Captain Marvel Captain Marvel General Discussion and Speculation - Part 9

[RockSP]

Finally saw it yesterday (sidenote: amc bought nearly all the theatres near me and it sucks. I give a rat's patootie about heated/reclining seats...this expensive matinee prices and assigned seats bullcrap is for the birds lol). Someone on another forum wrote it felt like a phase one movie and needed better writing, and I agree. But I thought it was a decent flick still.

Nitpicks: for as little that they did there was no reason to bring back Korath & Ronan. Even if they were just supposed to be cool cameos or setting up for the sequel, it wasn't done in an interesting way. Also, while the cgi was good for young Fury, he still moved like the old man that Sam actually is. There was a scene where he was supposed to be running that was comical.

 

[THORin]

Sudden thought...

Ronin knows of Carol. We know he survived this movie as well as the sequel(prequel) in order to die in GotG. Is it possible that Thanos is then also aware of Carol, and she may not be as big a surprise as people are thinking she will be to him?

Speaking of which, I saw an interesting SuperCarlinBrothers theory video today about

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the possibility of Nebula being a Skrull, and also Talos’ daughter: their theory was that Ronan did come back for CM but got Talos’ daughter instead, and she was disguised as CM, but he brought her back to Thanos: I don’t know how well the theory holds up, but it would be interesting. Thanos does call Nebula a great disappointment after all.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Finally saw the movie!

My biggest criticism is that it felt like half a movie. I hope the sequel is also set before Iron Man 1 - I want to see more of Ronan, Korath, and how the galaxy came to be in the shape it appeared in during Guardians 1 - I felt like a big chunk of that cosmic narrative was missing.

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Also I was underwhelmed with how Fury sustained his injury - it just seemed way too random and didn't square with what he said in The Winter Soldier.

I do think, however, that it was a pretty good movie. I don't give it a 10/10, but it's definitely in that 2nd or 3rd tier of Marvel movies. The main characters were all done really well.

In summary, it felt like a really solid "Part 1" of a Captain Marvel duology set in the past. Here's hoping a "Part 2" can fill in some more of those blanks that were left open by this one.

 

[Thome216]

For me it felt pretty complete. If it was the first as a stand-alone and never had any sequels I would still be happy because it didn't feel open-ended.

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As for Fury, I actually liked what they did there. Like at the end of the movie, Fury is letting people think it was a bad situation which ups his bad-ass cred. And also, it was a cat! Cats are known for attacking without provocation. But apparently a Frenik scratch is a loooot worse than a cat scratch!

 

[flickchick85]

@Thome216 the forum background is not a flat white so your spoiler was still visible, lol. In the future just use the "Spoiler" option under "Insert."

 

[Thome216]

@Thome216 the forum background is not a flat white so your spoiler was still visible, lol. In the future just use the "Spoiler" option under "Insert."

Thanks, I couldn't find it so I went for something that would at least require effort to read. Was that changed..?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Finally saw it yesterday (sidenote: amc bought nearly all the theatres near me and it sucks. I give a rat's patootie about heated/reclining seats...this expensive matinee prices and assigned seats bullcrap is for the birds lol). Someone on another forum wrote it felt like a phase one movie and needed better writing, and I agree. But I thought it was a decent flick still.

Nitpicks: for as little that they did there was no reason to bring back Korath & Ronan. Even if they were just supposed to be cool cameos or setting up for the sequel, it wasn't done in an interesting way. Also, while the cgi was good for young Fury, he still moved like the old man that Sam actually is. There was a scene where he was supposed to be running that was comical.

I swear Sam almost looked mad that he had to run in that moment.

 

[Xeno]

@Thome216 the forum background is not a flat white so your spoiler was still visible, lol. In the future just use the "Spoiler" option under "Insert."

I didn't know that the <spoiler> tag was hiding under "Insert".

Thanks, I couldn't find it so I went for something that would at least require effort to read. Was that changed..?

It changed when the forum software was switched out. I've been typing out the spoiler tag since then because I assumed it was just...gone.

 

[Xeno]

I swear Sam almost looked mad that he had to run in that moment.

Back when The Avengers came out, Sam said that he asked Whedon not to make him run. He was pissed when he had to run out to fire the RPG off the Helicarrier.

