The Dark Knight Rises Christian Bale as Batman in Justice League. Is it still possible?

[Laderlappen]

If you people HAVE TO have a JL movie, why not use another actor so it wont hurt this franshise?

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Except for the fact several publications have already confirmed he has signed on for the role.

I wanna see some links?

 

[Crook]

If you people HAVE TO have a JL movie, why not use another actor so it wont hurt this franshise?

The only franchise it'll hurt is JL itself. Nolan's series is completely safe, no matter if they use Bale or not.

I wanna see some links?

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117976888.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=9864803c-63b6-42a6-b26f-4c2b3d101a6b

http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2007/12/christian-bale.html

Guess by your standards, Bale doesn't have any sense after all?

 

[DCnightwing23]

Like i said before, those links are bogose. Bale is deticated to one superhero franchise and thats, BATMAN. He already said that he feels that the nolan batman wouldnt fit the justice league batman, so why would he do justice league?

 

[Crook]

Like i said before, those links are bogose.

My links? They had nothing to do with JL.

Bale is deticated to one superhero franchise and thats, BATMAN.

He's never said that. He was even quoted last year as to being open to a team-up film, so I don't know where you got that little tidbit from.

He already said that he feels that the nolan batman wouldnt fit the justice league batman, so why would he do justice league?

He's never said this either.

 

[DCnightwing23]

yes he has said all that, go to youtube or search for it, he's said that it wouldnt work to put Nolans dark batman in a cheery Justice league film.

But crook, your one smart guy. I respect your opinions

 

[Crook]

yes he has said all that, go to youtube or search for it, he's said that it wouldnt work to put Nolans dark batman in a cheery Justice league film.

The interview where Russel Crowe was next to him? If so, you're misconstruing his words. All he said was he preferred if they do the JL film after Nolan's series was done. Never said anything about a "cheery" JL, or whether he'd participate in the franchise if they waited.

But if there's another interview where he does say this, then feel free to link it. I doubt I missed any of his comments on JL, but I'm open to be proven wrong.

But crook, your one smart guy. I respect your opinions

Sarcasm or not, I lol'd.

 

[DCnightwing23]

We might have a rivalry going on! LOL.

Well i did hear him say it, but it was a while back. It was on video as well. Perhaps it is the one your talking about, if so, my mistake.

 

[TheVileOne]

I say put your money where your mouth is DCnightwing23. We've all seen the IGN link about JL. So where's your link about Nolan's Batman not working in cheery JL?

 

[TheVileOne]

Except for the fact several publications have already confirmed he has signed on for the role.


Eh, SR ruined all the plans imo. DC seemed to be doing the same exact thing Marvel is right now.

You see. Even with Superman Returns, to me its still pretty freaking ridiculous to basically do a new Batman movie one year after THE DARK KNIGHT. That kind of ruins THE DARK KNIGHT and Nolan's films and a hopeful Nolan sequel.

 

[FaT_tONle]

You see. Even with Superman Returns, to me its still pretty freaking ridiculous to basically do a new Batman movie one year after THE DARK KNIGHT. That kind of ruins THE DARK KNIGHT and Nolan's films and a hopeful Nolan sequel.

Assuming we get BB3... couldn't you say the same thing as you said just now when that time comes? Obviously BB3 won't be any kind of lead in to a JLA... why would Bale's Batman join a JLA team a year later? Do you think that would be plausible from the "Nolan World" perspective? I mean certainly there would be more thugs in Gotham to bring to justice... I find it hard to believe that Bale's Batman is going to join a JLA just because he has already dealt with Joker and Two Face and now wants to deal with bigger and badder baddies in a team effort... I am not saying it can't be done... but that's essentially what you are asking for is it not? And even if that's the case... is Bale really going to return as Batman yet again and do another Batman movie back to back... even if they wait some time after BB3 you are still asking Bale to pull a Hugh Jackman and do a fourth in nine years... not only that... Bale is to be a supporting player this time around... he is probably not going to get the kind of money that he would warrant for a fourth go around as the Dark Knight... and he'd be type casted as Batman at that point... I am not sure I need all that speaking from his shoes... at some point enough is enough...

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't think a JL film is plausible at all right now. Doing another Batman film essentially the same time as Nolan's film isn't feasible or plausible.

 

[DCnightwing23]

Hey guys, can you go check out my new dark knight thread on dick grayson, plz go check it and tell me what you think

 

[FaT_tONle]

I don't think a JL film is plausible at all right now. Doing another Batman film essentially the same time as Nolan's film isn't feasible or plausible.

