Chapter 23 - "How To Stop An Exploding Man" - Discussion Thread 5/21/07

it was a trail of blood that led to the sewers where Sylar escape. The roach was symbolic because it's hard to kill, like Sylar.

I thought it was symbolism too, but it just keeps showing up way too often.

The thing I want to see more then anything else right now though, is who this new guy is that Molly is afraid of. It's gonna be bugging the crap out of me till next season. -_-
 
My question remains... why were they able to stop it!? No single other painting has not come true, but now a couple haven't (Ando didn't die either). I spent this whole season convinced it would happen, and now that it didn't i'm just confused.

Also, Hiro going into the past should screw everything up. They've set a precedence of backwards time-travel creating a divergent timeline.

Oh well... hopefully season 2 will answer these questions. There's so much left to wonder.
 
Parkman didn't die, did he? I thought he was just dyING that's why the put him in the ambulance instead of a bodybag
 
I'm pretty sure the only death here was Nathan. Yeah, some people think maybe he flew away, but no. He died. It would be cheap to have him survive.
 
Nice finale to "Volume 1" and I admit it, while I pretty much guess that Nathan would redeem himself at the end and that we'd get a little "fireworks display," I was still giddy with excitement, especially for the set-ups for next season. (Hiro finding himself in medeval Japan and seeing his hero Kensei ride up. "#@&!" indeed!) And no, I don't think Nathan is dead (he probably got flung away and is on a desserted island someplace with amensia would be my guess); Peter, considering how he can regenerate is DEFINITELY not dead; and I REALLY hope Parkman survives--although it was still a pretty bad-ass moment how Sylar took him out using his own bullets. It's also interesting that Peter absorbing Niki's power is what eventually overloaded him (although having absorbed Ted's powers was already one too many). And I also thought it was a nice touch that, even tough Sylar KNEW what was going to happen via Issac's ability and actually SAW the comic book that showed Hiro stabbing him, he was still arrogant enough to think Hiro wouldn't actually go through with it. I will admit I did expect more out of the Peter/Sylar fight though than Sylar using the "Darth Vader Force Choke Hold"
 
Will season 2 continue with the same characters minus the ones who were killed off or will everyone be replaced with new characters & a new storyline?
 
Will season 2 continue with the same characters minus the ones who were killed off or will everyone be replaced with new characters & a new storyline?
Hiro will definantly be back. I don't see where Niki and DL's storyline would go next season, so I'm not sure if they are.
I imagine Claire will be back, she said she wanted to go patrolling after this mess is over.
I see Parkman's story as over. Suresh is kinda the narrator and I think he would want to recreate his fathers list, or at least document the types of powers out there. I'd think Molly would stay with him, they have a close bond, and her powers can help him track people down. Sylar, well... who knows. I know he is back next season, but who knows when. I imagine Peter could be in France right now or someplace far.
Mama Petrelli could be a major villian next season, if they will ever reveal her power.

Most will return, but I think the ones whose storyline is over with will either not return, or return later in the season when they are dragged back into the storyline.
 
Will season 2 continue with the same characters minus the ones who were killed off or will everyone be replaced with new characters & a new storyline?

I remember hearing from a press release something like it will be new characters with some cameos and other things, most of the stories for the heroes have been finished so it would make sense to have new ones for a new season.

I didn't really like the twist at the end, and everything seemed anti-climatic.
 
Want a list of the things that sucked about the episode?

1) Security guards not being able to find the three "Minorities abound" family in the Lindermin building after he was killed. That place would of been locked down and had poliece surrounding it in minutes.

Well, it is New York City, so that automatically slow response time by the police right there. :D

2) DL would of died. Fast. None of that walking around and being like "ohh this hurts!" bit. He would of died in Nikki's arm's like it was showing at the end of last episode.

Yeah, I kept wondering "Why doesn't he just temporarily phase and let the bullet fall out?" Sure, it wouldn't reduce the bleeding, but it would reduce the chance of infection.

3) Parkman going to kill Sylar alone. He already shot him with a full clip in one of the first episodes and he survived, or did the writers forget that because they changed so much of what they were gonna do with the show.

Well, I agree Parkman was a total fool thinking he could take on Sylar by himself, especially when he went alone to Issac's loft. However, he probably thought he could get a few lucky shots off while Sylar was busy doing the "Darth Vader choke hold" and didn't realize Sylar had acquired super-hearing along the way. After all, I would think because of Sylar's super-hearing he would be able to hear Matt come up behind him and shoot his gun.

