Captain Marvel Captain Marvel General Discussion and Speculation - Part 7

[JtheDreamer]

I don't doubt that somewhere on the internet people are being sexist about Captain Marvel, but I'm not about to go accusing people of having an intent I can't prove. All the "I reckon" or "I suspect" that can be offered isn't going to sway me.

Now could we just discuss the movie?

No, they can't. Welcome to the new world man. This happens in almost every online disagreement out there.

 

[Fincher]

This, Like, am I one of the only ones who didn't see that line as serious? She's using simple terms in a dry, humorous way. We do it all the time. It's not like "noble warrior hero" is the actual title she came up with for herself.

I read the heroes line as humor. But that's kind of the thing. It doesn't read as brainwashing or her personality being sucked out, and I doesn't read as unconvincing acting to me, either. You can say that trailers aren't a lot to go on, but going by the trailers I feel like they give me a sense of who this character is, and it's a sort of person who actually exists, but it's not someone I find appealing and want to see movies made about.

That's not unique; I found Bruce Banner annoying in Age of Ultron and don't suppose he got better after that, and that's part of why I didn't want him having anything to do with Black Widow. I liked Tom Holland as Peter in Civil War but didn't enjoy his Spider-Man at all. But when I'm interested in a movie like Captain Marvel, and the trailers aren't as good as I thought they would be, and the main reason is that the main character isn't coming across well, whether or not that can be laid at the feet of Brie Larson, it's worth noting.

 

[Travesty]

My quote is not appearing in my posts for some reason, so I have to do this:
@Travesty

That is not what I asked you for, bro. I said, when did I say other trailers don't get nitpicked? When did I ever stake that claim? I never did. Now, on the smile front, yes I forgot about Cavill Superman. But once again, answer the question you were asked, not what you WISH you were asked

lol, you're literally not making any sense. I just did this for you. I mean, it's on the last page. You can just scroll up and see the things you said. Let me do this again. (this is now the third time I'm quoting you saying this. In fact, my initial post was quoting this. It's not hard to see what you wrote)


Your question: when did I say other trailers don't get bashed for XYZ?

You:

It's not the fact that people are nitpicking her for me, it's some of the reasons. She isn't smiling enough is a stupid complaint. That rings of sexism to me. I have never seen that complaint for any other CBM ever, and I have seen many smileless trailers. Why does she NEED to smile? Also, I have seen plenty on here complain about her physique and body structure. Again, that is sexist. She doesn't need to be a Maxim 10 model with giant boobs to play this character. Sorry. Not saying anyone on here said that recently or anything, but it is something I have seen many times on the interweb about this movie. So I do think there is an element of sexism against her that male actors don't get nearly as bad.

I mean, you are talking about specific nitpicks, even specifying CBM trailers in general, and then turn around, and try to tell me you never said this. The weird part, is again, you said, "I've never seen these complaints for any other CMB ever", and then we've given you 2 examples to prove you wrong, and then you turn around AGAIN, and say it's different. First, it's "I've never seen it for CBMs ever", to then, "well, it happens sometimes, but it's worse for women", to now telling me you never said any of these things. I dunno man, you're literally not making any sense. You seem very rash and emotional here. You keep flip-flopping or outright lying, and I can't keep up with your posts. You're all over the place right now.

 

[LoganGambit87]

i was quite underwhelmed nothing about this film or trailer feels fresh or unique it just feels like another marvel film that just happens to have a female lead

it doesn't have the iconic this is gonna be special feel i got from wonder woman

 

[THORin]

i was quite underwhelmed nothing about this film or trailer feels fresh or unique it just feels like another marvel film that just happens to have a female lead

it doesn't have the iconic this is gonna be special feel i got from wonder woman

Well, nothing will ever compare to Wonder Woman. That was a once in a lifetime miracle that will probably never be paralleled.

 

[Spider-Fan]

lol, you're literally not making any sense. I just did this for you. I mean, it's on this very page. You can just scroll up and see the things you said. Let me do this again. (this is now the third time I'm quoting you saying this. In fact, my initial post was quoting this. It's not hard to see what you wrote)


Your question: when did I say other trailers don't get bashed for XYZ?

You:

I mean, you are talking about specific nitpicks, even specifying CBM trailers in general, and then turn around, and try to tell me you never said this. The weird part, is again, you said, "you've never seen these complaints for any other CMB ever", and then we've given you 2 examples to prove you wrong, and then you turn around AGAIN, and say it's different. First, it's "I've never seen it for CBMs ever", to then, "well, it happens sometimes, but it's worse for women", to now telling me you never said any of these things. I dunno man, you're literally not making any sense. You seem very rash and emotional here. You keep flip-flopping or outright lying, and I can't keep up with your posts. You're all over the place right now.