As long as JLA is a separate continuity there really is no problem with the timing. But if its in the same continuity then its a disaster... the two need to be completely separate. I am just no longer holding hope that Bale and Routh would topline any JLA effort at this point... I just think its a bit naive to hold out that kind of optimism.

 

[TheVileOne]

As long as JLA is a separate continuity there really is no problem with the timing. But if its in the same continuity then its a disaster... the two need to be completely separate. I am just no longer holding hope that Bale and Routh would topline any JLA effort at this point... I just think its a bit naive to hold out that kind of optimism.

The majority of the moviegoing audience isn't going to like, get, understand, or accept that.

I still don't get how people can so simply state there is no problem.

How is an audience supposed to think it's separate when they thought that Batman Begins was still connected to the 80's and 90's movies?

 

[DCnightwing23]

Go check out my threads there aweosme

 

[Orin]

Whoever was supposed to play Batman be it Arnie Hammer, do you really think they could've outperformed Bale?

Sure, why not? Neither is Christian Bale the best actor in the world nor aren't there any no name actors out there that can keep up with him.

The majority of the moviegoing audience isn't going to like, get, understand, or accept that.

That's right, but the majority of the moviegoers also wants nothing more than an entertaining movie. They're not thinking about Batman Begins or things like continuity all the time like us fanboys. And they certanly wouldn't freak out and say "OMG, that isn't Christian Bale ... so that isn't Batman!" ike fanboys do if they would see someone else playing Batman. You've said it yourself, most people still think the BB was a related to the Burton/Schumacher movies. But did anyboy ask why they had a new Batman, Gordon and Alfred? Did anybody care that they recasted Keaton with Kilmer for Batman Forever? No, that movie did damn well at the boxoffice! People very well get that there are movie characters that can be played by more than one actor, cause they are just bigger than one actor. They want to be entertained and if that's the case they don't care about all that other crap that some closed-minded fanboys just take way too seriously. So would you please stop using that "average moviegoer" as an excuse all the time...

 

[Laderlappen]

The only franchise it'll hurt is JL itself. Nolan's series is completely safe, no matter if they use Bale or not.

It takes away all the realism that Nolan has tried to build up. And if it becomes as sucky as it sounds like, it would be much harder to take the character seriously anymore.

 

[TheVileOne]

Sure, why not? Neither is Christian Bale the best actor in the world nor aren't there any no name actors out there that can keep up with him.

I'm not sure what you mean with your triple negative. When Hammer has a body of work as diverse and impressive as Bale's, and has given a single performance as amazing as any of Bale's please let me know.

This isn't like Wolverine where Hugh Jackman despite having no name before that movie set the standard for that character in live action. No one else had played a live action Wolverine in a movie before.

With Bale he set the standard once again for that character. He re-established that character for live action and he's STILL playing that character in live action. He didn't just quit or stop playing that character. So that's a big problem to screw that up.

That's right, but the majority of the moviegoers also wants nothing more than an entertaining movie. They're not thinking about Batman Begins or things like continuity all the time like us fanboys. And they certanly wouldn't freak out and say "OMG, that isn't Christian Bale ... so that isn't Batman!" ike fanboys do if they would see someone else playing Batman.

Exactly. And because they are not fanboys they wouldn't understand the separate continuity of the supposed JL movie and Batman Begins like we do! That's the point. They wouldn't get it, just like they had trouble getting Batman Begins which had to struggle to overcome that. JL would present an even more boatload of problems that would make it struggle with the audience.

You've said it yourself, most people still think the BB was a related to the Burton/Schumacher movies. But did anyboy ask why they had a new Batman, Gordon and Alfred? Did anybody care that they recasted Keaton with Kilmer for Batman Forever? No, that movie did damn well at the boxoffice! People very well get that there are movie characters that can be played by more than one actor, cause they are just bigger than one actor. They want to be entertained and if that's the case they don't care about all that other crap that some closed-minded fanboys just take way too seriously. So would you please stop using that "average moviegoer" as an excuse all the time...

Batman Forever was still a sequel to Batman Returns. And people knew that. It was Batman III. Also, the audience no longer likes or cares about Batman Forever or Batman and Robin. They like Batman Begins.

So, what does that make JL to the audience? Batman Begins III? nu-Batman I? They won't be able to understand.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

The only franchise it'll hurt is JL itself. Nolan's series is completely safe, no matter if they use Bale or not.


http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117976888.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=9864803c-63b6-42a6-b26f-4c2b3d101a6b

http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2007/12/christian-bale.html

Guess by your standards, Bale doesn't have any sense after all?

