The Dark Knight Chris Nolan needs to step up the action.

[7Hells]

im sorry your asking WHY we would want to see batman be a badass?

No, I'm asking WHY you missed the first half of the movie showing him be a badass.

 

[xxshady]

No, I'm asking WHY you missed the first half of the movie showing him be a badass.

exactly.

 

[7Hells]

I didn't miss it, but that was Bruce Wayne being a badass, not Batman.

That wasnt his/her point.
His/her point in their previous post was that we dont know if Batman is a badass fighter because we never saw him fight.

 

[xwolverine2]

No, I'm asking WHY you missed the first half of the movie showing him be a badass.

what?...i dont understand you...

you mean when hes bruce?.....
that was before his training...he was just mindless rage.

when hes batman all you see are quick ***** slap shots.... i like the keysi(or w/e) fighting style that was on the special features.HELL i didnt even KNOW they were fighting like that until i saw the special features.mix it up a bit and show it...

 

[7Hells]

Before, during and when he fought the supposed Ra's.

 

[xwolverine2]

Before, during and when he fought the supposed Ra's.

1.thats bruce

2.that was a sword fight.

3.i prefer the actual ras fight at the end....

my point is they could have done the fight scene with the thugs alot better and clearer....i hope they improve it for BB2

 

[heypapajinx]

i do not agree.
maybe they could actually step DOWN all the action and just make it a romance. ooo!! a romantic comedy!! yeah!!

 

[xwolverine2]

i do not agree.
maybe they could actually step DOWN all the action and just make it a romance. ooo!! a romantic comedy!! yeah!!

joel schumacher?...is that you?

HES COME BACK FOR REVENGE!!

 

[Jack Napier]

Does anyone think they'll slow down the pace for BB2? In BB, the story sometimes was being told too fast, and I didn't like it at first but through repeat viewings I got used to it. They had a whole origin story to tell, so that's understandable. But there were scenes where Bruce gets hurdled out of a truck immediately after Ducard talks to him, the training montage was pretty quick, and where Rachel veers off the road to take Bruce to Falcone's. Did anyone else get the feeling that the story was moving way too fast sometimes?

I'm wondering if they'll take their time with the sequel, knowing that it's been set up already.

 

[heypapajinx]

joel schumacher?...is that you?

HES COME BACK FOR REVENGE!!

oh, you've got me!
*slaps some rubber nipples on you*
now dance for me puppet! DANCE!

 

[XCharlieX]

And how does choppiness = "a real struggle between the fighters"? That doesn't make sense.

...When has anyone ever written to a comic-book publisher to complain that the action is "too visible" or some such thing? To make that kind of comment about a Batman movie seems ridiculous.

There is a fundamental difference between actually being in a fight and watching one on film. If you're actually in a fight you both feel it and see the action from various angles at once, through your peripheral vision. Your senses are fully engaged and the adrenalin is pumping. This sensation explosion cannot be duplicated on film merely by choppy editing.

Charlie, tell me something: What did you appreciate about the fight choreography?

I can understand folks not liking the fight sequence style, as it is one that isnt common in films and folks may just want the regular fashion. However there is one issue that i found Nolan avoided by doing this in the film and it has to do with the setup of this particular mysterious fighting style and a creative reaction to previous fight sequences in a batman film.

First of all, when Bruce Wayne enters the League of Shadows secret cottage in the mountains, Ras Al Ghul made it apparent that all of what Bruce was taught before he got there was nonsense in comparison to the secret form they knew up there. It was a mixture of all fighting styles that could take on a multitude of people at once. Not only this, but the style evolves for the individual based on the opponents tendencies.

"You can take on 6 men. We can teach you how to engage 600."

"Looks familiar, dont you have anything new?"

Nolans reasoning was that in order for this fighting style to be believed, there needed to be a technique used that nobody has ever seen before.

...Bringing me to the previous films. Burtons films are great, but even there you can see that the fighting is obviously choreographed. Especially in Batman Returns, some folks bend over, throw a slow punch or jump into the proper position to be grabbed by batman, in particular the sword swallower. Chris Nolan bypassed these issues of choreography filmed almost non stop and created a style in which the fighting looked like hes hitting 3 people at once.

And finally, the fighting of Keaton would be classified as martial arts mainly it looks like. And to this day most of the fighting in Batman Begins doesnt look the slightest choreographed now does it? Can you identify the fighting style as simple karate? It works for me. Not only this, but he used the camera to make it look like something from a live camera or such... something people correlate to visceral and actually happening, like from the news or such. There are small mind tricks directors like this use to sell the ideas and while it may not make sense to you, this type of instinct is necessary.

