Infinity War Captain America|Steve Rogers - Chris Evans

[SteveRogers41]

My comment had absolutely nothing to do with what fans like.

Did you watch IW?

That movie is further proof of what I said.

Except that Markus and McFeely said that anyone who wasn't the focus in Infinity War would absolutely be the focus of Avengers 4, name dropping Cap and Widow specifically.

“Some characters were better served in movie 2 after this event,” McFeely explained. “We were making some choices based on some characters we knew were going to leave us at the end of the first movie, so they got highlighted in the first movie. And some who were going to be in the second movie more maybe got less attention or less screentime [in ‘Infinity War’] — I'm thinking of Cap and Natasha, specifically. It's about the story we wanted to tell in movie 2, mostly.”

http://www.ibtimes.com/avengers-4-spoilers-captain-america-black-widow-will-get-bigger-story-2677715

 

[shadowboxxx]

Except that Markus and McFeely said that anyone who wasn't the focus in Infinity War would absolutely be the focus of Avengers 4, name dropping Cap and Widow specifically.



http://www.ibtimes.com/avengers-4-spoilers-captain-america-black-widow-will-get-bigger-story-2677715

My comment also has nothing to do with "focus" or "screentime".

It has everything to do with the storyline.

Have you seen the movie?

 

[SteveRogers41]

My comment also has nothing to do with "focus" or "screentime".

It has everything to do with the storyline.

Have you seen the movie?

I have, yes, three times. I just immensely disagree with you that the entirety of the MCU is Iron Man's story. To even suggest such a thing goes against the massive achievement Kevin Feige has pulled off, and that other studios (WB with DC, Universal with the Monster Universe) have tried and failed to accomplish... a combined, shared universe.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

No doubt Tony has had a lot of spotlight in the MCU but Cap is near his or at the same level in terms of importance. Avengers, WS, CW, the stories he's been a part of he usually drives a lot of the plot or his actions and positions he takes have shaped big parts of the universe one way or another.

 

[SteveRogers41]

My comment also has nothing to do with "focus" or "screentime".

It has everything to do with the storyline.

Have you seen the movie?

Actually, in thinking about this further, if you want to get technical, all things lead to Odin, not Stark. I'll elaborate...

Odin left the tesseract (space stone) on Earth, which Red Skull used to create weapons, giving Axis the advantage in the war, which resulted in motivating Erskine to counter Red Skull with a more perfect model of a super soldier, one for good, aka Steve Rogers.

Odin banished Thor, leading to Thor coming to Earth, leading to Loki taking an interest in Earth. Loki became interested in ruling because he felt it a right denied to him being the adopted and, in his eyes, considered lesser brother, of Thor.

Once again the tesseract, that Odin left on Earth, plays into Avengers 2012. Thor stated that use of the tesseract by SHIELD signaled to the universe that the Earth was ready for a 'higher form of war'. It also attracted the attention of Thanos once SHIELD started using it in much the same way that Red Skull did... aka to build weapons. Thanos gave the mind stone to Loki to use to invade Earth to retrieve the tesseract in exchange for Loki getting Earth to rule. The scepter which housed the mind stone, which ended up on left Earth after the battle of New York, resulted in Wanda, Pietro, Ultron and Vision. None of which would have happened if Odin never left the tesseract on Earth to begin with.

The Asgardians give the reality stone to the Collector on Knowhere.

Asgard protected Earth for centuries. But Odin kept a secret from both his sons. They had a sister. Loki banishes Odin, Odin dies, Hela is released, Asgard falls and there goes one of Earths protections. Roughly the same time Ego weakens Xandar with his antics during GotG 2. And the Ancient One dies. All of this makes everything really freakin' easy for Thanos.

