Daredevil Cancelled!

[ZenTheAvenger]

Surely all of the Marvel series will just continue on Disney's new streaming service?!

This is a joke otherwise, Daredevil was such a great series.

 

[zenith16]

Surely all of the Marvel series will just continue on Disney's new streaming service?!

This is a joke otherwise, Daredevil was such a great series.

it's a possble option disney curretly own's or will two streamin survices. the more likely place is hulu

as shown below inthe thrid segment I gott get off to work .

Completely agree, Iron Fist wasn't a huge surprise because of how poorly received it was. Luke Cage was, but after Daredevil it's clear netflix is done with Marvel. I read one article that indicated it was due to creative differences and costs and that I could believe. Disney probably has nothing to do with it since those shows were for Netflix to renew or cancel and why would you let go of a Marvel property?

It's cause they think they have nothing to loose cause they have the creator of kick ass mark millar and his millar world creations. they want something comic's related to them selves.the probly add more beside millar's creation too. Like that Blight made for Netflix thing will smith did .

The other reason is they view Disney as their biggest threat cause they own two streaming services.

Hulu they will soon own the largest share of with 40 percent (or something like that)of it and that's next to their own disney + plus.

But I saw victor lucas mention something about hulu opening their stream service to more people out side states. it's the third segment inthe video below on his thought on hulu being own by Disney as the majority owner.

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Today in the Rundown, we have big news about Disney's upcoming streaming service, including a new Star Wars and Loki series! We also find out what the future holds for another streaming platform Hulu, learn why Activision is disappointed with Destiny 2, have some interesting news about Super Mario Party and a potential price cut for the Switch Joy-Con controllers, get our hands on new gaming laptops from MSI, and finally, learn what big animated movie is the latest to join Kingdom Hearts 3!


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Both viable options

 

[Spider-Fan]

As stated elsewhere, Disney+ will not feature R/TV-MA content. Therefore Daredevil and the other Defenders shows will not be on Disney+. If they are to keep them going on any streaming service, Hulu would be more likely as they would own a majority stake in it once the FOX deal completes.

Another possible option would be FX if they opt to put the shows on a network as opposed to just streaming.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

I wouldn't be against Cox as Batman, but I don't see it happening.

With you completely. Don't hate the idea, but I can't imagine he's even on their radar.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Do you think Disney's streaming service has anything to do with this?

Absolutely. I don't think it was done to move the show's over there, but I think the politics involved 100% had something to do with it.

 

[samsnee]

These shows are just too dark and violent for Disney to pick up for their streaming service. If they do, they would need to be overhauled and I don't see Disney paying money for that when they can just start fresh with Feige's ideas instead of trying to adapt someone else's.

 

[Spider-Fan]

You wouldn't have to start fresh. All you would have to do is move forward if the goal was to tone them down going forward. You wouldn't be editing the existing shows or whatever. Daredevil is already a lawyer. JJ is a PI. Etc. The shows can just be treated as backstory like any past film is treated. You want a kinder, gentler Daredevil? Then just do it. There really is no reason to have to remove anything from continuity.

 

[Random490]

Disney is a threat when it comes to the overall market but that wouldn't effect Marvel shows on Netflix. As long as they're making a profit and attracting new subscribers from the content it's a win-win.

It's cause they think they have nothing to loose cause they have the creator of kick ass mark millar and his millar world creations. they want something comic's related to them selves.the probly add more beside millar's creation too. Like that Blight made for Netflix thing will smith did .

That is a good point I forgot about, Millar World. Licensing Marvel properties was more expensive than that deal. Plus they had to cooperate with Marvel Television, I don't know how large Millar's World is but I guess Netflix can throw it's weight around more with it than Marvel. This way they have a superhero/comic based properties that they can produce cheaper and have greater control over it. Makes much more sense to me.

Another possible option would be FX if they opt to put the shows on a network as opposed to just streaming.

