Infinity War Captain America|Steve Rogers - Chris Evans

[Donner]

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It seems to be setting up a Cap dying in A4 with Bucky as the frontrunner to take over the shield. Which is really sad, but I guess it has to be either Cap or Tony and maybe they'll give Tony the happy ending with Pepper. I hope Cap survives, though.

 

[marcvader]

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I'm thinking both Cap and Tony are goners for sure in A4.

 

[warhorse78]

That old guy is letting his fantasies come to the forefront of his mind.
He's 100, probably thinks guys and gals can't be platonic.

I always viewed Cap and Nat as having a sort of sibling relationship.

Same here. Their relationship I find very similar to Harry's and Hermione.

 

[Saturius]

I don't see them as a sibling like relationship at all. Just close colleagues really.

 

[Frodo]

I didn't read that, either. I can kind of see maybe why they thought it, but I don't agree with that assessment.

Me neither. I mean , I've only seen it once , so I don't remember every little nuance, but I would have noticed something like that.

I didn't pick up anything other than they were partners and buddies.

The [BLACKOUT]Thor/Gamora physical attraction [/BLACKOUT] was much more apparent imo. Lol.

 

[sueb1863]

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I will be stunned if Steve survives IW2. I think they'll let Tony survive and marry Pepper, but Steve I think is a goner. They'll have Bucky take up the shield and ride off with Sam to fight on in Steve's memory.

 

[007]

Tony only needs to carry on because of the visions and what happened in avengers 1 haunt him.

Steve needs it because he's never known any other way of life and thats why he will be the one to go.

 

[ohiostate124]

So, the half of the Collider Heroes panal seemed to think that[BLACKOUT] Steve and Nat where an item in IW.[/BLACKOUT].

I really didn't get that vibe at all. Did anybody else get that vibe ?

Before the movie, I thought that as well. They’d been on the run for 2 years or something doing nothing but fighting. It doesn’t seem far fetched that they could find some comfort in each other. They got pretty close in Winter Soldier. Maybe they built on that while they’ve been hiding together. Collider brought up Falcon’s "awkward" line as possibly referring to the whole situation and not just Nat and Banner seeing each other again. It makes more sense the more I think about it. I think it’s about a 50/50 shot.

 

[Frodo]

Before the movie, I thought that as well. They’d been on the run for 2 years or something doing nothing but fighting. It doesn’t seem far fetched that they could find some comfort in each other. They got pretty close in Winter Soldier. Maybe they built on that while they’ve been hiding together. Collider brought up Falcon’s "awkward" line as possibly referring to the whole situation and not just Nat and Banner seeing each other again. It makes more sense the more I think about it. I think it’s about a 50/50 shot.

Well, to be clear, I'm not saying that I don't think they couldn't be an item. I just didn't get that impression, vibe , or hint from the actors performance in IW that they were.

I thought the "awkward" line had to do with the Nat and Banner reunion as opposed to there being a potential triangle of sorts.

I never got the impression of a romantic , emotional connection, especially since Steve and Sharon were a thing in CW.

But yeah, its been two years, and its certainly possible they could be an item and we just haven't seen it, but nothing in IW made me jump to that conclusion. It never even occurred to me till the Collider review.

 

[KevTravels]

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It seems to be setting up a Cap dying in A4 with Bucky as the frontrunner to take over the shield. Which is really sad, but I guess it has to be either Cap or Tony and maybe they'll give Tony the happy ending with Pepper. I hope Cap survives, though.

I find it hard to occur if he has so little screentime in A4.

If you went to the bathroom, you'd have missed Bucky in this.

 

[rashad]

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Cap was a bit subdued in the film. He wasn't very talkative and was often staring off into the distance a few times. Purposely I know, in terms of screentime.

Does anyone else think some part of Cap feels a little regret for his actions in Civil War? When he gets the call from Banner he doesn't know if Tony's still alive. The fact the Avengers weren't on a united front in Earth's biggest crisis has to be on his mind.

 

[warhorse78]

Before the movie, I thought that as well. They’d been on the run for 2 years or something doing nothing but fighting. It doesn’t seem far fetched that they could find some comfort in each other. They got pretty close in Winter Soldier. Maybe they built on that while they’ve been hiding together. Collider brought up Falcon’s "awkward" line as possibly referring to the whole situation and not just Nat and Banner seeing each other again. It makes more sense the more I think about it. I think it’s about a 50/50 shot.

Personally, I think that line was just a jab from the Russo brothers with what was many of the problems we had with AOU.

 

[Flash525]

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It seems to be setting up a Cap dying in A4 with Bucky as the frontrunner to take over the shield. Which is really sad, but I guess it has to be either Cap or Tony and maybe they'll give Tony the happy ending with Pepper. I hope Cap survives, though.

Where has this come from? I've seen the film, and I didn't remotely get that impression, so if there's more to it, I'd love to know where from.

 

[warhorse78]

Where has this come from? I've seen the film, and I didn't remotely get that impression, so if there's more to it, I'd love to know where from.

