Christ In Christmas

Well, it is nice that people take the day to spend time with family and friends and all, but the real meaning of Christmas does get lost. So many focus on the material part of it instead of the real reason for Christmas, it would be nice if there would be more focus on Christ during a holiday that celebrates his birth.
I get annoyed when the stores start putting stuff out early. Most of the time Christmas doesn't feel like Christmas to me until we go to Mass on Christmas Eve and they have the kids act out the Nativity and we sing Christmas carols, the ones about Jesus. Then it feels more like what it's supposed to be and I feel better. I get a greater sense of the Holy Spirit there when everyone sings then I do in a store. :p
 
But most religious holidays involve ritual. Just hanging out with your family isn't ritual. In a way, now it's like having a secular ritual.:o
I don't know. It seems to me that so few families take the time out to really sit down and spend some quality time together. Just getting together like that can be a ritual. :)
 
I'm just happy I can truly celebrate it IMO the right way this season, because the last 13 have been terrible.
 
I get annoyed when the stores start putting stuff out early. Most of the time Christmas doesn't feel like Christmas to me until we go to Mass on Christmas Eve and they have the kids act out the Nativity and we sing Christmas carols, the ones about Jesus. Then it feels more like what it's supposed to be and I feel better. I get a greater sense of the Holy Spirit there when everyone sings then I do in a store. :p

Oh, believe me, I agree. While I do enjoy shopping for gifts for my loved ones, that really doesn't mean much...the gifts that is. It's just a nice gesture for the holidays, but you get the real meaning closer to Christmas like you said. When you take time to reflect on the birth of Christ and then also even when you spend time with family and friends.
 
I wish Christmas would just be given back to Christians as a Holy Day, and stop being a secular holiday.

So in other words you want the unbelievers to lay off "your" day and not celebrate and be joyful?

So do I. The day is supposed to be about celebrating the life of an important man, not going broke buying presents for people. I wish it was more like Thanksgiving, where you spend time with your families over a nice big meal and that's it. I think if Jesus were alive, he'd rather we do that then feed the commercial machine. :(

Well, it is nice that people take the day to spend time with family and friends and all, but the real meaning of Christmas does get lost. So many focus on the material part of it instead of the real reason for Christmas, it would be nice if there would be more focus on Christ during a holiday that celebrates his birth.

Yeah, yeah, I know Christmas is about celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ, but in that we celebrate the spirit of giving, a relatively simple moral that many forget. Too many focus on the getting or on Christ during this season, and in doing so they forget the reason for all that.

First off, no one can get anything if no one gives anything. Second (and more to the point), the story of Jesus Christ, whether you take it as fact or not, is about giving. God gave mankind His only Son. The wise men bestowed three gifts upon the infant Christ. Jesus gave His mortal life for the sins of humanity. So in a way to mirror that, we give gifts to each other during this time of year. Sure, Nintendo Wiis and Starbucks Gift Cards pale in comparison to gold and frankincense or eternal salvation, but it's the best we've got, and it's truly the thought that counts.

I like that Christmas is an almost universal holiday, and sure the mass commercialism is annoying (as if the idiots beating each other in store aisles for laughing muppets), but you take the bad with the good, and realize that the giving and happiness takes precendence over the Coca Cola polar bears and 5-8am Three Hour Sales.

Please, think before you say you want that taken away from others, give someone you love a nice gift, share some goodwill, and of course, have a merry Christmas.
 
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Yeah, yeah, I know Christmas is about celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ, but in that we celebrate the spirit of giving, a relatively simple moral that many forget. Too many focus on the getting or on Christ during this season, and in doing so they forget the reason for all that.

First off, no one can get anything if no one gives anything. Second (and more to the point), the story of Jesus Christ, whether you take it as fact or not, is about giving. God gave mankind His only Son. The wise men bestowed three gifts upon the infant Christ. Jesus gave His mortal life for the sins of humanity. So in a way to mirror that, we give gifts to each other during this time of year. Sure, Nintendo Wiis and Starbucks Gift Cards pale in comparison to gold and frankincense or eternal salvation, but it's the best we've got, and it's truly the thought that counts.

I do agree that it is nice that we all give each other gifts and we get that joy from giving. Nothing wrong with that at all. It's a wonderful thing. But, what I meant with my posts is that some people focus just on that instead of focusing on everything as a whole: Reflecting on Christ, spending time with family and friends, the giving spirit, etc. I just say that those who celebrate Christmas should focus on everything Christmas is about and not single out just one thing. We should strive to attain joy from every aspect of the Holiday. :yay:
 
So in other words you want the unbelievers to lay off "your" day and not celebrate and be joyful?
I never said it was *my* day. :huh: I would like to see it be restored as an important day to Christians and just another day to everyone else. Like Chanukah is to the Jews. They get to enjoy their holy days as just that, holy days and not some big commercial circus that people go broke over or complain about on message boards.
 
As we celebrate this season, let all who will, reflect on what this season is all about. :yay: Merry Christmas to all. This is a great article just for that reason.