And if the MCU is truly going to make an Eternals movie, in the comics, Odin is responsible for them, too. Thanos is the decedent of the Eternals. The Eternals came to be because the Celestials messed with the gene pool of humanity back when we were just discovering use of our opposable thumbs. The reasons the Celestials did this? Odin wanted a treaty with them, Earth was under his protection at the time, and he offered Earth up to the Celestials for experimentation to get that treaty. The Eternals were the result of that experimentation. They are immortal (thus the 'you should have aimed for my head' line). Thousands of years ago they had a civil war, the losers were banished from earth and settled on Titan.

So, really, if you want to get technical the MCU is not Stark's story but rather the result of Odin.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I think Evans played Nomad Rogers, perfectly in Infinity War . I feel in Avengers 4 he will be restored fully and that can be the bookend finale for Steve Rogers.

 

[shadowboxxx]

I have, yes, three times. I just immensely disagree with you that the entirety of the MCU is Iron Man's story. To even suggest such a thing goes against the massive achievement Kevin Feige has pulled off, and that other studios (WB with DC, Universal with the Monster Universe) have tried and failed to accomplish... a combined, shared universe.

What Im saying goes against what Feige accomplished?

No I dont think so.

I dont make the storyline choices.

They decided to link Tony to almost everyone else. Not me.

They even linked to friggin Thanos for some reason.

Im pointing out the obvious and you out railing against it for no good reason.

 

[RoastBeast]

Actually, in thinking about this further, if you want to get technical, all things lead to Odin, not Stark. I'll elaborate...

Odin left the tesseract (space stone) on Earth, which Red Skull used to create weapons, giving Axis the advantage in the war, which resulted in motivating Erskine to counter Red Skull with a more perfect model of a super soldier, one for good, aka Steve Rogers.

Odin banished Thor, leading to Thor coming to Earth, leading to Loki taking an interest in Earth. Loki became interested in ruling because he felt it a right denied to him being the adopted and, in his eyes, considered lesser brother, of Thor.

Once again the tesseract, that Odin left on Earth, plays into Avengers 2012. Thor stated that use of the tesseract by SHIELD signaled to the universe that the Earth was ready for a 'higher form of war'. It also attracted the attention of Thanos once SHIELD started using it in much the same way that Red Skull did... aka to build weapons. Thanos gave the mind stone to Loki to use to invade Earth to retrieve the tesseract in exchange for Loki getting Earth to rule. The scepter which housed the mind stone, which ended up on left Earth after the battle of New York, resulted in Wanda, Pietro, Ultron and Vision. None of which would have happened if Odin never left the tesseract on Earth to begin with.

The Asgardians give the reality stone to the Collector on Knowhere.

Asgard protected Earth for centuries. But Odin kept a secret from both his sons. They had a sister. Loki banishes Odin, Odin dies, Hela is released, Asgard falls and there goes one of Earths protections. Roughly the same time Ego weakens Xandar with his antics during GotG 2. And the Ancient One dies. All of this makes everything really freakin' easy for Thanos.

And if the MCU is truly going to make an Eternals movie, in the comics, Odin is responsible for them, too. Thanos is the decedent of the Eternals. The Eternals came to be because the Celestials messed with the gene pool of humanity back when we were just discovering use of our opposable thumbs. The reasons the Celestials did this? Odin wanted a treaty with them, Earth was under his protection at the time, and he offered Earth up to the Celestials for experimentation to get that treaty. The Eternals were the result of that experimentation. They are immortal (thus the 'you should have aimed for my head' line). Thousands of years ago they had a civil war, the losers were banished from earth and settled on Titan.

So, really, if you want to get technical the MCU is not Stark's story but rather the result of Odin.

You could probably add Stormbreaker into this somewhere, as it was meant for Asgard but its construction was interrupted (of course, that could have been commissioned under Pseud-Odin's reign)-- at the last, everything goes back to Asgard, you're right!

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think Evans played Nomad Rogers, perfectly in Infinity War . I feel in Avengers 4 he will be restored fully and that can be the bookend finale for Steve Rogers.

I just want him to live and be Captain America when Avengers 4 ends, LOL!!!! So I hope that is how it ends for him!

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Getting the shield back from Tony is a must scene.