This is why i know some folks who said Batman Begins batman would kick the stuffings out of Keatons, which i dont compare but seems to me the editing style with the setup for Begins worked like a charm.

 

[Galactical]

Anybody see Ong Bak? I want that, but with batman doing it.

 

[kytrigger]

Anybody see Ong Bak? I want that, but with batman doing it.

Tony Jaa for Robin...

 

[Galactical]

Tony Jaa could beat Chuck Norris

 

[thedarks0ldier]

The dialogue in the first movie and the story is what made it great. The best action was in the beginning and during the chase. More action doesnt mean less story, and making the fight scene's more enjoyable to watch does not dumb down a film. Fight Club had great fight scenes, (which i wouldnt mind having some slow-mo in the next flim) As long as they don't do Wire-fu and or Matrix Bullet time slow-mo.

But the fights in a movie should not leave you wanting more. On the reverse they should not overkill it. They should not tease you and then not fulfil.

I find nothing wrong in having more enjoyable action, but if the choppy quick fighting is what we have to live with then i'll accept it (which if you've ever been in a fight you would know that it is really boring to see)

 

[XCharlieX]

(which if you've ever been in a fight you would know that it is really boring to see)

I would think overchoreographed type of scenes would be quite phoney in this respect. Thats how I see it.

 

[thedarks0ldier]

I would think overchoreographed type of scenes would be quite phoney in this respect. Thats how I see it.

Those are too. Fights like in Kill Bill are fun to watch (Which i dont want for a Batman Film)


PS. POST 900!!!

 

[GEDRedemption]

Does anyone think they'll slow down the pace for BB2? In BB, the story sometimes was being told too fast, and I didn't like it at first but through repeat viewings I got used to it. They had a whole origin story to tell, so that's understandable. But there were scenes where Bruce gets hurdled out of a truck immediately after Ducard talks to him, the training montage was pretty quick, and where Rachel veers off the road to take Bruce to Falcone's. Did anyone else get the feeling that the story was moving way too fast sometimes?

I'm wondering if they'll take their time with the sequel, knowing that it's been set up already.

Did you really want to see him wake up, get his bag, be escourted out of the prison guided into a truck, drive several miles and then be pushed out?

 

[saint sinner x]

The fighting in kill bill vol.2 had alot of impact it made me say "DANM" that was crazy I really hope Nolan fixes this problem. I had no problem with the batmobile chase scene but I believed he could of done it better like make a helicopter blow up or something.The batchase scene that I hated the most was the part where Batman turned off his lights on the batmobile and the helicopter lost visual I said to myself "What kind of police helicopter doesn't have nightvision". Seriously that part was lame, Batman Begins is bad ass and is the best superhero movie ever but in terms of action and logic in some cases it fails in comparison to x-men 2 or hell even spiderman.

 

[XCharlieX]

The batchase scene that I hated the most was the part where Batman turned off his lights on the batmobile and the helicopter lost visual I said to myself "What kind of police helicopter doesn't have nightvision".

That pretty much is the part where they cant just state every detail about the car imo. So they just use the general concept which i think some folks find a screw up because its a movie: The idea was brand new technology where cammouflaging was possible like shown, and if that means nightvision is useless then thats what it is.. what you see is what you get. imo if the guy lost him, then he tried everything.

Stealth mode can mean it covers many things. IMO its a perfect approach to it, not painting it into a corner by fleshing it out too far.

 

[explode7]

Why does most of the members on this forum has the letter x in their name???

 

[XCharlieX]

X-men

 

[explode7]

Oh by the way Bale lost on Celeb Death Match Friday.

 

[Sharkboy]

^that sucks who did he lose too? adam west? ah i can live with that.

i totally agree with the action thing, i completly understand what nolan was going for, and it felt brutal and ass-kicking. but i do agree that they need to tone it down a bit to let us see whats going on. I fully realised that when i didnt understand what was happening during the Ra's vs bats final fight on train.

 

[The Only Woj]

the action was fine, it was the cinematography that was the problem. and it wasn't really a problem. they were going for the "bad guy" perspective of this, being right up next to Batman and being helpless because he's so fast and strong. in the sequel, I don't think Nolan will revisit that same style, if only because he's already done it and may want to try something new. I wouldn't mind it being from Batman's perspective. we're with him as he's in the shadows and going after the guys. give us a better angle on the action so we can see that there are actually blows being thrown and landed, and not just the camera shaking all over the place an inch from someone's shoulder.