It's semantics but Streaming and Networks are essentially the same thing so it's not like that's a huge decision. FX is prefect spot since not many Disney Networks that I know of show more mature content. As long as they are willing to fund these shows it should be simple.

 

[kguillou]

You know whos fault this can really be traced back to? Scott freaking Buck. He ****ed up Iron Fist and that had a snowball effect on the rest of the Marvel Netflix shows. Defenders was supposed to be their Avengers and it landed with a thud because it was a three legged horse. (Even though I personally enjoyed it). Just like with The Avengers, it could only ever work if all of the individual pieces worked and Iron Fist spoiled the broth. And then ever since viewers have been dropping off. I guarantee you if Defenders was a big hit for Netflix they'd have been emboldened to hang on to the Marvel license for as long as possible.

So, yeah, this is all Buck's fault. Lol

 

[Arachnerd]

It's one thing to cancel a successful show, it's another to just leave the people involved in its creation in the dark until the announcement when season 4 was already in early development. That is just disgustingly disrespectful.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Another thing I do have to add: if we say 1 season = 1 movie, then we did basically get a Daredevil trilogy and it did end on a somewhat complete note and wrapped up. We can say if you count Defenders toward Luke and Danny, they sort of got trilogies also (though not entirely solo trilogies). Though Luke's end point makes the least sense.

Would I love more of each show? 100% absolutely. But we did sort of get trilogies when viewed in a certain way. Trilogies have been the MCU movie norm, so I guess it works in a way here also.

 

[samsnee]

That's a good way of looking at it. I'm just glad we got another season with the Kingpin and wrapped up that storyline.

 

[Random490]

Another thing I do have to add: if we say 1 season = 1 movie, then we did basically get a Daredevil trilogy and it did end on a somewhat complete note and wrapped up. We can say if you count Defenders toward Luke and Danny, they sort of got trilogies also (though not entirely solo trilogies). Though Luke's end point makes the least sense.

Would I love more of each show? 100% absolutely. But we did sort of get trilogies when viewed in a certain way. Trilogies have been the MCU movie norm, so I guess it works in a way here also.

I agree, if we had Season 3 as a finale for Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Punisher I'd feel a lot better about how these run of shows came to an end.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I agree, if we had Season 3 as a finale for Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Punisher I'd feel a lot better about how these run of shows came to an end.

Agreed. Those shows ending at 2 sucks. But again, even though it is not perfect, we can view Iron Fist and Luke Cage as Season 1 - Defenders - Season 2 and Punisher as DD Season 2 - Punisher seasons 1 & 2 as trilogies. Though in each, case, they lose a solo entry for a team-up/other show.

 

[psylockolussus]

No respect what so ever. This series is undoubtedly the best thing marvel have conjured up on the small screen. Then there's people like you who want to rub salt in the wounds of those heavily invested . Don't let the door hit you on the way out and on that note **** you netflix

What no respect whatsoever? I was speaking for myself and the show was a chore to get through. You are the one who needs to learn to respect.

 

[MadVillainy]

You know whos fault this can really be traced back to? Scott freaking Buck. He ****ed up Iron Fist and that had a snowball effect on the rest of the Marvel Netflix shows. Defenders was supposed to be their Avengers and it landed with a thud because it was a three legged horse. (Even though I personally enjoyed it). Just like with The Avengers, it could only ever work if all of the individual pieces worked and Iron Fist spoiled the broth. And then ever since viewers have been dropping off. I guarantee you if Defenders was a big hit for Netflix they'd have been emboldened to hang on to the Marvel license for as long as possible.

So, yeah, this is all Buck's fault. Lol

Nah. Disney would've gotten them back by any means

 

[kguillou]

So you guys think this was strictly a Disney move and not a decision related to ratings?

 

[2kt09]

So you guys think this was definitely a Disney move and not a decision related to ratings?

It can't be both? Disney saw the ratings and figured that money is being wasted.

 

[Random490]

So you guys think this was strictly a Disney move and not a decision related to ratings?

