Chapter 20 - "Five Years Gone" - Discussion Thread 4/30/07

[Mandi-chan]

Damn! What an awesome eppie, I loved it!

Future Hiro=Yummy!t:

I loved the plot twist with Nathan being Sylar, I didn't see it coming. Nathan being a total bastard wasn't hard to see, so I was easily fooled until the real villan showed his true colors.

Matt's a cutie, but sadly even in the future he's a bit dim....oh well.

I wasn't suprised that Future Hiro's Ando was dead, I assumed that right away when he never showed up. Ando is Hiro's best friend, and he'd be there for our favorite little geek no matter what. Him being dead was the only answer.

I thought the way Ando was with Future Hiro was cute. Even though his friend's a hardened soul he still watched over him as he always does. It was sweet how he was putting the blanket on F-Hiro as he learned his fate...and how it affected his friend.

Future-Peter's a badass too! I thought it was great that he was friends with Future-Hiro. With the way they were talking to one another, I'm under the impression they had a lot of adventures together over those 5 dark years.

I also saw Future-Hiro's death coming, but I did like the little moment he had with Ando before he died.

I wonder if Ando will ever tell Hiro that his future self died...

I can't wait to see next week! Please, writers, don't kill off Hiro, Ando, Peter, or Claire!

I gotta say, Masi Oka is one hellava an actor! I was blown away by his acting in this ep, he played the same character with two totally different personalities (due to 5 hellish years).

 

[Killgore]

Everyone is dancing around the allusions to X-Men and Days of Future Past but no one has recalled that X-men 141 is the exact issue that Hiro referenced in the pilot. How cool is that?

 

[darkseid26]

last night episode was, crazy i did not see anything coming except for shiresh injeting the haitian i saw that coming a mile away, every thing else awesome and cool.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Was the preview for the next episode in the future still? I didint see it.

 

[Frico]

Was the preview for the next episode in the future still? I didint see it.

Nah, it's back to our time now

 

[Tyrinus]

About Peter's scar. It's a nice, deep looking slash. I can't help but wonder if Hiro isn't responsible for it sometime down the road. Maybe something happened that caused them to fight, Hiro slashed Peter, Peter came to his senses and decided to keep the scar as a reminder, and there were no hard feelings between the two.

 

[chesslover]

Anybody else lol @ Parkman's "What"? after Pete rescues Ando and FH?

 

[Mr.Webs]

yeah, I wasn't too happy seeing Peter Matrixed out.

Well, at least he wasn't wearing leather. God, I'm sick of leather.

And Parkman's "What!?" was fantastic. He was like, "And what did you WANT me to do?"

 

[Asgard]

God damn...

For some reason the station that broadcasts NBC did not show the last few minutes of the episode. It ends after the elevator closes on Future Hiro and Mohinder looks like he's about to inject Hiro with the drug. After that they show all these mother****ing commercials which pissed me the **** off and I just want to ****ing murder whoever put in the tape and refused to show the goddamn mother****ing ending.

I mean ****, 5-7 extra minutes that they couldnt show. God damn scrubs cant do their ****ing job. I hope whomever's responsible for this gets fired and sodomized by a ****ing mountain lion.

The episode was still great though. Hopefully they show the ending when it repeats on SciFi.

 

[Abaddon]

the ep is online.

 

[Asgard]

I know, but Im currently on dialup and it's going to take forever just to download the episode.

 

[dr venture]

I mean ****, 5-7 extra minutes that they couldnt show. God damn scrubs cant do their ****ing job. I hope whomever's responsible for this gets fired and sodomized by a ****ing mountain lion.

LOLt:t:

 

[Syncos]

My guess is that, in the context of this episode, Sylar killed Ted Sprague and got into a fight with Peter in New York. Peter absorbed Sylar's (really Ted's) ability to generate radiation and accidentally detonated.

If Sylar is killed, he won't kill Ted and thus won't pass Ted's power onto Peter. Therefore, Peter won't explode.

GOD, I can't wait for the season finale.

