[BLACKOUT]Even so, would you compare an actor like Michael Massee to Guy Pearce? IM3 didn't make a complete disaster out of that twist because they played it off as a joke (even though everything in the film was made to be the butt of joke), but I don't think they successfully executed that idea nor was it a great idea to begin with.[/BLACKOUT]
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Chris Cooper IS Norman Osborn
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[BLACKOUT]Even so, would you compare an actor like Michael Massee to Guy Pearce? IM3 didn't make a complete disaster out of that twist because they played it off as a joke (even though everything in the film was made to be the butt of joke), but I don't think they successfully executed that idea nor was it a great idea to begin with.[/BLACKOUT]
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[blackout]For me it worked because it had the right context, the one of a terrorist and how the USA and the world likes to demonize certain individuals instead of entire mentalities. The execution was shoddy, yes, but the twist itself worked, imo.[/blackout]
Still, I think the Chameleon/Norman twist would be puss.
Still, I think the Chameleon/Norman twist would be puss.
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Massee would be perfect for the role imo, it doesn't matter if he's not an A-list actor status-wise. He is still a pretty darn good actor
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Maybe Massee is the Goblin and Cooper is Norman. What if the shift is like that. More Jekyll and Hyde than Man to Goblin
With that said, so is Cooper.
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Pretty much everyone attached to this franchise is great.
on a side note, walmart has ASM1 packaged in a two pack with ghost rider: spirit of vengeance.... It is like they want to make me feel bad.
on a side note, walmart has ASM1 packaged in a two pack with ghost rider: spirit of vengeance.... It is like they want to make me feel bad.
Ok, so this is what I'm getting from the past dozen or so posts...
- One suggestion is that the Cameleon came into the Parker's house disguised as Dad and distracted Peter with a game of tag. Possible yes, but would they really use that scene in a future movie? Not so sure. Simply Osborn had someone break in and try to find the file. I would imagine that Peter was not allowed in that office so he wouldn't have been an issue (remember, window was open). Plus they didn't show us Peter being "tricked" to go play tag, so it's likely not something they'll reference in a future movie...
- I've got some to agree that the man in the shadows is an important character. It was also obvious that Connors knew him (almost as though he worked for him...). Would the Cameleon be considered important at the end of ASM1? Would Connors know who the Cameleon was? If Massee was the Cameleon I think he would have had to be pretending to be someone else, meaning he's really the other character. So if it was the Cameleon in the shadows then he was pretending to be someone else, like Osborn (or it was all in Connors' head).
- The voice. Go listen to Massee again. He wasn't doing a Cameleon voice. He was doing a Norman Osborn-ish voice IMO. A voice that could be turned into the voice of the Green Goblin.
- Is there confirmation at this point that Cooper is Osborn?
- Some have said maybe Massee is a minor role that can pop up here and there, but isn't actually cast? That makes no sense. Why cast Massee in ASM1 but have him as the same character, but not listed as cast in ASM2? Makes more sense that they got rid of him.
This idea of Cooper is the Cameleon, but he's Osborn, but Massee is really Osborn, doesn't make any sense. Osborn is Osborn and everyone knows what he looks like. Maybe the Cameleon would pose as him while he is incapacitated, but he would look like Osborn. Meaning either Massee was in the shadows as Osborn (Connors knew him) and something has sence changed so Osborn will now be Cooper (and Massee is gone) or Cooper is not Osborn and Massee is.
The main point is that the man in shadows was very important and not just some luetenant for Osborn. It makes much more sense that Connors would be yelling at Osborn to stay away from Peter, not at some underling. I really can't see who else the man in shadows was...
Some have said Electro - well that's not right...
Some have said Mysterio - realy, Mysterio?...
Some have said the Cameleon pretending to be Osborn, which means that Massee is Osborn (since the Cameleon would have looked like the actor that would be Osborn).
And some, like me, think Massee was cast as Osborn and maybe they have since recast him to be Cooper.
Um, how come no one has reached out to Massee or his people to ask about this?
- One suggestion is that the Cameleon came into the Parker's house disguised as Dad and distracted Peter with a game of tag. Possible yes, but would they really use that scene in a future movie? Not so sure. Simply Osborn had someone break in and try to find the file. I would imagine that Peter was not allowed in that office so he wouldn't have been an issue (remember, window was open). Plus they didn't show us Peter being "tricked" to go play tag, so it's likely not something they'll reference in a future movie...