Christmas
Come, Celebrate Christ



by Hank Hanegraaff
[SIZE=+1]E[/SIZE]ach year as the Christmas season approaches, people from all over North America call the Bible Answer Man broadcast asking the same question: Should Christians participate in celebrating Christmas?
Many fear that because Christmas is celebrated on December 25 they might inadvertently be commemorating the birthday of a pagan Roman god.
Nothing could be further from the truth. While we do not know the exact date that Christ was born, we do know why the early Christian church chose to celebrate Christmas on December 25. The church was not Christianizing a pagan festival, but was establishing the celebration of the birth of Christ as a rival celebration.
Today the world has all but forgotten about the pagan gods of Rome. But at least a billion people today consider themselves to be followers of Jesus Christ and celebrate that reality every Christmas. Tragically, in a post-Christian America, multitudes are once again using Christmas to worship a pagan god-a god called commercialism. To focus our attention on the real reason for the season I've developed the acronym
C-H-R-I-S-T-M-A-S.

C stands for the person who alone gives Christmas eternal significance -- Christ our Lord. The name Christ means "Anointed" and the title Christ points to his role as Lord, and Son of God. If Jesus is not the Christ of your life, celebrating the birth of an obscure Jewish carpenter's son is ultimately meaningless.

H stands for history. The birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ are not myths or fantasies -- they are historical realities. That God cloaked himself in human flesh is a verifiable historical fact. While many still debate the meaning of Christ's life, few question its historicity. As the apostle Peter put it, "We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty" (2 Peter 1:16).

R stands for rejoice. Christmas songs demonstrate that rejoicing has always been the focal point of Christmas. We rejoice not for earthly vanities, but for eternal verities. A gift of gold may last until we die. The gift of God will last for all eternity. Jesus said, "rejoice that your names are written in heaven" (Luke 10:20). Likewise, the psalmist David says, "rejoice in your salvation" (Psalm 9:14).

I stands for incarnation, a word which describes that glorious event in which God became man. In the incarnation Christ cloaked himself in human flesh. Although he took on the limitations of humanity, Christ did not divest himself of a single attribute of deity. As man, he was our representative -- the second Adam. As God, his death was sufficient to provide redemption for all humanity. Paul writes, "God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross (Colossians 1:19-20).

S stands for Saint Nicholas, the fourth-century Bishop of Myra whose life exemplifies faithfulness and charity. Santa Claus is an anglicized form of the Dutch Sinter Klaas, which in turn means "Saint Nicholas." Saint Nicholas attended the Council of Nicea and supported the doctrine of the Trinity. He was kind toward children and often gave them gifts. While Santa Claus in its present form is a fairy tale, Christians can look to the real Saint Nicholas as a genuine hero of the Christian faith.

T stands for tradition. Many Christmas traditions developed as reminders of Christ. The Christmas tree, for example, symbolizes that Christ brings us eternal life (evergreen) and is the light of the world (lights). This tradition originated in Germany from a Paradise tree symbolizing the tree of life and a pyramid holding Christmas figurines. In the 16th century, these traditions were combined into the Christmas tree.
Some claim the Christmas tree is a pagan tradition forbidden in Jeremiah 10:2-4. At first blush this may sound plausible. However, a careful reading demonstrates that God is condemning idols that are carved from wood and used for worship. Rather than referring to Christmas trees he is ridiculing idols that can neither walk nor talk.

M stands for the magi who serve as an enduring reminder that no one is too wealthy, wise or worldly to leave all to follow Christ. As they worshiped him with gifts of gold, incense and myrrh, we, too, are called to worship him by offering ourselves as living sacrifices. Some disparage the giving of gifts by claiming that the wise men gave gifts to Christ -- not to one another. That, however, misses the point. Christ himself tells us that when we give to others we are giving to him (Matthew 25:31-46).

A stands for advent, a word referring to Christ's coming (from the Latin adventus, "coming"). Christmas is a celebration of Christ's coming in the town of Bethlehem.
The advent season begins four weeks before Christmas and is designed to turn our hearts from the commercialism of the culture to a celebration of Christ's coming.
This time of joyful anticipation not only serves as a celebration of the Christmas season but serves as a celebration of Jesus Christ's second coming. While once Christ came as a babe in Bethlehem, he will return as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

S stands for salvation. The gospel story is simple yet profound. It is not found in religion but in a relationship with God. Christ became flesh to restore the relationship broken by sin.
Sin separates us from God and separates us from others. Scripture says, "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).
God is the perfect Father who loves us with an everlasting love, but he is also the perfect Judge whose very nature is too pure to tolerate sin. His love and justice are reconciled through the person and work of Jesus Christ. Jesus died to be our Savior and lives to be our Lord.
As our Savior, he lived the perfect life that we could never live and offers his perfection as an absolutely free gift -- we cannot earn or deserve it, we can only live a life of gratitude for the gift he so freely offers us. As Lord, Christ gives our lives meaning, purpose and direction.
This is particularly exciting when you stop to realize that the one who desires to be the Lord of your life is the very one who spoke and the universe leapt into existence.
The Bible says, "If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9).
To make Jesus Christ the Savior and Lord of your life this Christmas season, you need to take two steps. The one is repent, the other is receive.
Repentance means a U-turn on the road of life -- a change of heart and a change of mind. Jesus says, "The time has come, the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news!" (Mark 1:15).
To demonstrate true belief means a willingness to receive. To truly receive means to trust in Jesus Christ alone to be the Lord of our lives here and now and our Savior for all eternity.
As the angel announced to the shepherds, "I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord. This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger" (Luke 2:10-12).