Before Hiro teleported to the future, Ted, Parkman and Bennett were headed for NYC. It's pretty easy to think that Peter could end up running into Ted. it's not that Sylar necessarily kills him.

However, if Sylar does end up killing Ted and taking his powers, I could see it playing out as Sylar kills someone close to Peter, and in a blind fit of rage, Pete explodes, not even understanding the power he's using.

Can't wait to see this play out.

How is future Peter no match for Sylar? Whatever power Sylar uses, Peter will gain, as it appears he demonstrates a more adept handle on the powers he has. Neither can die, but don't forget he's still one up on Sylar with the whole "folding space-time continuum" thing.

If I were Peter, I'd freeze time and teleport Sylar into the sun.

As far as we know, Peter's also got the invisibility on his side. Looks like Sylar's out gunned.

Anyone else find the parallels with the fire and ice thing? The fact that Peter's powers seem to rely on his emotions and his passion, where as Sylar's is cold and mechanical?

Though I may be reading too much into it.

 

[SLYspyder]

I'm confused about the whole Sylar Claire Hiro thing.

If Claire wasn't killed, why didn't Hiro's stab with his sword kill Sylar?

 

[Asgard]

The whole time travel aspect of the show really threw me for a loop after this ep.

Can anyone help verify if Im on the right track?

So basically, everything we see this ep is the result of Hiro going back in time to meet with Peter and Hiro and Ando going forward 5 years in time.

But, before F Hiro goes back, we know the following has already passed:

Claire is dead; she's killed at Homecoming.

Sylar killed Ted and using his power, destroyed half of NYC.

Bennett and Hana help find refuge for "mutants" who are not dangerous to the general public, and report those that are to Matt Parkman(ala DL, Candace, and maybe Molly.)

Matt and the Haitian work for Homeland Security and also report to the PoTUS, Nathan.**

Peter and Nikki are a couple. Peter has that gnarly scar.

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After F Hiro meets with Peter and gives him the message and returns to his own time we find out that:

Hiro and Ando left their own time and traveled to the future. Thereby not playing their roles in the events that lead up to the explosion.

Nikki and Peter are still a couple, Micah's still dead. Peter's still got that scar.

Peter was the one that destroyed NYC.

Sylar killed Nathan and used Candace's abilities to take his place as POTUS, or maybe he did it before he became POTUS and then resumed his identity.

Claire's alive but killed later on by Sylar.

Matt and the Haitian still work for Homeland Security.

 

[MF-DOOM]

With Sylar posing as Nathan and 'collecting' all the people with powers, I would think it is pretty likely that he would have been killing off the ones with the most useful powers and adding them to his stock.. it's what I would have been doing!

 

[Mysterio]

I'm confused about the whole Sylar Claire Hiro thing.

If Claire wasn't killed, why didn't Hiro's stab with his sword kill Sylar?

because Hiro Prime hasn't stabbed Sylar yet. in FutureHiro's timeline, Sylar could regenerate because he had killed Claire. that's why he traveled back in time to tell Peter to save the cheerleader.

 

[echostation]

but see that's the problem, in the beginning Future Hiro tells Hiro that his stab didn't kill Sylar cuz he just regenerated cuz he got Claire's Powers...

How could Sylar get claire's powers when Claire wasn't even dead at all but working as that waitress... Sylar as President manages to get Claire's powers only later...

unless the plot point of Peter being the actual bomb throws it all off since Peter absorbed Claire's powers and was able to regenerate after exploding

 

[The Question]

but see that's the problem, in the beginning Future Hiro tells Hiro that his stab didn't kill Sylar cuz he just regenerated cuz he got Claire's Powers...

How could Sylar get claire's powers when Claire wasn't even dead at all but working as that waitress... Sylar as President manages to get Claire's powers only later...

unless the plot point of Peter being the actual bomb throws it all off since Peter absorbed Claire's powers and was able to regenerate after exploding

Hiro changed the past. He went back and time, and told Peter to save Claire. He did. But Hiro still remembered it the way it happened in the origional timeline.