4) The little girl going off about how theres someone more scary than Sylar.
It's called setting up Season 2.

5) Suresh not getting shot or hurt at all. He should of died. Long ago.
He's the narrator of the show, and you don't kill off the narrator.

6) Nikki, for NO REASON WHATSOEVER, stopped Sylar from beating Peters head in with a parking meter.
Oh, like she's just going to stand by and watch somebody get their ass wooped when she's got strong enough to rip a person apart with her bare hands? If she had remained as Jessica then maybe.

7) Clair not being able to shoot Peter, when he obviously would of survived.
If you've been paying attention, it's been well established that the only way to effectively "kill" Claire or Peter is when an object penetrated their head. If it's something large like a tree root or a piece of glass, then it can be easily pulled out and they'll be resurrected. If it's something smaller that could get logged in the skull, like a bullet for example, then they'd stay dead. And remember Peter told Claire that the only way to kill him was a head shot. Mr. Bennet also knew a shot to the head could kill Peter as well, which is why he was going to do it. Claire, being that she's only 16 and given the task of killing the man who saved her life and her uncle is naturally going to hesitate I would think.

8) Peter not being able to fly away when he was about to explode.
Remember Suresh described Peter's abilities being like a sponge? Well, a sponge can only hold so much. Also, Claude told Peter that if he absorbed too many powers that he would end up losing control, hence why he trained him in the first place. Absorbing Ted's power all ready made him on the breaking point and absorbing Nikki's put him over the edge. He's inability to fly was due to the fact that it took every ounce of his will to keep himself from exploding.

The whole "Sylar got away / was dragged into the sewer!" bit. Should of just had his body disappear and not make any mention of it. He's in the next season as a regular, probably going to go through some "anti-hero" changes, but seriously.
Well if Sylar's body was just gone, then the question would be how did he get away after being stabbed? Besides, it a bone-fide rule that the villain somehow survives to seek revenge.

11) No big "Peter VS. Sylar fight". It was like 15 seconds, and Peter was getting help from all kinda of people randomly.
Yeah, that was pretty weak, but hey, it's a TV show not a major motion picture. A full-on special-effects throw down a la Matrix Revolutions would have been way too expensive.

I could probably go on if I wanted to. But seriously, NBC screwed the pooch by not airing last weeks and this weeks episodes in 1 2hr season finale. If they did, it would of been MUCH better. There was a lot of action and an "epic" feel to last weeks ep. This one felt more like a "Ah ****, we were only signed on for 23 ep's for the season? Alright, lets just lump everyone together and throw some glaring mis-characterizations out there and hope no one notices because, get this, we'll throw Hiro in Fuduel Japan at the end!"

Yes, it did feel pretty rushed at the end as a result, I'll agree with you there. Still, it did wrap up things and introduce new plot lines such as What's Mama Petrelli's next move now that her and Linderman's plan went bust? Who is the bigger threat than Sylar? Whose Sylar going to seek revenge against first? Did Nathan survive? And where is Peter? And how long is Hiro going to be stuck in 1671 Japan? BTW, is it supposed to be established now that Hiro's dad WAS Kensei, meaning that his power is that he's immortal or that he has declerated aging?
 
Im going to say it now, Nathan isn't dead.
 
This episode was totally anticlimatic. Worst episode EVER.

BTW, what's with the Monster Lag at this boards?
 
Hiro will definantly be back. I don't see where Niki and DL's storyline would go next season, so I'm not sure if they are.
I imagine Claire will be back, she said she wanted to go patrolling after this mess is over.
I see Parkman's story as over. Suresh is kinda the narrator and I think he would want to recreate his fathers list, or at least document the types of powers out there. I'd think Molly would stay with him, they have a close bond, and her powers can help him track people down. Sylar, well... who knows. I know he is back next season, but who knows when. I imagine Peter could be in France right now or someplace far.
Mama Petrelli could be a major villian next season, if they will ever reveal her power.

Most will return, but I think the ones whose storyline is over with will either not return, or return later in the season when they are dragged back into the storyline.

I actually read somewhere that Peter, Claire, Nikki, AND yes even Nathan would be in Season 2. Although I agree that I really can't see where Niki's story could go next season because, essentially, the finale made it appear as though she has got a handle on "Jessica" and no longer needs her. Same with Nathan as his character arc of choosing brotherly love and self-sacrifice over personal ambition came to an end. And I'd imagine Matt could've survived since, assuming he was still shot in the events that led up to "Five Years Gone" where he was still alive and well.