It's just presumptions. I personally can't see Bucky taking up the Captain America mantle either. No disrespect to Sebastian Stan, but I just don't see him as leading man material, or at least not with a Steve Roger's kind of personality. He shines the best when he plays quirky and crazy characters like he did in Once Upon a Time as the Mad Hatter.

Now, I see Sam taking up the mantle. He has the personality and drive, and has been loyal to Steve the moment they became comrades. His only hindrance, he doesn't have super soldier serum... But with the time stone, or a combination of Banner and Shuri's brains at work, and that shouldn't be a problem no more.

 

[Flash525]

It's just presumptions. I personally can't see Bucky taking up the Captain America mantle either. No disrespect to Sebastian Stan, but I just don't see him as leading man material, or at least not with a Steve Roger's kind of personality. He shines the best when he plays quirky and crazy characters like he did in Once Upon a Time as the Mad Hatter.

Now, I see Sam taking up the mantle. He has the personality and drive, and has been loyal to Steve the moment they became comrades. His only hindrance, he doesn't have super soldier serum... But with the time stone, or a combination of Banner and Shuri's brains at work, and that shouldn't be a problem no more.

That figures!

In any case, I don't think either Sam, nor Bucky will (or even need too) take up the mantle. If Captain Marvel is leading the team moving forward - which she likely will do, then the idea of someone else named Captain America simply seem pointless.

Going into the next phase, I suspect the Avengers used will be gifted either with special abilities, or superior technological advancements, so it'll be less Tasha, Clint & Sam, and more Wanda (magic), T'Challa (tech) and Paker (abilities).

 

[warhorse78]

That figures!

In any case, I don't think either Sam, nor Bucky will (or even need too) take up the mantle. If Captain Marvel is leading the team moving forward - which she likely will do, then the idea of someone else named Captain America simply seem pointless.

Going into the next phase, I suspect the Avengers used will be gifted either with special abilities, or superior technological advancements, so it'll be less Tasha, Clint & Sam, and more Wanda (magic), T'Challa (tech) and Paker (abilities).

But with Disney buying out Fox, how long will we have Captain Marvel until a little southern belle touches her, and takes her powers and memories?

Or what if the movie going audience rejects Captain Marvel?

 

[Flash525]

But with Disney buying out Fox, how long will we have Captain Marvel until a little southern belle touches her, and takes her powers and memories? Or what if the movie going audience rejects Captain Marvel?

Both Captain Marvel, and the Infinity War sequel have already been filmed, so at this point, the answers to those posed questions seem redundant because someone has already made the decision regarding Steve Rogers in the sequel.

I figure, if Captain Marvel doesn't draw the audience, they can potentially replace her later down the line with another character. Either way though, I don't see the Captain America title being utilized beyond the Infinity War sequel. Live, Die, or Retire, that mantle wont continue I don't think.

Captain America meant something when he was pumped full of a serum, he was a bacon of hope and inspiration to the people of America during a time of war. If we're suddenly dealing with cosmic threats, then a global beacon is needed, and whilst it's true that Steve Rogers could still be that beacon, he can drop the Captain America title. We've further got an ample number of other Avengers that could also function as said beacon too; especially when you consider that (as far as the public go) Steve Rogers is an outlaw now, wanted for breaking the law etc.

 

[warhorse78]

Both Captain Marvel, and the Infinity War sequel have already been filmed, so at this point, the answers to those posed questions seem redundant because someone has already made the decision regarding Steve Rogers in the sequel.

I figure, if Captain Marvel doesn't draw the audience, they can potentially replace her later down the line with another character. Either way though, I don't see the Captain America title being utilized beyond the Infinity War sequel. Live, Die, or Retire, that mantle wont continue I don't think.

Captain America meant something when he was pumped full of a serum, he was a bacon of hope and inspiration to the people of America during a time of war. If we're suddenly dealing with cosmic threats, then a global beacon is needed, and whilst it's true that Steve Rogers could still be that beacon, he can drop the Captain America title. We've further got an ample number of other Avengers that could also function as said beacon too; especially when you consider that (as far as the public go) Steve Rogers is an outlaw now, wanted for breaking the law etc.

So basically, Marvel has to get rid of anything that is pro American, to appeal to a world wide audience. And for the record, Steve was an outlaw for the same reasons the fighters of the revolutionary war were considered outlaws by the British. They stood for something, which was individual freedoms, and the fact that Steve didn't want to sign some piece of paper that was oozing in red tape dictating what people with power can and cannot do with their powers, makes him more of a hero in my eyes. Looks like Rhodes has finally come around and started to see things through Cap's eyes, so even if he does die, I hope his legacy lives on. But to be honest, I think he will [BLACKOUT]be given the duty of being a keeper of the soul stone in end, like Red Skull was, if you know what I mean. I'm not sure how it will pan out, but I think all those who disintegrated were actually trapped in the soul stone, and it's going to take someone to be taken by the soul stone, know how to open the door to let the other souls out, but in turn, that one soul has to stay back to close the door, and I see Steve being the one to make that kind of sacrifice [/BLACKOUT]

 

[sueb1863]

I think they've been setting Steve up to ultimately sacrifice himself since that scene in "The First Avenger" where he threw himself onto a grenade to save everybody else in his training squad, who were running away in panic. The grenade was a dud, but he didn't know that. I think we'll see that instinct play out completely in IW2.