 

[Tyrinus]

Few of options as I see it. In the altered time line Peter exploded, where as in Future Hiro's it actually was Sylar. Or because Hiro was in the future it was like he was out of time all together, so he wasn't able to play his part. If Hiro had stayed in the future, or been killed he never could have gone back and stabbed Sylar. Or you have an alternate time line/dimension and Future Hiro will never be able to alter his time line the way he wants.

 

[NateGray]

God damn...

For some reason the station that broadcasts NBC did not show the last few minutes of the episode. It ends after the elevator closes on Future Hiro and Mohinder looks like he's about to inject Hiro with the drug. After that they show all these mother****ing commercials which pissed me the **** off and I just want to ****ing murder whoever put in the tape and refused to show the goddamn mother****ing ending.

I mean ****, 5-7 extra minutes that they couldnt show. God damn scrubs cant do their ****ing job. I hope whomever's responsible for this gets fired and sodomized by a ****ing mountain lion.

The episode was still great though. Hopefully they show the ending when it repeats on SciFi.

You can always catch it on nbc.com as well if you just missed the last 5-7 minutes.

Oh and

WOW FANTASTIC episode and this show kicks all kinds of ass.
Great writing and acting all around just fantastic.

 

[Savage]

Hiro changed the past. He went back and time, and told Peter to save Claire. He did. But Hiro still remembered it the way it happened in the origional timeline.

Yeah but I think the confusing part is that if everything still occured the same way but this time the cheerleader was saved, how come Sylar didn't die when he was stabbed?

 

[Mysterio]

i suppose we'll have the answer in the next couple of weeks. Perhaps Sylar wasn't stabbed?

 

[Mrh7448]

but see that's the problem, in the beginning Future Hiro tells Hiro that his stab didn't kill Sylar cuz he just regenerated cuz he got Claire's Powers...

How could Sylar get claire's powers when Claire wasn't even dead at all but working as that waitress... Sylar as President manages to get Claire's powers only later...

unless the plot point of Peter being the actual bomb throws it all off since Peter absorbed Claire's powers and was able to regenerate after exploding

I think that FutureHiro saved Claire in his timeline she did die, but it didn't change the future because PrimeHiro hasn't tried to kill Sylar yet. FutureHiro still has the memories of the other timeline because he's the one affecting the changes.
There are at least two events that need to be accomplished to prevent NY from exploding

Save the Cheerleader, this action prevents Sylar from gaining her abilities.

Hiro must kill Sylar this time, his and Ando's jaunt into the future hasn't accomplished this yet and perhaps will change this event in the past. Without Claire's powers Sylar will be killed.

Counterpoints though, it would depend when Sylar absorbs Candace's abilities. If it's before he faces Hiro he may be able to make it look like he's died when really he hasn't. In which case Peter and Sylar will end up facing off and Peter destroys NY, while Sylar manages to escape somehow, if perhaps he snags Nathan's powers before the explosion which his flight may allow him to escape ahead of the explosion, or is he kills DL before then if he phases long enough the explosion might not affect him, or conjuction of both.

As for Peter's scar I'm guessing it was somehow caused by his exploding and he kept it as a reminder. Since he has control over which abilities are in use he can decide whether or not something will heal naturally or not.

 

[technopimp]

Yeah but I think the confusing part is that if everything still occured the same way but this time the cheerleader was saved, how come Sylar didn't die when he was stabbed?

What I believe happened is...Future Hiro originally stabbed Sylar but didn't kill him because Sylar had Claire's powers. So future Hiro goes back in time to get them to keep Sylar from getting her powers. It was future Hiro's belief that if they just saved the cheerleader then it would ultimately prevent the bomb from going off. But thats all under the assumption that Sylar is the bomb. As Peter said, Sylar was NOT the bomb he was.

So when future Hiro comes comes back to his time he sees nothing has changed and figures they weren't able to save the cheerleader. Thats why he doesn't know that Claire is alive because he figures if she was alive the bomb wouldn't have gone off because Sylar would have been killed. But again thats all under the assumption that Sylar is the bomb.

As to why Sylar hadn't been stab, I think present Hiro just hadn't gotten to that point in his time yet not that it didn't or wont happen.