- I've got some to agree that the man in the shadows is an important character. It was also obvious that Connors knew him (almost as though he worked for him...). Would the Cameleon be considered important at the end of ASM1? Would Connors know who the Cameleon was? If Massee was the Cameleon I think he would have had to be pretending to be someone else, meaning he's really the other character. So if it was the Cameleon in the shadows then he was pretending to be someone else, like Osborn (or it was all in Connors' head).
- The voice. Go listen to Massee again. He wasn't doing a Cameleon voice. He was doing a Norman Osborn-ish voice IMO. A voice that could be turned into the voice of the Green Goblin.
- Is there confirmation at this point that Cooper is Osborn?
- Some have said maybe Massee is a minor role that can pop up here and there, but isn't actually cast? That makes no sense. Why cast Massee in ASM1 but have him as the same character, but not listed as cast in ASM2? Makes more sense that they got rid of him.
This idea of Cooper is the Cameleon, but he's Osborn, but Massee is really Osborn, doesn't make any sense. Osborn is Osborn and everyone knows what he looks like. Maybe the Cameleon would pose as him while he is incapacitated, but he would look like Osborn. Meaning either Massee was in the shadows as Osborn (Connors knew him) and something has sence changed so Osborn will now be Cooper (and Massee is gone) or Cooper is not Osborn and Massee is.
The main point is that the man in shadows was very important and not just some luetenant for Osborn. It makes much more sense that Connors would be yelling at Osborn to stay away from Peter, not at some underling. I really can't see who else the man in shadows was...
Some have said Electro - well that's not right...
Some have said Mysterio - realy, Mysterio?...
Some have said the Cameleon pretending to be Osborn, which means that Massee is Osborn (since the Cameleon would have looked like the actor that would be Osborn).
And some, like me, think Massee was cast as Osborn and maybe they have since recast him to be Cooper.
Um, how come no one has reached out to Massee or his people to ask about this?
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The game of hide and seek was a metaphor for Peter searching for the truth about his parents, his dad in particular.
You people.
You people.
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Nah it's official. The official FB profile for Amazing Spider-Man announced it as well.
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I dont know about you guys but id rather not speculate I really like the mystery of it all, id like to see what happens when this movie comes out all i have to say is this is pretty interesting
The Chameleon is not just some lieutenant for Osborn, nor some underling. These concepts don't help to illustrate his importance. It's not that simple. Another way of thinking of it would be something like Lex Luthor went and hired the Joker to kill Superman. The Joker wouldn't be considered lex's underling in this situation.
Done right he could be, but lets say on par with Lex from Superman 1978.
Close enough. Even if not important, Massee as the Chameleon made a good impression.
Close enough. Even if not important, Massee as the Chameleon made a good impression.
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From what we know, Norman hasn't been seen in public for years, if ever. (even his hologram model was obscured/questionably indistinguishable)
So it would be safe to assume no one, except a select few (including Harry, but who knows) knows what he looks like. So if someone else were to pose as him, no one, at least most, be the wiser.
So it would be safe to assume no one, except a select few (including Harry, but who knows) knows what he looks like. So if someone else were to pose as him, no one, at least most, be the wiser.
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Michael Massee as Mysterio or The Chameleon gets my vote.
If Webb still says "there may be more forces at work" from ASM Man in Shadows commentary part then I hope he sticks to his word & delivers a reasonable role for this much talked about character.
Mysterio or The Chameleon may suit Massee's acting ability.
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If Webb still says "there may be more forces at work" from ASM Man in Shadows commentary part then I hope he sticks to his word & delivers a reasonable role for this much talked about character.
Mysterio or The Chameleon may suit Massee's acting ability.
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Massee - Chameleon?
Feore - Vulture?
Giamatti - Rhino
Dehann or Cooper - Goblin
Foxx - Electro
Ifans - Lizard
Sinister Six
Feore - Vulture?
Giamatti - Rhino
Dehann or Cooper - Goblin
Foxx - Electro
Ifans - Lizard
Sinister Six
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Ahh that would be cooool man. I'd have someone other than Chameleon but Colm looks good as Vulture. You think he'll play Adrian Toomes or Blackie Drago? Haha
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Personally I wouldn't have the Lizard as part of the Sinister Six. He doesn't seem like a good fit imo.
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yeah but harry should know what he looks like, so unless we have no 1 on 1 interaction between harry and Norman then its harder to say someone else is pretending to be norman because no one knows what he looks like
they would have to give us wooden interaction or no interaction between harry and norman, otherwise it wouldn't work
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