Saying "I have never seen THAT complaint" doesn't equal "People don't complain about trailers." Those are 2 very different things, bro. I asked you to show where I said "People don't nitpick trailers." Again, I never once stated this is the only trailer with nitpicks in the history of ever. That was my point. when I asked you to show me where I said that. You're not reading hard enough since you just did it again.

So yes, you provided me an example that slipped my mind for the smile (and I am granting you that point) and for the physique of Bane. But again, and this bears repeating, I never said other trailers don't get nitpicked ever. I also never said male actors NEVER get hit for their physique and such. I said they don't as bad. Again, different argument.

 

[JB33]

I read the heroes line as humor. But that's kind of the thing. It doesn't read as brainwashing or her personality being sucked out, and I doesn't read as unconvincing acting to me, either. You can say that trailers aren't a lot to go on, but going by the trailers I feel like they give me a sense of who this character is, and it's a sort of person who actually exists, but it's not someone I find appealing and want to see movies made about.

That's not unique; I found Bruce Banner annoying in Age of Ultron and don't suppose he got better after that, and that's part of why I didn't want him having anything to do with Black Widow. I liked Tom Holland as Peter in Civil War but didn't enjoy his Spider-Man at all. But when I'm interested in a movie like Captain Marvel, and the trailers aren't as good as I thought they would be, and the main reason is that the main character isn't coming across well, whether or not that can be laid at the feet of Brie Larson, it's worth noting.

That's totally fair. I genuinely hope you end up enjoying the movie though. The trailers didn't blow me away either but I'm still excited for it as the pivotal next chapter in the MCU (I think it will not only lead into Avengers 4 but also be the springboard for the larger MCU story moving forward).

 

[TheGDBatman]

Well, nothing will ever compare to Wonder Woman. That was a once in a lifetime miracle that will probably never be paralleled.

I'm not sure why some of you are being so defensive. You're allowed to love the look of the movie, just like people are allowed to critique it. Embrace your interest for it, and ignore the naysayers. Trying to combat every person on here who isn't wowed by the trailer must be awfully exhausting.

 

[BoredGuy]

People complained about Cavill not smiling?? That's crazy, never saw that
I saw plenty of "This movie is dour and completely joyless" and "the dark tone of this film doesn't match the usually upbeat Superman"
but I never heard anyone lay it at the feet of him not smiling enough. Hmm. Well, thats a weird complaint, whether male or female. Especially after only seeing the trailers.

 

[Flint Marko]

I don't doubt that somewhere on the internet people are being sexist about Captain Marvel, but I'm not about to go accusing people of having an intent I can't prove. All the "I reckon" or "I suspect" that can be offered isn't going to sway me.

Now could we just discuss the movie?

Yeah this is where I'm at as well. Thankfully no one here has been sexist in this discussion so far, but I do think it's interesting how her performance is proving somewhat divisive. I don't know if that's ever happened with a Marvel lead before.

I think part of the problem is that they're deliberately showing us almost nothing about this woman beyond shots of her looking awesome and brief glimpses at her backstory. I'm largely unfamiliar with the character from the comics and I still feel like I don't know her from the trailers, but I think that's very much intentional. "I had a life here...."

 

[I Am The Knight]

This thread is going nuclear.

 

[JB33]

People complained about Cavill not smiling?? That's weird, never saw that
I saw plenty of "This movie is dour and completely joyless" and "the dark tone of this film doesn't match the usually upbeat Superman"
but I never heard anyone lay it at the feet of him not smiling enough. Hmm. Well, thats a weird complaint, whether male or female.

It really is. Some people...

 

[Abudefduf]

While I don't doubt that women get it worse than men, that doesn't mean that men don't go through anything at all.

Yeah but for some reason I've never found myself arguing with people that no, it isn't right to say that a male actor can't play a certain character because he's too ugly or his dick/butt isn't big enough.

BTW, ppl complained about Tom Hardy's accent in Venom for like 9 straigh months, and his expressions, and the lines delivery and even the way he walked, but if someone say something negative about Brie Larson is because they are sexist... please.

Yes, that's exactly what is going on here. I'm calling everyone who is being critical of Larson's acting, myself included, sexist. That's what I'm doing right now.

OR! I was trying to argue that a lot of the criticism that I'm seeing around is not genuine, before some of you decided - for some reason - that I was making personal attacks on you. Whatever, guys.

Let's get back on topic. Goose is practically confirmed to be a flerken. Can't wait to see her eat some Skrulls.

 

[MbJ]

There are gonna be two junior novels for the film that are prequels; one is about Carol's time in the Air Force with Maria Rambeau and the other is going to be during the Kree-Skrull War, and apparently involves the Nova Corps from Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

[The Shape]

Call me crazy, but I thought the first trailer was a lot better and more intriguing.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I just don't buy Brie as a bad ass superhero so far. The physical action aspect of her character isn't working for me. I was meant to cheer or feel something as she flew into space in the last shot, but felt nothing. There are some very good actors and actresses who simply don't have that ''action presence'' that is needed in some scenes. This happens to me with Scarjo as BW, but had no issue with Tessa Thompson kicking ass or Gurira as Okoye. Eh.

