Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Comic Characters who HAVE shown up in Agents of SHIELD

[Artistsean]

Not sure if this was already posted. But here is a thread to post characters from the comics who have shown up.

Victoria Hand:

Graviton:

Scorch:

 

[cherokeesam]

Victoria Hand and Graviton: yes.

Scorch: no.
Comic-book Scorch was a Vietnamese-American named Johnny Ng; AOS Scorch is a Chinese national from Hong Kong named Chan Ho Yin. He's not based on the comic book namesake at all.

 

[Xeno]

Nick Fury and Jasper Sitwell are also comic book characters. Maria Hill is, too. Even Agent Coulson counts as a comic book character, though only because of his recent inclusion in the 616 Universe.

 

[Octavias]

Victoria Hand and Graviton: yes.

Scorch: no.
Comic-book Scorch was a Vietnamese-American named Johnny Ng; AOS Scorch is a Chinese national from Hong Kong named Chan Ho Yin. He's not based on the comic book namesake at all.

MCU changes character details like that all the time... doesn't make a difference, scorch is a marvel character from the comics.....

 

[Eddie]

Saying Scorch doesn't count is like saying Whiplash and Mandarin don't count.

 

[The Question]

Saying Scorch doesn't count is like saying Whiplash and Mandarin don't count.

Some people do say they don't count.

They're still wrong, so whatever.

 

[Eddie]

Some people do say they don't count.

They're still wrong, so whatever.

Man, Iron Man NEVER gets to fight any real villains. They're all made up. If we don't get an Iron Man 4 with a comic accurate Unicorn...

 

[The Question]

Man, Iron Man NEVER gets to fight any real villains. They're all made up. If we don't get an Iron Man 4 with a comic accurate Unicorn...

Yeah man, he should fight the Koch brothers and Charles Manson. Those guys are real villains, none of this made up ********. And you know if they even had the stones to go there, they'd just have actors pretending to be those guys. A director who really respected the source material would just film Robert Downey Jr. murdering people.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The full list would be:

- Victoria Hand
- Graviton
- Jasper Sitwell
- Nick Fury
- Maria Hill
- Phil Coulson (although added later after he started in Iron Man)

 

[Pokkle]

And Scorch.

 

[Dr. Evil]

And Scorch.

Eh.....not really.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

and technically Thor/Hulk/Iron Man right? y'know, in the flashbacks and video footage and all that.

 

[Eddie]

I think it'd be fair to count the Chitauri. The "appearances" have been reused footage & the helmet, but they certainly played a role in the story.

 

[cherokeesam]

Saying Scorch doesn't count is like saying Whiplash and Mandarin don't count.

How do you figure?
Whiplash and Mandarin are actual characters from the comics. There *are* comic counterparts in Ivan Vanko, Aldrich Killian, Whiplash and The Mandarin himself. They are *based* on the actual characters from the comics. MCU Scorch is *not* based on the actual character from the comic.

Johnny Ng =/= Chan Ho Yin. Two completely different names. Two completely different nations. Two completely different ethnicities. Two completely different people.

 

[Eddie]

How do you figure?
Whiplash and Mandarin are actual characters from the comics. There *are* comic counterparts in Ivan Vanko, Aldrich Killian, Whiplash and The Mandarin himself. They are *based* on the actual characters from the comics. MCU Scorch is *not* based on the actual character from the comic.

Johnny Ng =/= Chan Ho Yin. Two completely different names. Two completely different nations. Two completely different ethnicities. Two completely different people.

Whiplash was *not* the comic version. There wasn't an Ivan Vanko Whiplash in the 616 Universe. I'm not sure if there was ever an Ivan Vanko at all in the main Marvel U, actually, but somebody may have possibly had the name. Ivan Vanko in Iron Man 2 took elements of Whiplash, but he had a heavy dose of Crimson Dynamo (Anton Vanko) thrown in. There is a Vanko Whiplash in the comics, but he only exists because of Iron Man 2. He's a modern character, and for some bizarre reason even he isn't Ivan Vanko. He's (oddly enough) also named Anton Vanko (he's not the Crimson Dynamo one).

