Chapter 20 - "Five Years Gone" - Discussion Thread 4/30/07

[Savage]

But here's what I mean.

Reality 1 - Sylar kills Claire and takes her powers. Is stabbed but regenerates.

Reality 2 - Sylar doesn't kill Claire so he doesn't take her powers. He's stabbed but...why didn't he die? I'm sure future Hiro still recalls stabbing him. So how could he have survived the stabbing if Claire was in fact saved?

 

[technopimp]

But here's what I mean.

Reality 1 - Sylar kills Claire and takes her powers. Is stabbed but regenerates.

Reality 2 - Sylar doesn't kill Claire so he doesn't take her powers. He's stabbed but...why didn't he die? I'm sure future Hiro still recalls stabbing him. So how could he have survived the stabbing if Claire was in fact saved?

But heres the thing we really don't know if Sylar will be stabbed in the present time yet. I think future Hiro only remembers things the way they happened in his time. Otherwise he wouldn't have had to ask if the cheerleader was still alive or if present Hiro killed Sylar.

 

[Savage]

I'm not talking about the present time. I'm talking about future/president Sylar who doesn't get to Claire till after he becomes the president and supposedly after the stabbing. How did THAT Sylar survive? I'd buy it if future Hiro doesn't remember stabbing him but he does remember stabbing him, leaving this big...hole in the story. Hiro remembers stabbing Sylar, who survived without healing powers.

 

[Mysterio]

But here's what I mean.

Reality 1 - Sylar kills Claire and takes her powers. Is stabbed but regenerates.

Reality 2 - Sylar doesn't kill Claire so he doesn't take her powers. He's stabbed but...why didn't he die? I'm sure future Hiro still recalls stabbing him. So how could he have survived the stabbing if Claire was in fact saved?

FutureHiro believes Sylar is the bomb, but he wasn't - not in FH's timeline.

FutureHiro also believes he stabbed Sylar, but maybe he didn't. meaning, a) maybe he didn't stab Sylar (or anyone), or b) maybe the person he stabbed isn't really Sylar. for example, what if it's Peter?

he was wrong about the bomb, so maybe he's wrong about this, too.


and don't forget, it was just a "what if?" episode. it's a possible future.

 

[GhostPoet]

First...BEST EPISODE OF THE SERIES. I loved it. The show has great writing, great characters and a GREAT story.

So many twists and turns...I had no idea the President was really Sylar in disguise...wow. And the way everyone turned out was just a big of a shock.

It makes me glad I don't read spoilers...or else all the great surprises would be gone.

 

[casusev]

Wonderful episode. One of my favorites, right up there with “Six months ago” and “Company Man” for me.

Lots of surprises, Nathan being Sylar got me pretty good.

Time travel can be very confusing. Here is my crack at it.

In the Future time the following happens:

Sylar kills Claire and gains her power.

FutureHiro tries to kill Sylar, and fails due to Claire’s power.

Sylar explodes and destroys NYC (originally it had to be Sylar, not Peter who was the bomb, more on that later).

FutureHiro goes back in time and tells Peter that if he saves the cheerleader, he saves the world.

Peter saves Claire from Sylar.

Sylar does not get Claire’s power, Peter does.

Peter has visions that he is the bomb.

Hiro and Ando go to the future and meet FutureHiro.

The fact that NYC is destroyed has not changed. (One could argue that FutureHiro could not change his timeline, due to the Paradox theory)

FuturePeter says that he was the explosion not Sylar.

Hiro and Ando go back in time to try to save the world.

A couple of things can be divulged from this.

1. Originally, Sylar was the one who was the bomb.

Peter originally couldn’t have been the bomb b/c he didn’t have Claire’s powers. Sylar killed Claire at homecoming before Peter could meet her. FutureHiro says that he knew Peter post NYC explosion. That means that Peter was not at the explosion or he would be dead.


B/c Peter stopped him, Peter became the bomb. This maybe due to the Paradox theory, that if FutureHiro were to have saved NYC, then NYC would have not been destroyed, and if it wasn’t destroyed then FutureHiro would not have gone back to save it. If he did not go back to save NYC then it WAS destroyed and the loop continues. (Isn’t time travel fun?)

Therefore the universe corrected the paradox and had Peter be the bomb. One could suggest that FutureHiro could never save his own timeline.

2. The second is that “Save the Cheerleader, save the world” is meaningless. The saying was brought to save Claire b/c SYLAR was the bomb and he had her power. With Peter being the bomb, saving Claire won’t necessarily save the world. This all makes the situation more hopeless for our ‘Hiroes.’

Hope some of this makes sense.


-casusev


For wonderful time travel info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel

 

[Caliber]

FutureHiro believes Sylar is the bomb, but he wasn't - not in FH's timeline.

FutureHiro also believes he stabbed Sylar, but maybe he didn't. meaning, a) maybe he didn't stab Sylar (or anyone), or b) maybe the person he stabbed isn't really Sylar. for example, what if it's Peter?

he was wrong about the bomb, so maybe he's wrong about this, too.


and don't forget, it was just a "what if?" episode. it's a possible future.

But it looks like the future they are headed too because everything was a conspiracy. Looks like Linderman may have other plans for Nathan that won't benefit him.

 

[Syncos]

Also, with the ending of this weeks episode. Present Hiro doesn't really have that killer instinct he'd need to stab Sylar. We'll see if he has the guts, but a lot can happen in 5 years.

I love the paradox that the future still ended up the same way. Even with Sylar being prevented from being the bomb, Peter still was.

The fact that everyone's trying to analyze what happens with each decision to make sense of the time rift between both worlds shows how well this was written.