 

[Patrick77]

That's funny because I couldn't find the spoiler tag initially either and actually messaged flickchick about it a couple of days ago. I did eventually find it, but it definitely felt less obvious to me than on the old forums.

I didn't realize that this was such a common issue lol.

 

[Cava]

I guess i'm found a Captain Marvel movie fail scene:

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Monica Rambeau's PC has a Windows ME installed when they listen the CD but WinME came out 2000 not 1995

 

[Zyraquis]

For me it felt pretty complete. If it was the first as a stand-alone and never had any sequels I would still be happy because it didn't feel open-ended.

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As for Fury, I actually liked what they did there. Like at the end of the movie, Fury is letting people think it was a bad situation which ups his bad-ass cred. And also, it was a cat! Cats are known for attacking without provocation. But apparently a Frenik scratch is a loooot worse than a cat scratch!

Agreed with the spoiler part that gives another unseen dimension to who he is, which is not always so serious badass etc, and makes one wonders his other ’claims’ which can also be BS.

 

[Thome216]

Everyone BSs a little bit.

 

[shabadoo25]

I cannot agree with those who say it is a bore. The character interactions drive this movie, the action scenes are great and are easy follow without any w'what? blurriness and it doesn't rely on heavy fights to keep the momentum up.

I saw it again today and I think it was even better than the first time. Carol's journey is fun to watch. She was well-written and Larsen brought this character successfully from the page to full color life.

The only critique I have is that some CG shots, such as when she is in space, are less realistic than they should have been and I wish it had a better soundtrack, both instrumental and in songs. I liked them well enough, but most weren't my favs from that era.

But a good story trumps those minor quibbles.

Yeah, and didn't like the Ant-Man movies or Ragnarok, either. No similar taste at all.

 

[Jh7058622]

Have you seen CM now?

Did you go see Fan4stic in theaters?

 

[Iceman]

Wonder Woman certainly deserves it more imo.

Captain Mehvel is what the internet unanimously decided upon.

Have you seen CM now?

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Did you go see Fan4stic in theaters?

I was only asking as I thought you might have seen it by now and not liked it (like Abudefduf). Judging by your response you obviously haven't. Statements like the ones you make in the quotes above and have been making in various threads seem a bit strange if you haven't seen the film. If you go back to the forums of Fant4stic you'll see I have hardly any posts there anticipating or commenting afterwards, unlike with you and the CM board, so I'm not sure what the relevance of your response was (other than being defensive because you haven't seen the film and got caught making comments where you are acting as if you have). I can understand someone not being interested in CM from trailers/TV spots/critic and fan reviews etc, but I would wait till you've seen it before making judgements about who deserves what.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Did you go see Fan4stic in theaters?

This is called "dodging the question." It is what one does when they are asked a question that they don't wish to answer, largely because it will make them look bad. Thus they get defensive and try to change the subject. But this reply doesn't offer any credibility to your argument. In fact, it makes your argument look invalid.

I guess don't accuse other people of making unhelpful replies when you don't wish to do the same?

 

[Jh7058622]

This is called "dodging the question." It is what one does when they are asked a question that they don't wish to answer, largely because it will make them look bad. Thus they get defensive and try to change the subject. But this reply doesn't offer any credibility to your argument. In fact, it makes your argument look invalid.

I guess don't accuse other people of making unhelpful replies when you don't wish to do the same?

Nope actually it's called illustrating a point but since you can't follow and are pontificating what my words mean let me break it down:

Many saw Fan4stic's trailers said that movie will be trash so they avoided it and were called racist because of the content of the films inclusive nature of having the first black Johnny Storm.

If you can't see the parallels here I don't know how.

To answer the question no I have not because the marketing and many fan reviews showed this film to be exactly what I feared "indifference" it is as forgettable as I thought it would be. I'm not going to support it nor will I support illegally downloading it.

Sometimes you can look at something from a far and say "not for me" hence why I brought up Fan4stic.

Any other questions, comments or concerns I don't want you confused anymore?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Nope actually it's called illustrating a point but since you can't follow and are pontificating what my words mean let me break it down:

Many saw Fan4stic's trailers said that movie will be trash so they avoided it and were called racist because of the content of the films inclusive nature of having the first black Johnny Storm.

