Civil War Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty - (Chris Evans) - Part 1

[Herolee10]

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...d-frozen-twitter-20160524-snap-htmlstory.html

Good grief. Why can't some people just accept that Steve is heterosexual? And before someone responds to that statement by saying that there are bisexual people out there, yes... I know about that but Steve Rogers isn't one of them.

I'm personally tired of seeing certain fictional characters change just because the creators feel pressured to obliged into the fantasies of an minority group that want to see their fan fiction come to life.

 

[Rote]

That's a good point. He could be undecided because he has never been in a long term relationship. But I don't think you can say the movie presents any real notion of an unspoken romance between James Barnes and Steve Rogers.

I don't see any problem with it either. I am ALL for Peggy, Steve clearly loved her, but it doesn't mean Steve can't discover that what he actually feels for Bucky is more romantic than friendship. Why? Because PEPPERONY! No one doubts in their love, and yet Stark FOR YEARS couldn't see a woman in Pepper, despite working with her very closely, and only after very traumatic events he understood that he's attracted to her. People are much more complex than many think, don't put labels on their relationships.

Well, as I said, I would prefer Steve with Wanda, but Stucky actually makes much more sense than Staron, because at least he really loves Bucky for what he is, not because he's related to Peggy.

I'm personally tired of seeing certain fictional characters change just because the creators feel pressured to obliged into the fantasies of an minority group that want to see their fan fiction come to life.

What are you even talking about? Mainstream blockbusters don't have any single main character being even just explicitly bisexual. I'm not even talking about gays.
And I thought America was a tolerate country, Jesus.

 

[Herolee10]

So just because Steve's current romantic interest isn't everyone's favorite (or because Ella from Frozen didn't have a male love interest) it automatically means that he should become gay or bisexual?

 

[Herolee10]

What are you even talking about? Mainstream blockbusters don't have any single main character being even just explicitly bisexual. I'm not even talking about gays.
And I thought America was a tolerate country, Jesus.

I was talking about the comics. Not films.

 

[TalismanRing]

Tony Stark wasn't in love with someone else all those years and then suddenly realized he'd been in love with Pepper all along as well. He probably wasn't even in love with Peppy all along but grew to love her after being friends. The only time Steve could have fallen in love with Bucky is pre ice since post ice/pre Civil War Steve and Bucky only exchanged a couple sentences together punctuated by Bucky trying to murder him.

Pre Ice was the same period he was in love with Peggy. Now he may or could be bisexual but that doesn't mean loving one of each and being incapable of emotional fidelity. It would make more sense to say he fell in love with Sam, Tony or even Fury at least they have relationships post ice.

As for Steve and Sharon, well he has more chemistry with everyone else so yes in that context it makes more sense but still... eh.

 

[Rote]

So just because Steve's current romantic interest isn't everyone's favorite (or because Ella from Frozen didn't have a male love interest) it automatically means that he should become gay or bisexual?

It means that you can't claim that he's definitely heterosexual in canon MCU. That's all. Nothing more, nothing else. Even if Marvel for sure will never go there, because MONEY.

The Russos said, that they are perfectly okay with Stucky interpretation, it doesn't mean that you have to ship it, but why so much hate?

I think that this hashtag just showed that some chunk of the audience is fed up with heterosexual romance, I can understand it, they have seen hetero couples like 100500 times already, nothing about it can surprise now. So they want something fresh. And also, yes, Staron was so poorly handled, that I feel like we're witnessing people's frustration over a painfully shoehorned hetero romance that veered into creepy "no homo" territory.

 

[Herolee10]

The Russos have also gone on the record of stating that they created/see the relationship between Steve and Bucky in the MCU to be that of brothers.

For the record, I'm not against seeing LGBT characters or romances. I just don't approve of turning established heterosexual characters into something else because of fans wanting their fan fiction to come to life or because they can't buy the notion that two guys can be platonic friends/brothers in arms.

 

[MarvelMayhem]

As for Steve and Sharon, well he has more chemistry with everyone else so yes in that context it makes more sense but still... eh.

I could not agree more. No chemistry between the two.

I don't think the MCU will bend to the campaign but if it happens its the least of my concerns. It would be extremely out in left field, since at no time has MCU or cannon Steve given me the impression of bisexual.

 

[StormC]

Did you guys throw this much of a fit when they turned Nick Fury black?

 

[OcStat]

Well considering Ultimate Marvel Team Up had introduced a black Nick Fury about 6 years before the movie, I doubt it.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I am bisexual but that doesn't mean I want cap to be bi...I mean I honestly won't have a problem with the idea but Steve as bisexual or a gay man is not really necessary. I rather see Steve being around women who would want to take him for a ride...I mean...date...dates. lols.

 

[TalismanRing]

 

[Stevie2020]

Point nicely made!

 

[Herolee10]

Forgive me for my ignorance but can someone fill me in on what the significance of that comic strip is?