I think it was completely Netflix's call. It's really hard to say since we don't know the numbers and only have rumors. I know Iron Fist season one was rumored to have the highest viewership so it's likely with that being receive poorly kill enthusiasm for casual viewers only keeping Marvel fans on. But also they could all still be making a profit, but just not enough of a profit. If they could invest in a show that's cheaper to make and get the same number of viewers they get more money.

It can't be both? Disney saw the ratings and figured that money is being wasted.

Doubt that's it, Disney would get directly involved with this, it's purely a Netflix/Marvel Television. Way down on the totem pole as it were. Disney may be many things but they have yet to really micro manage Marvel in any significant way. Beside, Netflix were the ones funding it.

Netflix orders the season provides the funds for the budget, Marvel Television makes it (creative direction, contracts for production companies, etc), then Netflix distributes it and takes most the profits, some of which is paid to Marvel as licensing fees. As zenith16 pointed out they benefit more with Millar World, which would cut out the middle man and give Netflix more control.

In fact the more I think about it the more I feel the partnership with Millar World is the cause. If it wasn't MW it would have been something else and this just an inevitable outcome.

I could also see it be a situation where Netflix offered to order more shows but with less budget per episode and Marvel turned them down.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I am in agreement the Millarworld purchase is likely more at play here.

 

[MadVillainy]

So you guys think this was strictly a Disney move and not a decision related to ratings?

Both

 

[2kt09]

I think it was completely Netflix's call. It's really hard to say since we don't know the numbers and only have rumors

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Doubt that's it, Disney would get directly involved with this, it's purely a Netflix/Marvel Television. Way down on the totem pole as it were. Disney may be many things but they have yet to really micro manage Marvel in any significant way. Beside, Netflix were the ones funding it.

Netflix orders the season provides the funds for the budget, Marvel Television makes it (creative direction, contracts for production companies, etc), then Netflix distributes it and takes most the profits, some of which is paid to Marvel as licensing fees. As zenith16 pointed out they benefit more with Millar World, which would cut out the middle man and give Netflix more control.

So...where exactly in all this does ABC Studios factor in?

 

[Drizzle]

It’s not surprising but I’m sure we’ll see these characters again on Disney Plus.

I’ll probably be cancelling my Netflix subscription once JJ S3 and Punisher S2 hit, and I’ll only resubscribe for a month at a time for the remaining seasons of Stranger Things.

I just wish that they’ll give DD Season 3 a Blu-Ray release but that’s extremely unlikely now.

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

I'm unfortunately hearing rumors about that Daredevil won't be picked up by Disney because Netflix still have the first three seasons, which sadly enough sounds like a plausible reason.

As much as I want to see more it's not like Disney needs the show as they have plenty of more moneymaking properties in the Marvel brand. The graph a couple of posts above really doesn't show anything that would make Disney give it a second thought either.

 

[Tony Stark]

I hope that Disney finds some way to continue properties that are more adult oriented. Now that they own Fox, perhaps the best way is to use Fox to distribute the more adult content ala Deadpool and use Disney proper for the more family friendly brands.

The problem with the way Netflix distributes series, makes it very difficult for any series to have strong viewership throughout. It's not well publicized when the new series are coming out. There's no set schedule like network TV using Fall and Spring release schedules. One of the biggest problems is the quality of the shows has varied greatly between the franchises. Punisher, DD S1, S2, and JJ S1, have been the standouts. I liked Iron Fist but it's story telling was very disjointed. Defenders I think to most was a large disappointment. There's really only 2 episodes you get to really see everyone in action and for most of that the teams were broken up. I think having the Hand as the enemy in stead of facing a better villain like Fisk was also a mistake.

It's rather ironic that DC has done great with their television properties, but has failed to get traction on it's film properties other than Wonder Woman, and it's been the opposite for Marvel and it's TV properties. I hope Marvel can get this figured out and that there might be a chance for these characters to live on somewhere else.