EDIT: Also worth mentioning: that all adds up to an MCU Whiplash that has a completely different name, nationality, and ethnicity from any comic Whiplash at the time Iron Man 2 was actually made. In other words, two completely different people.

 

[cherokeesam]

Whiplash was *not* the comic version. There wasn't an Ivan Vanko Whiplash in the 616 Universe. I'm not sure if there was ever an Ivan Vanko at all in the main Marvel U, actually, but somebody may have possibly had the name. Ivan Vanko in Iron Man 2 took elements of Whiplash, but he had a heavy dose of Crimson Dynamo (Anton Vanko) thrown in. There is a Vanko Whiplash in the comics, but he only exists because of Iron Man 2. He's a modern character, and for some bizarre reason even he isn't Ivan Vanko. He's (oddly enough) also named Anton Vanko (he's not the Crimson Dynamo one).

EDIT: Also worth mentioning: that all adds up to an MCU Whiplash that has a completely different name, nationality, and ethnicity from any comic Whiplash at the time Iron Man 2 was actually made. In other words, two completely different people.

Okay, fine, MCU Whiplash =/= Comic Book Whiplash. You're describing one of the most controversial and least liked villains in the MCU, and a lot of the controversy dealt with the "In Name Only" nature of a character that was far more like Crimson Dynamo than Whiplash himself. Point is, it didn't work, because that's not "Whiplash."

Just like that's not "Scorch." Thanks for helping prove my point that AOS Scorch =/= Comic Book Scorch.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

The comics had a character called Scorch who controlled fire. AOS had a character called Scorch who controlled fire. End of discussion. Anything beyond that is silly.

People are still going to argue about it tho.

 

[Savage]

Scorch counts. It's been 14 years and people still aren't used to changes to Marvel characters by now? That was still Deadpool and Psylocke in the X-men movies and this is still Scorch.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Scorch counts. It's been 14 years and people still aren't used to changes to Marvel characters by now? That was still Deadpool and Psylocke in the X-men movies and this is still Scorch.

Both Asian, same powers, same name... clearly not the same character. Denied!

 

[ctsketch]

How do you figure?
Whiplash and Mandarin are actual characters from the comics. There *are* comic counterparts in Ivan Vanko, Aldrich Killian, Whiplash and The Mandarin himself. They are *based* on the actual characters from the comics. MCU Scorch is *not* based on the actual character from the comic.

Johnny Ng =/= Chan Ho Yin. Two completely different names. Two completely different nations. Two completely different ethnicities. Two completely different people.

Actually ANTON Vanko was whiplash in the comics so he had a different name
and Mandarin was a different race in the comics, and had different powers and had a different nationality. Soooo....if you're not counting Scorch (who both in the comics and the show have the same alias, same east Asian general heritage at least and similar powers)

then you can't count mandarin and vanko on the same basis

 

[cherokeesam]

You guys are comparing two different scenarios. In one, the writers specifically choose a known comic-book character and then "INO" (In Name Only) him/her. Mandarin, Coldblood, Firepower, Whiplash....(seems to be pretty exclusive to the Iron Man franchise....whatev). In the other, in the case of AOS, you've got some *coincidental* similarities. There's a Mike Peterson in the comics; a Tobias; a Po; etc. But they're not *intended* to be based on those comic book characters, and share little beyond a name and maybe the same ethnicity.

In AOS, Graviton is an example of the former situation --- they clearly *intended* to create the comic-book Graviton, and just INO-ed him. In Scorch's case, there's no evidence that they ever *intended* to suggest the comic-book version (there's actually two or three), so the similarities are cosmetic. That's *not* the comic-book Scorch, in INO or canon.

 

[TheFBI]

How do you figure?
Whiplash and Mandarin are actual characters from the comics. There *are* comic counterparts in Ivan Vanko, Aldrich Killian, Whiplash and The Mandarin himself. They are *based* on the actual characters from the comics. MCU Scorch is *not* based on the actual character from the comic.

Johnny Ng =/= Chan Ho Yin. Two completely different names. Two completely different nations. Two completely different ethnicities. Two completely different people.