 

[Flash525]

So basically, Marvel has to get rid of anything that is pro American, to appeal to a world wide audience. And for the record, Steve was an outlaw for the same reasons the fighters of the revolutionary war were considered outlaws by the British. They stood for something, which was individual freedoms, and the fact that Steve didn't want to sign some piece of paper that was oozing in red tape dictating what people with power can and cannot do with their powers, makes him more of a hero in my eyes. Looks like Rhodes has finally come around and started to see things through Cap's eyes, so even if he does die, I hope his legacy lives on. But to be honest, I think he will [BLACKOUT]be given the duty of being a keeper of the soul stone in end, like Red Skull was, if you know what I mean. I'm not sure how it will pan out, but I think all those who disintegrated were actually trapped in the soul stone, and it's going to take someone to be taken by the soul stone, know how to open the door to let the other souls out, but in turn, that one soul has to stay back to close the door, and I see Steve being the one to make that kind of sacrifice [/BLACKOUT]

Wow, whey to read far too much into a comment dude...

The governing bodies of the world wanted the Avengers in check, thus we had the Sokovia Accords. It wasn't just the governments of the world that wanted the Avengers in check, but likely elements of the public eye too, otherwise they're just vigilantes.

[blackout]Regarding your speculation though; you mean similar to how the Speedforce (CW's Flash) required a Speedster? You could be on to something, although the Soul Stone didn't require a soul to exist before, so why should it do afterwards? It's a shame we didn't get to see what the Soul Stone actually does in the MCU; Thanos used all the other stones with exception of the Soul Stone.

Either way, Rogers or no Rogers, I don't see the mantle of Captain America making it into Phase 4.[/blackout]

 

[Spider-Fan]

[blackout]It's going to be either Cap or Tony in A4, I would agree. My money is still on Iron Man. The vision in AoU tells me he has to "do more" in order to prevent the others from dying. Doing more for me means, he dies. Besides, if this ends up being RDJ's last ride, I cannot think of a more epic way to go out. I think Cap will move into more of a mentor role going forward. One that will allow Evans to either retire or comeback much less frequently so he can pursue other projects as well.[/blackout]

 

[The Caped Knight]

Spoiler

Cap was a bit subdued in the film. He wasn't very talkative and was often staring off into the distance a few times. Purposely I know, in terms of screentime.

Does anyone else think some part of Cap feels a little regret for his actions in Civil War? When he gets the call from Banner he doesn't know if Tony's still alive. The fact the Avengers weren't on a united front in Earth's biggest crisis has to be on his mind.

Spoiler

I think the character is kinda reeling from all of it and ultimately he is forced to retake a mantle he doesn't feel he wants. However I feel in Avengers 4, Cap will return as a force to be reckoned with

 

[Spider-Fan]

Spoiler

Cap was a bit subdued in the film. He wasn't very talkative and was often staring off into the distance a few times. Purposely I know, in terms of screentime.

Does anyone else think some part of Cap feels a little regret for his actions in Civil War? When he gets the call from Banner he doesn't know if Tony's still alive. The fact the Avengers weren't on a united front in Earth's biggest crisis has to be on his mind.

[blackout]
I think that will be a big part of his arc in Avengers 4, and he will seek to redeem himself by reuniting the Avengers once again in order to combat Thanos.
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[The Caped Knight]

[blackout]
I think that will be a big part of his arc in Avengers 4, and he will seek to redeem himself by reuniting the Avengers once again in order to combat Thanos.
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Agreed,

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[blackout]I think their saving the roll call battlecry : Avengers Assemble in Avengers 4[/blackout]

 

[Jake_Snake]

Both Captain Marvel, and the Infinity War sequel have already been filmed, so at this point, the answers to those posed questions seem redundant because someone has already made the decision regarding Steve Rogers in the sequel.

I figure, if Captain Marvel doesn't draw the audience, they can potentially replace her later down the line with another character. Either way though, I don't see the Captain America title being utilized beyond the Infinity War sequel. Live, Die, or Retire, that mantle wont continue I don't think.

Captain America meant something when he was pumped full of a serum, he was a bacon of hope and inspiration to the people of America during a time of war. If we're suddenly dealing with cosmic threats, then a global beacon is needed, and whilst it's true that Steve Rogers could still be that beacon, he can drop the Captain America title. We've further got an ample number of other Avengers that could also function as said beacon too; especially when you consider that (as far as the public go) Steve Rogers is an outlaw now, wanted for breaking the law etc.

hmmm bacon