EDIT: Also, it looks like Ando won't be around for awhile, and after all, Hiro's and Ando's journey ended on a very nice note, I thought.
 
It was good, but disappointing as well. How is it that Sylar gets all these powers and can control and master them so good? He took ted's power but both ted and peter couldn't control the atomic power. It's silly. Ted should've stayed around. A character with potential, and they wasted him. Hated he was took out so easily by sylar. With all that power Ted had he should've been able to fight sylar off.

Sylar also surviving was BS. Now that was plain stupid, considering you have a special agent there in Bennett, who's had training for dealing with the specials, and yet he gets to his feet and doesn't go to make sure Sylar is dead? The man was supposed to put a couple of bullets in his head or at least send Claire to do it if he was still weak from getting slammed into the wall.


Peter vs Sylar???? What happened? Another let down. Can no one stand up to this man? I can buy a group of people having a hard time if peter wasn't there, but he has more powers then sylar, but sylar owns him everytime. Man I want to see Sylar get a beat down, where he has to run for his life. Hopfully this new threat or villian will do just that. I would like to also see Sylar get his butt kicked when he underestimates a special who's power he tries to steal and they fight him off.
 
It seems like this person molly is afraid of is next seasons linderman. I really hope we get to see a Peter Vs Sylar fight next season.
 
Peter met Nikki
Peter was near DL
Peter was near Micah
Peter was near Molly
& combine that with Sylars other newly gained powers since they last met

Im sure he will eventually find out they all had powers

Peter is now a Super Powered Mofo
 
I actually don't think the Peter VS. Sylar fight was that anti-climactic. Way I see it, this was only the end of the very beginning. You save the more epic foghts for later installments.
 
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the one thing no-ones seems to have mentioned is the sheer amount of fallout an airburst nuclear bomb would cause. Everyone in new york would still die from radiation poisoning. It would simply be a more slow and painful death
 
It was a pretty toned down episode. No big action packed moments. How did Matt become so stupid? And Dl shouldn't even be standing.

Yeah DL should be dead from one bullet but Matt taking five and living is ok :whatever:


Peter can obviously use more than one power, or he would of been dead by now. Hello being invisible and getting glass throw into the back of his head like 4 episodes ago? I think it's pretty safe to say that Peter and Claire can't die unless they get decapitated or something along those lines.

He wasn't using more than one power at a time, though. He was "dead" when the glass hit him. He didn't heal until Claire pulled the glass out of his head.
 
I actually read somewhere that Peter, Claire, Nikki, AND yes even Nathan would be in Season 2. Although I agree that I really can't see where Niki's story could go next season because, essentially, the finale made it appear as though she has got a handle on "Jessica" and no longer needs her. Same with Nathan as his character arc of choosing brotherly love and self-sacrifice over personal ambition came to an end. And I'd imagine Matt could've survived since, assuming he was still shot in the events that led up to "Five Years Gone" where he was still alive and well.

EDIT: Also, it looks like Ando won't be around for awhile, and after all, Hiro's and Ando's journey ended on a very nice note, I thought.
the events that led up to Five Years Gone included the death of Claire. Five Years Gone was just a possible future, not a predetermined one. as for Parkman...

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Jason Fliess returns with a question this week. "This past episode's reunion of Jessica and Matt reminded me of Matt's theft of the diamonds. Are we ever going to see the consequences of that theft, either legally or in Matt's marriage?" [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Been a lot going on in Matt’s life and his taking off in episode 16 after his wife calls him out on it will have ramifications. That’s all we can tell you for now.[/FONT]

http://comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10616

"will have ramifications" is pretty vague, though.

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and speaking of FutureHiro..."Save the cheerleader, save the world." FH believed that Sylar was able to regenerate after being stabbed because Sylar had killed Claire and taken her ability. in FH's world, Claire's death meant that Nathan would never have met her. Since Peter was really the bomb in FH's time, maybe Nathan meeting and knowing Claire is what made the difference? after all, Nathan's words were about saving the world.
 
Very nice. The two brothers and their sacrifice; biblical. Star Wars, StarTrek, Superman, Kesei, Hiro Nakamura. **** yeah. What was that line in Darkman? He's a cockroach, you think you kill him, and he pops up somewhere else!
 

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