Trevor Slattery = Gene Khan/Zhang Tong/Tem Borjigin. Two completely different names. Trevor Slattery is British with no Southeast Asian Herraitge (Japaneese, Chineese, Vitetnameese, or Korean). Two completely differend ethnicities. Two completely different people. I can do this too. Point is, if Mandarin counts so does Scorch.

 

[cherokeesam]

Fine....let Scorch count if it makes you feel better. Even though there's nothing at all beyond a common powerset, generic nickname, and an extremely broad ethnic connection that is shared between a Vietnamese-American third-rate mutant gangster named Tommy Ng whose only appearance came in brief flashbacks battling two obscure 90s Marvel heroes (Night Thrasher and Solo), and a Chinese pyrokinetic aspiring superhero named Chan Ho Yin who was abducted, tortured and killed by the Centipede organization.

And while you're at it, include *this* Scorch:

http://marvel.wikia.com/Ross_Jonas_(Earth-616)

Because he's named Scorch, and he's a pyro. So that makes the TV character *obviously* based on Ross Jonas.

While you're at it, add this guy:

http://marvel.wikia.com/Shiro_Yoshida_(Earth-616)

Because Sunfire is Asian, and also a pyro. So *obviously* the AOS Scorch was based on him.

Trevor Slattery = Gene Khan/Zhang Tong/Tem Borjigin. Two completely different names. Trevor Slattery is British with no Southeast Asian Herraitge (Japaneese, Chineese, Vitetnameese, or Korean). Two completely differend ethnicities. Two completely different people. I can do this too. Point is, if Mandarin counts so does Scorch.

The difference, as I discussed before, is that when Marvel created Movie Mandarin, they *intended* for him to be loosely based on Comic-Book Mandarin. Yes, the end result was In Name Only, but the overall gist was that Iron Man was finally going to meet his most common archvillain. It was an intentional and deliberate attempt to create a movie version of a comic-book character. Whereas in AOS, there's no indication whatsoever that they intended to base TV Scorch on Comic-Book Scorch (any one of them). It was purely coincidental, just like the coincidence that there's a black "Michael Peterson" in Marvel Comics (in another obscure title, Slapstick), that has no relation to the TV namesake at all.

 

[cherokeesam]

Because its totally believable that no one who worked on the episode knew that there was somebody in the comics with the same name and the same powers.

Yup 100% coincidence. I'm convinced.

I also heard that Joss Whedon never heard of Quicksilver either. He just came up with the idea of guy who moved fast and happened to pick the same name as some obscure character from the comics. And then to top it all off Fox came up with the exact same idea at the same time too! Amazing coincidence!

Its too bad they aren't checking the comics for characters to use instead of spending so much time and effort coming up with their own original ones.

Be honest with yourself: without checking through Wiki or whatever website, had *you* heard of a Scorch in Marvel Comics? Unless you're the World's Biggest Night Thrasher Fan (there are at least four members of that fanclub worldwide, so I dunno mebbe), chances are the honest answer is "no." Because Tommy Ng was a blip of an afterthought on the back page of a flashback in a throwaway comic about an unpopular comic book character in a time when nobody was reading comic books because Marvel was on the edge of bankruptcy.

If you choose to believe that Mo and Jed or whomever went digging through the trashbin at Marvel Comics and spotted some two-bit thug in a flashback panel that really captured their imagination and said "We've got to get Tommy Ng into the MCU --- we've just *got* to," then more power to you. But the more likely explanation is that yes, it is just a coincidence. Like Mike Peterson. Or Tobias. Or Po. And it's going to happen a lot, because the Marvel Comics Universe is a big, big, big place, with lots, lots, lots of characters over at least 70 years. Not even the Marvel Wiki has catalogued them all.

When they discuss examples of AOS introducing new characters from the comics, the showrunners have pointed to Victoria Hand and Graviton in more than one interview. I haven't read of any of them mentioning Scorch as one of those instances. Have you?

 

[Mysteryman]

Scorch is clearly dead, Although he could be kept alive in this thread for some time to come.