Cartoon Network to become "Network"

[conjob_89]

Oh no, we blame Mtv for starting this crap with The Real World & Road Rules in the late 90's, the networks just followed.

Took the other networks until 2000. Real World started in 1992 and Road Rules in 1995

 

[Phatman]

You won't get any flak from me because video games have contributed to this format's decadence.

I really hope that hand drawn animation doesn't die out though; there's just something special about its organic quality that has to be appreciated for generations to come. I can however, question the animated junk that is being spewed out currently & alienating kids from ever finding anything endearing about the medium.

That new Speed Racer digital cartoon comes to mind...

I don't think Hand-Drawn animation will ever die as an art form; it's that lately no one is courageous enough to produce a quality animated series nowadays that appeals to both kids and adults. Many fear the risks regarding the high production costs ($3 million an episode nowadays) and low returns on ratings. IMO, until we get a show with the high-quality writing of the Simpsons and the amazing animation of mid-90's Disney, Fox or Dini/Timm the viewers won't come back in droves like they did before.

The sad part is that the market for hand-drawn animation is ripe for growth. Unfortunately American audiences and American film studios see animated programs as only children's programming and not an art form. I wish American filmmakers would have the imagination to make an animated opus on the level of the Godfather or The Dark Knight, where a serious dramatic story is featured for once. I believe that would make people stand up and take notice of how great hand-drawn animation is.

The problem with CN wasn't the concept; it was the content. The newer cartoons were TOO dumbed down, and CN stopped pushing the envelope. CN would still be viable if WB executives would just take their hands off and let their animators take the art form to the next level artistically.

Network will just be another network pandering to the LCD and not worth watching. Funny thing about Cable nowadays is most of the shows aren't worth paying for. Why watch people act like fools on TV in reality shows when I can look out my window for free and see the exact same thing?



IMO, The late 80's-2002 were a golden age for hand-drawn animated projects. I have never seen so many great animated series to come out of a decade as I did like the 90's. There was so much good stuff coming out I couldn't watch it all, let alone tape it. We fans of animation were spoiled; Disney, FOX and WB were churning out animated masterpieces at a rapid rate. I'm glad I had an opportunity to see it and appreciate it.

 

[RogueDK]

I don't think Hand-Drawn animation will ever die as an art form; it's that lately no one is courageous enough to produce a quality animated series nowadays that appeals to both kids and adults. Many fear the risks regarding the high production costs ($3 million an episode nowadays) and low returns on ratings. IMO, until we get a show with the high-quality writing of the Simpsons and the amazing animation of mid-90's Disney, Fox or Dini/Timm the viewers won't come back in droves like they did before.

The sad part is that the market for hand-drawn animation is ripe for growth. Unfortunately American audiences and American film studios see animated programs as only children's programming and not an art form. I wish American filmmakers would have the imagination to make an animated opus on the level of the Godfather or The Dark Knight, where a serious dramatic story is featured for once. I believe that would make people stand up and take notice of how great hand-drawn animation is.

The problem with CN wasn't the concept; it was the content. The newer cartoons were TOO dumbed down, and CN stopped pushing the envelope. CN would still be viable if WB executives would just take their hands off and let their animators take the art form to the next level artistically.

Network will just be another network pandering to the LCD and not worth watching. Funny thing about Cable nowadays is most of the shows aren't worth paying for. Why watch people act like fools on TV in reality shows when I can look out my window for free and see the exact same thing?



IMO, The late 80's-2002 were a golden age for hand-drawn animated projects. I have never seen so many great animated series to come out of a decade as I did like the 90's. There was so much good stuff coming out I couldn't watch it all, let alone tape it. We fans of animation were spoiled; Disney, FOX and WB were churning out animated masterpieces at a rapid rate. I'm glad I had an opportunity to see it and appreciate it.

I posed this exact same question yesterday.

All really good points.

 

[Phatman]

I posed this exact same question yesterday.

All really good points.

Yep, reality TV is the reason I stopped watching TV regularly since 2004. There's just too much of it on the air and all of it redundant.

I was a Diehard TV junkie since 1978 and a diehard animation fan who got up for cartoons way into my 30s; now I go days or weeks without watching anything. It's a sad day when a former TV junkie like myself finds himself going to YouTube to watch TV shows because the networks won't air anything worth watching.

 

[Eric Brooks]

I don't watch the station anyway, no loss here

 

[Kenny Eugene McCall]

I'll tell you this, the way Cartoon Network's been acting, hell, broadcast networks have been acting, maybe we should buy all the animated DVDs that are out there, get a small UHF television station in some small town, and start our own pirate animation network that could hijack Turner's cable signals in the process!