Merry Christmas to my brothers and sisters in faith!
 
I do agree that it is nice that we all give each other gifts and we get that joy from giving. Nothing wrong with that at all. It's a wonderful thing. But, what I meant with my posts is that some people focus just on that instead of focusing on everything as a whole: Reflecting on Christ, spending time with family and friends, the giving spirit, etc. I just say that those who celebrate Christmas should focus on everything Christmas is about and not single out just one thing. We should strive to attain joy from every aspect of the Holiday. :yay:

And all I'm saying is that everything about the holiday boils down to giving. Whether or not you worship as a Christian, I don't see it as a bad thing if you celebrate that.

I never said it was *my* day. :huh: I would like to see it be restored as an important day to Christians and just another day to everyone else. Like Chanukah is to the Jews. They get to enjoy their holy days as just that, holy days and not some big commercial circus that people go broke over or complain about on message boards.

I meant "your" as in "you are a Christian and the holiday is one of the holy days of your religion" not as in yours specifically. Like Chanukah is to the Jews, as you said.

I still prefer a day of universal joy as opposed to a day of worship for a certain part of the community. I agree that the commercialism has gotten out of hand, it always does when there's money to be made, but you're going to the other extreme and I see it as being just as wrong.
 
Guys, lets not turn this into a debate thread, please.
 
I meant "your" as in "you are a Christian and the holiday is one of the holy days of your religion" not as in yours specifically. Like Chanukah is to the Jews, as you said.
I never said I was a Christian.
 
Sorry, I'm just stating my opinion. I won't say anymore on it.

Its fine Ferret, in fact, I found your original post to be incredibly insightful and moving. :up: I just don't want these holiday threads turning into religion debate threads.
 
Its fine Ferret, in fact, I found your original post to be incredibly insightful and moving. :up: I just don't want these holiday threads turning into religion debate threads.

Neither do I. I love this time of year, especially for the effect it has on my father. He'd never really gotten a real Christmas as a child, and he always made a point to make the season such a good time for me and my siblings. It just hit a sore note with me, as he's a staunch atheist, but even he gets into the season.
 
I think it's safe to say that it wasn't on December 25th, at least according to biblical scholars, but that doesn't matter. It is a day to celebrate the birth of Christ, and to reflect on him. Therefore, it wouldn't matter if it's on the exact day, as the meaning of it is what matters.

As far as I know Mithra's birth was celebrated on december the 25th. Anyway, this date was chosen to make the pagan celebration forgotten by the people. And also, I don't see anything bad in that. About knowing the exact date of Christ's birth...I'd ask the curious folks here: do we know the exact birthdays of the famous historical figures? Duh...I think not.:whatever: So let's just celebrate Christ's birth (I'm talking to those who believe in God; I do for instance).
 
As far as I know Mithra's birth was celebrated on december the 25th. Anyway, this date was chosen to make the pagan celebration forgotten by the people. And also, I don't see anything bad in that. About knowing the exact date of Christ's birth...I'd ask the curious folks here: do we know the exact birthdays of the famous historical figures? Duh...I think not.:whatever: So let's just celebrate Christ's birth (I'm talking to those who believe in God; I do for instance).

The problem with Mithra is that he was born 150 or so years after Christ.
 
That's not what I learned. Anyway, I hate that I can't rememebr now which pope chose this date and when...And I knew this, argh...
 
I never said it was *my* day. :huh: I would like to see it be restored as an important day to Christians and just another day to everyone else. Like Chanukah is to the Jews. They get to enjoy their holy days as just that, holy days and not some big commercial circus that people go broke over or complain about on message boards.

Well said. :up:

As each year passes we see less and less of Christmas; what's taking its place is a day to celebrate consumerism. :csad:

I would just like to say to everybody, that I hope you and your families are well, and that you all have a very merry xmas :yay: :cwink:

Now I have a a machine gun -- ho ho ho :woot:
 
It's really sad that people are so much into crazy shopping. What, a simple small gift isn't enough?:whatever: People forgot the meaning of the celebration:csad:
Now it's xmas instead of "christmas". What a crap.:cmad:
 
I minored in World History. There have been a lot of archaeological finds in the past few years to back it up.

I studied history as well. But even if you're right, the fact is that the christmas celebration was dated on the 25th of december, in order to overshadow Mithra's celebration.
 

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