Apparently not

 

[Orin]

I'm not sure what you mean with your triple negative. When Hammer has a body of work as diverse and impressive as Bale's, and has given a single performance as amazing as any of Bale's please let me know.

This isn't like Wolverine where Hugh Jackman despite having no name before that movie set the standard for that character in live action. No one else had played a live action Wolverine in a movie before.

With Bale he set the standard once again for that character. He re-established that character for live action and he's STILL playing that character in live action. He didn't just quit or stop playing that character. So that's a big problem to screw that up.

That's not a problem at all. He isn't the only person on the planet capable of playing a good Batman, plain and simple. And Batman Begins was not more than just one of many interpretations of the Batman character, certanly not the new standard for it or anything like that. There are dozens of elements that make this character what it is, that weren't reflected in that movie. Especially the ones that are only brought out when he interacts with his fellow Bat-Family Members or the Justice League. You attach just way to much value to that nonsignificant litte movie. Neither do the comic book fans think it's the new "character-bible" nor is it forever the only way to present Batman to a general audiance.

Batman Forever was still a sequel to Batman Returns. And people knew that. It was Batman III. Also, the audience no longer likes or cares about Batman Forever or Batman and Robin. They like Batman Begins.

And they like Batman Begins until there is something new to like, just like it was with the old movies. But my point was, as you've said, they got that Batman Forever was a spin-off to Batman and Batman Returns, but still didn't care or not watch the movie just because Kilmer replaced Keaton in the Titlerole...

So, what does that make JL to the audience? Batman Begins III? nu-Batman I? They won't be able to understand.

Maybe it would just make JL JL to the audience!? But you're right, it is possible that some people wouldn't understand, that the movies don't share the same continuity. But who ****ing cares? The general audiance certanly not, at least if they're getting what the really only care about, a good movie. Or do you really think anybody would say "Hey, there's this new movie out and it's got Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and some other Superheros in it ... but hey, i don't think i'm gonna see it, cause you know, Christian Bale isn't Batman this time." That's just ridiculous. It isn't Bale who's the big boxofficedraw, Batman is. And, believe it or not, the name Christian Bale isn't the first thing that comes up to everyones mind, if they here "Batman" somewhere. People are not in love with Bale and that BB movie and people don't think about how great it was all the time, like fanboys. To them, just like every other movie of that relevance, it was no more than a welcomed dispersal, which is forgotten as soon as there is some equal replacement to be found.

 

[TheVileOne]

Obviously WB and Chris Nolan care Orin. The movie didn't go off.

 

[Orin]

Yeah, and that's just because of Christian Bale, sure. It's just unbelievable how blinded people are to really think that it's impossible to do a successful Justice League Movie without Bale. Every attempt of rationality really seems to be wasted here...

 

[FaT_tONle]

The majority of the moviegoing audience isn't going to like, get, understand, or accept that.

I still don't get how people can so simply state there is no problem.

How is an audience supposed to think it's separate when they thought that Batman Begins was still connected to the 80's and 90's movies?

Just because its not what you want doesn't mean no one else is going to understand what is going on... look its weird... we aren't used to something like this... its rarely been done before... heck I'll be honest... it feels like a ****ing RECAST... so I feel the same way as you... but damn you need to understand man... its a business... a BUSINESS... in a perfect world movies would be made and everything would coincide and flow seemlessly just as it would in real life... the bottom line is... and we talked about it... people just aren't going to care... people aren't going to NOT TAKE their kids to the cinemas when you are talking about Batman and Superman together for the first time in a film... will it be potentially as good as a JLA could be with a returning cast? Absolutely not... but WB isn't going to sit on their property until they get every reboot/spinoff/solo superhero franchise perfect all at the same time... tough decisions need to be made... you'll be saying the same things as you are now if JLA waited till 2012 but still included the Cotronas and the Hammer's of the world... you'd say... "Wait they are going a JLA ONE YEAR after BB3 and two years after MOS with a DIFFERENT cast"... "#### THAT!!!" I know you'd say that... I feel the exact same way... but that is the reality...

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, and that's just because of Christian Bale, sure. It's just unbelievable how blinded people are to really think that it's impossible to do a successful Justice League Movie without Bale. Every attempt of rationality really seems to be wasted here...

For once you are right.

Of course fifty years from now Batman isn't going to be played by Bale in a Justice League movie. But you know, right now in the prime of his career, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.