Then we hire some contract killers to assassinate the CN executives and after that we finally take control of Cartoon Network and start airing cartoons again! No reality programming, no sports programs, and no stupid live action movies, just animation and animated movies, that's all!

This message was brought to you by the Cartoon Network Liberation Front, Bennettsville, South Carolina 29512

 

[Fresh Prince]

....Well, I hardly watch CN for a reason...now it is dead to me.

Agreed. CN went downhill after Dragon Ball, Yu Yu Hakushow, Naruto, Transformers, Gundum, Justice League and Justice LEague unlimited. They have **** shows now.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Yep, reality TV is the reason I stopped watching TV regularly since 2004. There's just too much of it on the air and all of it redundant.

I was a Diehard TV junkie since 1978 and a diehard animation fan who got up for cartoons way into my 30s; now I go days or weeks without watching anything. It's a sad day when a former TV junkie like myself finds himself going to YouTube to watch TV shows because the networks won't air anything worth watching.

Agreed. Even though i was not born until 1991. But tv these days suck. All tg shows mostly get canceled a few episodes in and their is no good comedy shows or mystery/crime shows anymore. And animation either.

Just wacked out reality television shows that are all the same and nothing but ********.

 

[The Lizard]

I also really enjoy TDI and TDA as well as 6Teen

IMO, Total Drama Action < Total Drama Island < 6Teen (and yes, I know that they're written and produced by the same people).
Although, it looks like their newest cartoon, Stoked, is done more in the art style of 6Teen, so hopefully the characterization is more along the lines of 6Teen as well.

 

[Phatman]

Agreed. Even though i was not born until 1991. But tv these days suck. All tg shows mostly get canceled a few episodes in and their is no good comedy shows or mystery/crime shows anymore. And animation either.

Just wacked out reality television shows that are all the same and nothing but ********.

Yeah, TV has devolved so badly since the 80's when I was a kid. Man, that was a golden age for TV. I could practically stay up from 7am-midnight watching TV; there was so much good stuff on.

And this was the broadcast channels here in New York. There were music videos and classic movies on PBS; complete and uncut. There was no cable at the time and because the network and PBS content was so great, there was no real need for it. As far as I could remember when I was a teenager back in 1988 The only reality TV show was Cops. I wish things could have stayed that way.

Now there's a dearth of this reality show crap and its infecting every channel. A lot of the shows don't even make any sense. Every time we get a good show like Freaks & Geeks, Brimstone, or Firefly it gets cancelled for Biggest Loser Idol Kitchen or some nonsense with the same types of whiny contestants.

I know how a lot of the CN fans feel because in 1992 MTV stopped being about the music and got involved with Clinton's election. Even though we got Beavis& Butt-head and Daria out of the format change, MTV was never the same after that.

Well, we'll always have Justice League.

 

[Eric Brooks]

Yeah, TV has devolved so badly since the 80's when I was a kid. Man, that was a golden age for TV. I could practically stay up from 7am-midnight watching TV; there was so much good stuff on.

same with the 90's as well

I spent an entire summer once from sun up to sun down, including the graveyard shift watching the telly

wasn't enough time in the day to catch everything you wanted to

 

[Milu]

I'm moving to Japan !

 

[Phatman]

same with the 90's as well

I spent an entire summer once from sun up to sun down, including the graveyard shift watching the telly

wasn't enough time in the day to catch everything you wanted to

Tell me about it. Throughout the 90's I broke two VCRs taping everything from The Flash, BTAS, X-men, TNBA, STAS, Spider-man, Iron Man, Fantastic Four, Seinfeld, Martin, Batman Beyond, Gargoyles and countless movies, all because I wanted to catch stuff on one channel and other stuff was on another or I was in the middle of a Tomb Raider game on the original PS1. The 90's were the golden age for animation; and the silver age for the sitcom. A lot of people who are growing up with TV today just don't know how much awesome stuff they missed.

Now my VCR is a glorified clock.

 

[Eric Brooks]

me and a buddy of mine were talking the other day about how fortunate we are to have been born in 84 just in time to fully enjoy the 90's. Everything from movies, tv, video games, etc. were IMHO in their freaking prime.

It's single handedly why the 90's is my favorite decade

 

[RogueDK]

The 90's were the golden age for animation;

Well ,actually this is before both of our times but I usually call the Fleischer Era as the golden age of cartoons. What did that guy touch that didn't turn into gold?

