage of characters 3rd, and lack of maturity last... and I don't think that Sam Raimi is capable of rectifying those issues, because of his style of moving making.

His style worked very well for the first two installments. Have we all forgotten he made those movies also? I hope Nolan doesn't get this kind of treatment if BB3 doesn't stand up to BB or TDK.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I have not forgotten the previous two films, but those films have set the foundation that Spidey is trapped in unless a major overhaul takes place, which is apparently not happening.

With that said, IMHO, on Spider-Man was fair in 2 of the 4 criteria I express above... one honestly can't say that about the remaining two films. IMHO the battle scenes is the best part of Spider-Man 2.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I have not forgotten the previous two films, but those films have set the foundation that Spidey is trapped in unless a major overhaul takes place, which is apparently not happening.

With that said, IMHO, on Spider-Man was fair in 2 of the 4 criteria I express above... one honestly can't say that about the remaining two films. IMHO the battle scenes is the best part of Spider-Man 2.

Then you and I share differing views on the first two movies. I love the first two Spider-Man movies. I love them more than even BB. Now, TDK is superior to them, but SM2 is easily a close 2nd to TDK to me. I also personally enjoy SM3, and have been made fun of gor it repeatedly on here. Was it as good as the first 2? No, nor did I expect it to be going in. I still thought it was a good movie, but that is my personal opinion.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

Sure it can, the Batman franchise has "Batman And Robin" on it's record and it managed to bounce back! As teeth shatteringly, hair pullingly disappointing as Spider-Man 3 is... It's still no Batman And Robin.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Don't forget BF. Also lame movie that SM3 is easily better than.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Then you and I share differing views on the first two movies. I love the first two Spider-Man movies. I love them more than even BB.

Yes we do and that's fine; but as far as those criteria I gave above, BB was much better in all catagories IMHO than any of the Spidey films, and I am primarily a Spidey/Supes fan... not really a big fan of Bats, but story wise I have to give credit where credit is due. I think most are still taken back by the novelty of finally seeing Spidey on the big screen when it comes to the first film, and not really paying much attention to the criteria express.

There is a complete different philosophy in approach for these franchise... I think that goes without saying. I still enjoyed all the Spidey films btw, just think it does not compare to the Bats films and am very disappointed with the way the Spidey film are being told.

Sure it can, the Batman franchise has "Batman And Robin" on it's record and it managed to bounce back! As teeth shatteringly, hair pullingly disappointing as Spider-Man 3 is... It's still no Batman And Robin.

Batman bounced back solely because WB luck up and found people who understand the essence of the character, supporting cast(minus Rachel which was meant to be a throw away character), villains, and story telling.

The reason why I say Sam needs to go before it get to B&R, BF, Supes 3 & 4, SR, DD, Catwoman, Electra, and Ang Lee's Hulk status.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yes we do and that's fine; but as far as those criteria I gave above, BB was much better in all catagories IMHO than any of the Spidey films, and I am primarily a Spidey/Supes fan... not really a big fan of Bats, but story wise I have to give credit where credit is due. I think most are still taken back by the novelty of finally seeing Spidey on the big screen when it comes to the first film, and not really paying much attention to the criteria express.

There is a complete different philosophy in approach for these franchise... I think that goes without saying. I still enjoyed all the Spidey films btw, just think it does not compare to the Bats films and am very disappointed with the way the Spidey film are being told.

Batman bounced back solely because WB luck up and found people who understand the essence of the character, supporting cast(minus Rachel which was meant to be a throw away character), villains, and story telling.

The reason why I say Sam needs to go before it get to B&R, BF, Supes 3 & 4, SR, DD, Catwoman, Electra, and Ang Lee's Hulk status.

The SM movies do take a lot of pointers from the Superman series. SM1 uses the exact same origin template in fact. Focus on the romance, 1st half origin, last half Hero vs. Villain. BB is a great movie, don't get me wrong. I think SM2 is purely better however and SM1 is more enjoyable (not by much, but that's me).