 

[Gold Samurai]

did kalkai make .gifs for this episode?

 

[web-head5]

But heres the thing we really don't know if Sylar will be stabbed in the present time yet. I think future Hiro only remembers things the way they happened in his time. Otherwise he wouldn't have had to ask if the cheerleader was still alive or if present Hiro killed Sylar.

he remembers everything the way things happened in his time and his time only because the night he came back from his meeting in the past with peter on the train was the same night Past Hiro and Ando ported into Isaac's apartment (all according to the online comic). therefore he wouldn't know any different.

Counterpoints though, it would depend when Sylar absorbs Candace's abilities. If it's before he faces Hiro he may be able to make it look like he's died when really he hasn't.

alright how about this? you ready? how about if sylar gets candace's powers before the Hiro/Sylar confrontation, Hiro goes to kill Sylar not knowing he has these powers, but it actually ends up that Sylar gave the illusion that someone else was himself, and Hiro ends up killing someone else (oh i don't know, Ando perhaps). it would also mean that the 9th Wonder comic still wasn't technically wrong, seeing as it seems to be from the point of view of Hiro himself. if i'm right and if the would-be Sylar in question was Ando, that would really explain the extreme transformation from doe-eyed Hiro to Bad-A s s-anguish-filled-Samurai Hiro. IMO just Ando dying doesn't seem like it would change Hiro completely. to me, Hiro and Ando seemed like pretty good buddies, but not brother-like comrades. this would explain it. what do you guys think?

 

[Moon |つき|]

First...BEST EPISODE OF THE SERIES. I loved it. The show has great writing, great characters and a GREAT story.

So many twists and turns...I had no idea the President was really Sylar in disguise...wow. And the way everyone turned out was just a big of a shock.

It makes me glad I don't read spoilers...or else all the great surprises would be gone.

Agreed

I love the paradox that the future still ended up the same way. Even with Sylar being prevented from being the bomb, Peter still was.

Well, don't you guys thing Ando will at least tell Hiro that Peter said he was really the bomb?

 

[Savage]

I think your theory confuses me.

Many thanks to casusev for clearing that up for me though. Now it makes perfect sense. It's also kind of ironic. He stopped him so he took his place.

 

[Eddie Brock]

One of the best...just behind Homecoming and Fallout!

 

[GhostPoet]

also..just a quick shout out for Peter. freakin COOLEST hero ever!!!!
Seriously...everytime we get to see him in action it's freakin awe inspiring.

 

[web-head5]

I think your theory confuses me.

yeah, when i finished typing it and proof read it, i figured it'd be hard to understand, but i just said **** it and sent it in anyway. it makes sense if you read it closely and numerously, but most prolly won't care that much about it...

 

[3 Dev Adam]

HEROES is interesting.

It uses all the comic book clichés we've known for years, but every time we try to guess what will happen next, the writers throw us a curveball and come up with a new twist.

No wonder it's so addictive.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

It was more enjoyable and satisfing than Ghost Rider was, and we didn't even see what was happening in the battle between Peter and Sylar.

I'd push it even more and say that it was more satisfying than almost every movie that came out, including the X-Men Trilogy. HEROES is exploring the themes that the guys who did X-Men shyed away.

 

[Poeman]

one of the best scenes up to now on this show!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JlWyfb0Wj1A

 

[blksuperman2]

one of the best scenes up to now on this show!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JlWyfb0Wj1A

Indeed

 

[fu manchu]

i know i'm late on writing my first comments on this episode. But lately I been feeling lazy. But whatever.

This was definately a great episode. It had me up to my seat with great anticipation on what will happen next. If season 5 will be close to this or better, I can't wait to see what happens in season 2.

clearly, (for me) the best scene was seeing Jessica struting her best assest. t: Someone should make a gif from that scene (if it has not been done yet). can't believe she charged $500 for a private dance. but i guess in the future thats how much it will cost.

Peter is such a badass and that scar is so freaky (I guess he's glad he can be invisible at times). But lucky bastard got jessica. IMO, it would been better if she ends up with Sylar (kinda like a Bonnie and Clyde).

Last few thoughts:
*Claire is hotter as a brunette.
*I wonder what the "Crane" power is.
*It was wierd to see Matt as the head of Homeland Security. I felt he could be a bad guy but I never thought it will be as another type of law enforcement.
*I also would like to see more of that battle between Peter and Sylar.
*Was peter using Ted's power or Claire mom's power (I forget what her name was)?
*So Peter is the real bomb and not Sylar.
*Can't wait to see Hiro stab Sylar.

 

[Abaddon]

it was Niki. Jessica "died"

 

[Frico]

one of the best scenes up to now on this show!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JlWyfb0Wj1A

Def

Peter = badass

 

[Mysterio]

*I wonder what the "Crane" power is.

what "Crane" power? did i miss something?

 

[fu manchu]

it was Niki. Jessica "died"

ohh yeah, i forgot. I just remember she was announced as jessica when she was going to dance on stage. my bad.

what "Crane" power? did i miss something?

The "Cranes" (was the name Hana gave them) was the family that HRG was helping at Primatech. The young boy had a power but they did not reveal his power. I wonder if he is the boy that sucked the oxygen out of the air and suffocated his entire middle school.

 

[Neptune]

FREAKING GREAT EPISODE!!! I never really liked Peter but i gotta admit, he was bad ass in this episode. When he freezed time i got goosebumps. Am i the only one that wasn't surprised when Nathan turned out to be Sylar. When Nathan said: "i know how things work" it just made it more obvious.
Overall, this was arguably the best episode so far. Only thing i didn't like was that Niki didn't do anything. I wanted to see Peter use her powers too.