 

[shadowboxxx]

Actually, in thinking about this further, if you want to get technical, all things lead to Odin, not Stark. I'll elaborate...

Odin left the tesseract (space stone) on Earth, which Red Skull used to create weapons, giving Axis the advantage in the war, which resulted in motivating Erskine to counter Red Skull with a more perfect model of a super soldier, one for good, aka Steve Rogers.

Odin banished Thor, leading to Thor coming to Earth, leading to Loki taking an interest in Earth. Loki became interested in ruling because he felt it a right denied to him being the adopted and, in his eyes, considered lesser brother, of Thor.

Once again the tesseract, that Odin left on Earth, plays into Avengers 2012. Thor stated that use of the tesseract by SHIELD signaled to the universe that the Earth was ready for a 'higher form of war'. It also attracted the attention of Thanos once SHIELD started using it in much the same way that Red Skull did... aka to build weapons. Thanos gave the mind stone to Loki to use to invade Earth to retrieve the tesseract in exchange for Loki getting Earth to rule. The scepter which housed the mind stone, which ended up on left Earth after the battle of New York, resulted in Wanda, Pietro, Ultron and Vision. None of which would have happened if Odin never left the tesseract on Earth to begin with.

The Asgardians give the reality stone to the Collector on Knowhere.

Asgard protected Earth for centuries. But Odin kept a secret from both his sons. They had a sister. Loki banishes Odin, Odin dies, Hela is released, Asgard falls and there goes one of Earths protections. Roughly the same time Ego weakens Xandar with his antics during GotG 2. And the Ancient One dies. All of this makes everything really freakin' easy for Thanos.

And if the MCU is truly going to make an Eternals movie, in the comics, Odin is responsible for them, too. Thanos is the decedent of the Eternals. The Eternals came to be because the Celestials messed with the gene pool of humanity back when we were just discovering use of our opposable thumbs. The reasons the Celestials did this? Odin wanted a treaty with them, Earth was under his protection at the time, and he offered Earth up to the Celestials for experimentation to get that treaty. The Eternals were the result of that experimentation. They are immortal (thus the 'you should have aimed for my head' line). Thousands of years ago they had a civil war, the losers were banished from earth and settled on Titan.

So, really, if you want to get technical the MCU is not Stark's story but rather the result of Odin.

You just wrote the story of the Infinity stones, not the MCU.

I think its time that I ask... What do you have against Tony?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Getting the shield back from Tony is a must scene.

[blackout]Oh yeah, that is happening no doubt. I am just crossing my fingers that Cap makes it out of Avengers 4 alive, LOL! [/blackout]

 

[parkerpete]

No doubt Tony has had a lot of spotlight in the MCU but Cap is near his or at the same level in terms of importance. Avengers, WS, CW, the stories he's been a part of he usually drives a lot of the plot or his actions and positions he takes have shaped big parts of the universe one way or another.

Maybe I'm biased because I prefer Cap to Tony, but I think Cap has maybe eclipsed Iron Man as a fan favorite. Yes, RDJ is the bedrock of Marvel. Yes, Iron Man is the biggest international star and most well-known to general audiences. But I have a feeling that for the more-than-casual fans, Cap is the real heart of the MCU.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Maybe I'm biased because I prefer Cap to Tony, but I think Cap has maybe eclipsed Iron Man as a fan favorite. Yes, RDJ is the bedrock of Marvel. Yes, Iron Man is the biggest international star and most well-known to general audiences. But I have a feeling that for the more-than-casual fans, Cap is the real heart of the MCU.

It's still Iron Man at this point. I think Cap is very popular, but I think the BO trends have spoken, LOL.

 

[SteveRogers41]

You just wrote the story of the Infinity stones, not the MCU.

I think its time that I ask... What do you have against Tony?

The infinity stones are the driving force behind three phases.

I have nothing against Tony. I mean I don’t love him like I do Steve or Thor or T’Challa but he’s in my top ten. I’m just not convinced he’s a singular force out of what I consider to be an ensemble universe.