If you can't see the parallels here I don't know how.

To answer the question no I have not because the marketing and many fan reviews showed this film to be exactly what I feared "indifference" it is as forgettable as I thought it would be. I'm not going to support it nor will I support illegally downloading it.

Sometimes you can look at something from a far and say "not for me" hence why I brought up Fan4stic.

Any other questions, comments or concerns I don't want you confused anymore?

No, it's called making excuses. You're looking for a reason to have an opinion when you didn't see the movie, and you're using Fan4stic as an excuse to lend yourself credibility. I see through this. But guess what, I actually saw that piece of trash Fan4stic movie. In the cinema. I paid for Ant-Man. So when I complained about it (and still do), I had/have an informed opinion. This is something you don't have at this point.

But hey, you do you I guess.

 

[Jh7058622]

No, it's called making excuses. You're looking for a reason to have an opinion when you didn't see the movie, and you're using Fan4stic as an excuse to lend yourself credibility. I see through this. But guess what, I actually saw that piece of trash Fan4stic movie. In the cinema. I paid for Ant-Man. So when I complained about it (and still do), I had/have an informed opinion. This is something you don't have at this point.

But hey, you do you I guess.

Why the would I watch a film I have no intrest in. Not everyone has to watch it to have an opinion.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Why the would I watch a film I have no intrest in. Not everyone has to watch it to have an opinion.

To have an informed opinion you do. You cannot comment on acting performances and such if you didn't see the work. Sure, you can have an opinion on anything. But there is a difference between an informed opinion and an uninformed one. I'm not going to value your opinion the same as that of someone who actually saw the movie. Sorry, but it's the truth. I am also not going to spend my days on a forum complaining about a movie I didn't see. Why would I do that? What possible value am I adding to the discussion?

I value my own critical thought before forming an opinion. I don't let YT and RT think for me.

 

[Jh7058622]

No one has to watch something they have no interest in just to prove said disinterest is valid.

That's literally the reason for marketing.

Something tells me if this was another franchise not associated with Marvel people wouldn't care so much.

 

[Abudefduf]

Think of it this way. Even if Captain Marvel's first movie/performance was lackluster, which character's first movie is usually considered the best?

Iron Man as stellar as that is, a lot of people would consider Avengers or Civil War or even Infinity War as the better movie.
Captain America in TWS or CW
Batman in TDK.
Spider-Man in Spider-Man 2.
Doctor Strange in Infinity War
Thor in Ragnarok or Infinity War

Thanks for proving that first movies don't have to necessarily suck, I guess. I like Iron Man, Spider-Man and Batman Begins a lot and I wish CM was as good as Doctor Strange.

See, the problem with Captain Marvel is not that it's merely okay, it's that it was specifically made to be nothing more than that. It's a mediocre, formulaic movie and proud of it.

And sorry but dreaming about how much better the sequel could be doesn't ease my disappointment. That's basically admitting that the first movie is nothing but sequel bait.

 

[Spider-Fan]

No one has to watch something they have no interest in just to prove said disinterest is valid.

I am not saying your disinterest is invalid. What you want or don't want to see is up to you and your taste. I am saying your opinion of the finer points of the movie are because you didn't see it. I say the same of me for any movie I didn't see. But again, if you are so dead against seeing this, then why are you here? Why spend time in a forum for a movie you didn't see and thus have no valid opinion of? Why not go discuss something you like or actually saw elsewhere, where you opinion would have actual merit?

 

[Jh7058622]

I am not saying your disinterest is invalid. What you want or don't want to see is up to you and your taste. I am saying your opinion of the finer points of the movie are because you didn't see it. I say the same of me for any movie I didn't see. But again, if you are so dead against seeing this, then why are you here? Why spend time in a forum for a movie you didn't see and thus have no valid opinion of? Why not go discuss something you like or actually saw elsewhere, where you opinion would have actual merit?

And to that again I ask you did you watch Fan4stic in theaters? Did you have an opinion of it that didn't change much after viewing it?
Do you think you wasted time watching something you had no interest in seeing to begin with or are you glad you gave it a try?