 

[StormC]

Thank you, I needed this after a lousy work day.

Time to go see CW for the third time!

 

[TalismanRing]

Forgive me for my ignorance but can someone fill me in on what the significance of that comic strip is?

#SayNoToHYDRACap 120K Tweets

 

[Chesterfield]

I don't see any problem with it either. I am ALL for Peggy, Steve clearly loved her, but it doesn't mean Steve can't discover that what he actually feels for Bucky is more romantic than friendship. Why? Because PEPPERONY! No one doubts in their love, and yet Stark FOR YEARS couldn't see a woman in Pepper, despite working with her very closely, and only after very traumatic events he understood that he's attracted to her. People are much more complex than many think, don't put labels on their relationships.

Well, as I said, I would prefer Steve with Wanda, but Stucky actually makes much more sense than Staron, because at least he really loves Bucky for what he is, not because he's related to Peggy.
What are you even talking about? Mainstream blockbusters don't have any single main character being even just explicitly bisexual. I'm not even talking about gays.
And I thought America was a tolerate country, Jesus.

Please...just don't.

 

[OcStat]

It is kind of funny though that the first issue has just come out, and this story won't be over for at least another 4 or 5 months, but everyone is already flipped. Who knows what will actually go down in the upcoming issues.

 

[Xeno]

#SayNoToHYDRACap 120K Tweets

Tom Brevoort and Joe Quesada need to be fired. That **** is sacrilege. Captain America was created by two Jewish artists in direct response to the rise of Hitler, nazism and the Holocaust. Making him a member of nazi analog HYDRA is repugnant and disrespectful, even as a gimmick.

Marvel can make Steve Rogers a HYDRA-loving traitor, yet interpreting him as bisexual is abhorrent to many people for whatever reason. This disgusts me beyond the power of words to fully express.

 

[Xeno]

Please...just don't.

Please don't what? Express an opinion?

How about you don't try to silence anyone?

 

[Schlosser85]

As an openly gay man, I think stuff like this petition is ridiculous.

I get the need for representation and role models, but taking a character who has never been remotely hinted to be anything but heterosexual for 75 years and making him suddenly LGBT is not the way to go. It's cheap pandering.

If you want to read/write Steve/Bucky fanfiction, have at it (hell, I do), but it's fanfiction, not canon.

 

[Xeno]

 

[Raiden]

Tom Brevoort and Joe Quesada need to be fired. That **** is sacrilege. Captain America was created by two Jewish artists in direct response to the rise of Hitler, nazism and the Holocaust. Making him a member of nazi analog HYDRA is repugnant and disrespectful, even as a gimmick.

Marvel can make Steve Rogers a HYDRA-loving traitor, yet interpreting him as bisexual is abhorrent to many people for whatever reason. This disgusts me beyond the power of words to fully express.

Making Steve Rogers a homo or bi sexual goes against what the character has established for 75 years. This is not a case where the sexual orientation is ambiguous so fans make their own interpretation; Rogers has been heterosexual in all his run in the comics and MCU and has had a long romantic relationship with Sharon Carter as well as fling with other female superheroes.

As for Cap turning Hydra, I still think it's just a PR stunt created to draw headlines and controversies in order to sell comics, although it's an extremely poor one at that. In the end, Rogers will be revealed as a double agent or something else to justify his temporary Hydra allegiance, but to do this on his 75th anniversary is just mind-boggling. Now I wish Feige would run the Marvel Comics as well.

 

[Xeno]

As an openly gay man, I think stuff like this petition is ridiculous.

I get the need for representation and role models, but taking a character who has never been remotely hinted to be anything but heterosexual for 75 years and making him suddenly LGBT is not the way to go. It's cheap pandering.

If you want to read/write Steve/Bucky fanfiction, have at it (hell, I do), but it's fanfiction, not canon.

The hashtag specifically refers to the MCU version of Captain America, whose history is radically different from the comic book version. MCU Cap doesn't have a 75 year history of romantic relationships. In fact, he has only had one romance with a woman that never became sexual, and kissed two others. His refusal to date women and sexual inexperience was a running joke in TWS.

The most we can say about Steve's sexuality in the MCU is that he's attracted to women. That's it. Nothing we've been shown rules out the possibility that he's bisexual. The very idea seems to enrage or discomfit a lot of people, but that doesn't mean that it can't be a possible path for the character.

Marvel Studios will never portray Steve or any other major hero as LGBTQ+ so I suppose we can all breathe a sigh of relief. The status quo remains safe. Captain America could be revealed as a member of HYDRA during Infinity Wars, however. That's canon.

 

[kguillou]

The problem is, the writer and the editor are GOING OUT OF THEIR WAY to tell people "this isnt a trick, people, this is happening whether you like it or not." Its to the point where if it DID turn out to be a stunt and they reversed it after 6 issues, it make them look bad for blatantly lying to people just to sell copies.