 

[SteveRogers41]

Maybe I'm biased because I prefer Cap to Tony, but I think Cap has maybe eclipsed Iron Man as a fan favorite. Yes, RDJ is the bedrock of Marvel. Yes, Iron Man is the biggest international star and most well-known to general audiences. But I have a feeling that for the more-than-casual fans, Cap is the real heart of the MCU.

I think you’re right. At least by merch and social media mentions Cap seems to come out ahead.

 

[SteveRogers41]

What Im saying goes against what Feige accomplished?

No I dont think so.

I dont make the storyline choices.

They decided to link Tony to almost everyone else. Not me.

They even linked to friggin Thanos for some reason.

Im pointing out the obvious and you out railing against it for no good reason.

You’re trying to make a single player into a solo lead and I disagree with that assessment. I’m not setting out to personally insult you, I simply disagree that the entirety of the MCU revolves around Stark.

 

[Iceman]

I think Evans played Nomad Rogers, perfectly in Infinity War . I feel in Avengers 4 he will be restored fully and that can be the bookend finale for Steve Rogers.

That would be a big uplifting moment if we see traditional Cap come back, especially if Iron Man gives him back the shield after they resolve their issues.

 

[The Caped Knight]

That would be a big uplifting moment if we see traditional Cap come back, especially if Iron Man gives him back the shield after they resolve their issues.

I get a sense that Steve will reclaim his shield, Tony won’t give it back to him.

 

[MaceB]

I get a sense that Steve will reclaim his shield, Tony won’t give it back to him.

I feel like Tony has to give it back to Steve in order for it to be legitimate. If Steve just takes back the shield, it'd be like stealing. He needs Tony to forgive him, and to give back his father's shield willingly.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I get a sense that Steve will reclaim his shield, Tony won’t give it back to him.

What gives you that impression exactly?

 

[warhorse78]

I get a sense that Steve will reclaim his shield, Tony won’t give it back to him.

I think the fact that Tony just lost someone he cared about, right in his arms, will make him come to terms with his anger and jealousy of Steve (most likely a feeling that was brought on by Howard Stark) and reform a true friendship and bond with Steve, and give him back the shield.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Was the rift about jealousy at all though? Seems it was about a sense of betrayal.

 

[KevTravels]

will they even refer to him as Nomad in the next film?

 

[godisawesome]

No doubt Tony has had a lot of spotlight in the MCU but Cap is near his or at the same level in terms of importance. Avengers, WS, CW, the stories he's been a part of he usually drives a lot of the plot or his actions and positions he takes have shaped big parts of the universe one way or another.

I'm with you; Cap has generally been more on the rise in terms of appeal and importance, though not necessarily in a manner where you can say that he eclipses Tony or that Tony eclipsed him. Tony is still kind of the heart of the MCU, while Steve's more the backbone and conscience.

Tony gets the paternal relationship with Peter Parker, and gets the more emotional and arguably somewhat wilder and more mercurial portrayal in general: creating Ultron, backing the Sokovia Accords when he was arguably the biggest rebel of the group originally, fighting Cap and Bucky out of anger. Cap, on the other hand, is the more stolid and convicted character, with perhaps a bit less emotional dynamism from film to film, but with his willpower and wisdom constantly emphasized: uncovering Hydra's infiltration, almost navigating his way out of Civil War, leading the Secret Avengers and allying with Black Panther.

Their storyline's in Infinity War kind if emphasize this:

Spoiler

Tony is stuck with a slapdash alliance of heroes where even though he's a major player he's not really the leader (Quill and Strange both match him for command), with emotional turmoil Emphasized thanks to Quill's sorrow leading to a mistake and a more drawn out tragic death for Spider-Man in Tony's arms, while Cap leads a very cohesive and focused alliance with T'Challa as his equal, and with his determination emphasized again, and in constrast to Tony getting the more drawn out tragedy, Steve gets some more intellectual horror moments and the last line.

They're nuanced equals.