 

[The Infernal]

Anyone else think he looks a bit like a Guyver?

 

[Iceman]

There are gonna be two junior novels for the film that are prequels; one is about Carol's time in the Air Force with Maria Rambeau and the other is going to be during the Kree-Skrull War, and apparently involves the Nova Corps from Guardians of the Galaxy.

Nice. Will look out for those. I like the covers.

 

[Travesty]

I asked you to show where I said "People don't nitpick trailers." Again, I never once stated this is the only trailer with nitpicks in the history of ever. That was my point. when I asked you to show me where I said that. You're not reading hard enough since you just did it again.

So yes, you provided me an example that slipped my mind for the smile (and I am granting you that point) and for the physique of Bane. But again, and this bears repeating, I never said other trailers don't get nitpicked ever. I also never said male actors NEVER get hit for their physique and such. I said they don't as bad. Again, different argument.

lol, dude, you need to seriously read what you wrote, read my response, go back and read what you wrote again, and then apply my original comment to your post that I quoted. This is literally what happened:

You: This is sexist! I have never seen that complaint for any other CBM ever, and I have seen many smileless trailers. *your examples are about smiling and her body

Me: This isn't sexist. To act like people don't tear apart trailers for other movies is just a silly thing to say. *gives multiple examples about smiling and male bodies

You: Please repost where I said that other trailers don't get bashed for XYZ in my post please? Because I know I never did, so nice strawman

Me: (*shows you what you wrote about other CBM trailers again)

You: That is not what I asked you for, bro. I said, when did I say other trailers don't get nitpicked?


lol, do you not see the problem here? You start off by saying you've never seen these types of complaints for other CBMs ever. This is apparently your proof of sexism. I then show you examples to counter your claims, and tell you it's a silly notion. You then claim I'm starwmanning you, and ask for "proof" of what you said. I show you what you just said. Then, you obfuscate, and say that's not what you asked for, you then changed it to "where did I say trailers don't get nitpicked"(even though that was never the exact point of contention). I then explain in detail, and you come back, and continue to hammer down the "nitpick" point, when again, that was never the point to begin with. You're not making any sense, as you keep doubling down. This went from "this is sexist", and me countering it, to then you talking about how this is supposedly all about people nitpicking trailers. Bizarre.

 

[LoganGambit87]

re watching trailer i think i think i know my problem with brie larson she has absolutely no charisma in this role i hope i am proven wrong and honestly she looks bored

 

[Marvolo]

I don't think that's entirely due to gender but it is weird how Brie is seemingly under a microscope here. She's playing a character that is discovering her past alongside the audience, but that's seemingly not coming into consideration here.



I look forward to the next Superman trailer in which you will expound on how ridiculous it is that no one recognizes Clark without his glasses.

Oh no need to wait I've hated that stupid **** for years. MOS almost avoided until the past minute because of fan service.

 

[Flint Marko]

*gives multiple examples about smiling and male bodies

Real quick, I hope you understand that there's no real comparing "this guy isn't jacked enough to play Bane" to "this chicks boobs aren't big enough". That's not the same thing and it happened with Wonder Woman as well.

I actually remember there being a startling amount of people on this board angry about Wonder Woman's cup size.

 

[Travesty]

Real quick, I hope you understand that there's no real comparing "this guy isn't jacked enough to play Bane" to "this chicks boobs aren't big enough". That's not the same thing and it happened with Wonder Woman as well.

Now you're just muddying the waters even more. I get what you're saying, and I do know there are times where people can make sexist claims(for both men and women), but in the context of this discussion, WW has nothing to do with people's criticisms towards Brie in CM.

I'm not making the claim that sexism is nonexistent, it's that not every criticism directed towards a female equates to sexism.

 

[harlequinade]

My thoughts are that the first trailer was much better and there is - shockingly - no sexism in these reactions here because this is one of the worst MCU trailers ever released. Brie is very bland in this footage and for some reason speaks like a child. In fact this trailer was so uninteresting I probably wont go see it in the cinema now.

 

[Abudefduf]

I just don't buy Brie as a bad ass superhero so far. The physical action aspect of her character isn't working for me. I was meant to cheer or feel something as she flew into space in the last shot, but felt nothing. There are some very good actors and actresses who simply don't have that ''action presence'' that is needed in some scenes. This happens to me with Scarjo as BW, but had no issue with Tessa Thompson kicking ass or Gurira as Okoye. Eh.

That's a good way to put it. Some actors just haven't what it takes to play larger-than-life characters in big-budget blockbusters, just ask George Clooney or Ben Affleck. And there's no shame in that.