The 90s had a classic surge for cartoons but so did the 70s and 80s. I'm a huge Filmation fan: Ghostbusters, Zorro, Star Trek TAS, etc...

The 1988 Ruby Spears Superman too.

I'm glad I invested in alot of those animated goodies on DVD.


Fu##ing sucks!!!!!

 

[3dman27]

i'll tell you this, the way cartoon network's been acting, hell, broadcast networks have been acting, maybe we should buy all the animated dvds that are out there, get a small uhf television station in some small town, and start our own pirate animation network that could hijack turner's cable signals in the process!

Then we hire some contract killers to assassinate the cn executives and after that we finally take control of cartoon network and start airing cartoons again! No reality programming, no sports programs, and no stupid live action movies, just animation and animated movies, that's all!

This message was brought to you by the cartoon network liberation front, bennettsville, south carolina 29512

i hear you my friend and i have to agree with scarecrow

 

[BlackLantern]

Now that Foster's Home is gone the only thing I watch on the ''Cartoon" Network part of the channel is Total Drama Island/Action.

Adult Swim is pretty terrible nowadays too though.

and people like you are contributing to engraining Reality TV into the consciousness of kids, so that they grow up to be reality TV fans....you are to blame as much as the "suits"

 

[Eric Brooks]

and people like you are contributing to engraining Reality TV into the consciousness of kids, so that they grow up to be reality TV fans....you are to blame as much as the "suits"

anyone who watches ANY reality show which contributes to their ratings is to blame

they're not going to stop making them unless people stop watching them

meaning, quit being brainless dolts and develope a freaking braincell, some common sense and at least a little taste

 

[Fresh Prince]

I do not watch none of that reality tv garbage. What happened to good sitcom television shows? Now they got crap ones that only last for a few episodes. Back then most of them would last up to 5 seasons some even longer then that and these days we cannot even get a show past a season without it getting canceled. What happened? Why no more sitcom shows that are good?

Animation shows really used to be the best they had so many cool awesome television shows back then man i'm telling you. Also they had other good shows that were not super hero shows. Now i was born in 1991 so i was able to see most of them and they show reruns on television now.Man what happened to them shows?

What happened to the good cop shows like Miami Vice shows like that used to be awesome! Now they got corny cop shows these days thats just ripoffs from each other. CSI Miami, New York, NYPD Blue, NCIS all them Law & Order shows they all pretty much the same and all of them are boring. We need cool hip cop shows again.

Disney i mean its cool they giving unkowns a chance at stardom which will not last long cause we all know how long a teen idol last in the holylwood sunlight. Look at people like Kikr Cameron, Olsen Twins, Steve Urkel, Mark-Paul Gosselaar and Mario Lopez none of them are even mentioned by people these days anymore. Now you got all these other networks trying to copy sad.

 

[Eric Brooks]

the year 2000, when Entertainment died

I'm just glad for DVD Box sets, got all of my favorite shows from the 90's at my disposal, and since I still rock music CD's (won't touch an IPOD), all I needs is an NES, Super NES and Sega Genesis and I'm set

I'll live in the 90's the rest of my life while the rest of the world enjoys the crap that's beeing spoon fed to them. (XBOX, Wii, Reality TV, Emo Music and guys that look like freaking elves) ya'll can have that ****

 

[BlackLantern]

Law and Order has actually gotten better in the past 2 seasons....not a fan of the CSIs at all...The Shield is a great cop show that just finished a 7 year run....the only sitcoms I watch regularly now are How I Met Your Mother, Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia, and Better off Ted

 

[Arc-Light]

CN was bad enough, "Network" is even worse. Almost as bad at "SyFy" What the hey does SyFy mean?

SyFy means B-grade movies with a mix of wraslin programing.

 

[BlackLantern]

SyFy means B-grade movies with a mix of wraslin programing.

that's what it is now....and its one hour a week of wrestling, its not like its on all the time, but I get how people could not like it even being there to start with...

as long as they keep Eureka and throw me the occasional B movie starring Dean Cain, Im good

 

[Arc-Light]

Is it me or is the cartoon slowly dying?

Been dead since the 80's...

 

[Arc-Light]

that's what it is now....and its one hour a week of wrestling, its not like its on all the time, but I get how people could not like it even being there to start with...

as long as they keep Eureka and throw me the occasional B movie starring Dean Cain, Im good

lol, or Casper Van Dien....