 

[Doctor Jones]

This is the thing that kills me. People shouldn't be thinking if this should top TDK. If it doesn't? Fine. If it does? Great. They can both be great in their own ways without having the conscious thought of topping the other. Raimi would never do this. He just would want to tell a great story.This is why you people aren't making these films thank God for that.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This is the thing that kills me. People shouldn't be thinking if this should top TDK. If it doesn't? Fine. If it does? Great. They can both be great in their own ways without having the conscious thought of topping the other. Raimi would never do this. He just would want to tell a great story.This is why you people aren't making these films thank God for that.

Worry about your movie, and not someone else's.

 

[hatebox]

Don't forget BF. Also lame movie that SM3 is easily better than.

The problem with that analogy is that the same director of SM3 is returning, it's not like Spider-man is getting much of a re-boot. As far as we know at least.


PS - I don't think people really need to say Batman and Spiderman are different, who cares who 'wins', blah blah blah. This thread hasn't been deleted, it's obviously a question that's at the back of many people's minds, let's just debate calmly without having the need to constantly say it's not worth talking about. That wasn't directed at anyone in particular, it just gets a little tedious to see the same kind of posts over and over again. The two franchises are currently by far the most popular superhero films: comparisons are inevitable and sometimes even quite interesting to discuss.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The problem with that analogy is that the same director of SM3 is returning, it's not like Spider-man is getting much of a re-boot. As far as we know at least.


PS - I don't think people really need to say Batman and Spiderman are different, who cares who 'wins', blah blah blah. This thread hasn't been deleted, it's obviously a question that's at the back of many people's minds, let's just debate calmly without having the need to constantly say it's not worth talking about. That wasn't directed at anyone in particular, it just gets a little tedious to see the same kind of posts over and over again. The two franchises are currently by far the most popular superhero films: comparisons are inevitable and sometimes even quite interesting to discuss.

Ummm, Schumacher returned after BF

 

[Jick]

I think SM4 is going to be pretty big. Maybe not as big as the others, but certainly bigger than BB. SM3 still made 900 mil. Even with a drop off, where does that leave it at? 600 mil worst case scenario (I think likely in the 700s personally). Still makes it bigger than BB. Now, I doubt either SM4 or SM5 surpass TDK at the BO. Not impossible, but VERY unlikely.

I think it's very unlikely for SM4. but if it is great, then SM5, with the larger number of screens that it'll certainly have at the time it is released, could do it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think it's very unlikely for SM4. but if it is great, then SM5, with the larger number of screens that it'll certainly have at the time it is released, could do it.

I won't disagree with you on that. That is assuming SM4 is great, and I have a great feeling about it personally. I see Raimi going back to what made the first 2 work for so many, and avoid over crowding the movie like he did with SM3 (which I still say was unavoidable at the time).

 

[hatebox]

Ummm, Schumacher returned after BF

So, continuing your analogy, you expect SM3 to be another B&R?

Obviously I'm kidding, but I'm just saying the only reason batman bounced back was because he got a new director and vision. Nothing so far suggests Spider Man will get that, but we'll see.

 

[Spider-Fan]

So, continuing your analogy, you expect SM3 to be another B&R?

Obviously I'm kidding, but I'm just saying the only reason batman bounced back was because he got a new director and vision. Nothing so far suggests Spider Man will get that, but we'll see.

Problem with your analogy is that Schumacher didn't do Batman or Batman Returns. Raimi did SM1 and SM2, thus showing he can make quality Spider-Man movies. If he gets back to what made those awesome, Raimi will be fine.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Don't forget BF. Also lame movie that SM3 is easily better than.

I disagree. SM3 was equally bad. Not as bad as Batman & Robin, but that is where the franchise could end up if they don't drastically change some things about it.

 

[SuperKoala]

yeah he's right