Community - Part 3

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As much as I hate Dan leaving Im more upset aout the fact that Chris Mckenna leaving as well (he was responsible for writing Conspiracy Theories, Paradigms, Remedial Chaos Theory, and part one of the Blanket/Pillow Fort ).
 
No, the new writers won't get it right.

From what I heard/saw other posts and stuff about, they're making it more "geek/nerd" friendly.

Like The Big Bang Theory.
 
community always needed a laugh track. we will finally get one. a new intro also.

chevy won because he kept saying dan isnt funny and how he cant run a show and all this bad stuff. so now dan is gone and chevy remains.
 
No, the new writers won't get it right.

From what I heard/saw other posts and stuff about, they're making it more "geek/nerd" friendly.

Like The Big Bang Theory.
I guess BNL will be doing the theme song now too...urghhh
 
I'm just going to play the devil's advocate here....

The boss of the show led a "**** you," chant against one of their employees then publicly embarrassed him by playing his voice mails twice. Despite his apology he hasn't really let up with the sardonic tweets. Sony is trying desperately to get out one more season (and probably trying to get extended to a full season order) in order to have a stronger position to negotiate syndication rights. Harmon's presence jeopardizes that. Especially if he isn't capable of shutting up and playing nice with Chase (not that Chase is right, but in the position of authority, Harmon must be the bigger man).

I am bummed out by Harmon leaving, but I guess I kind of get where Sony is coming from. Not saying that I like it....but I get it.
 
No, the new writers won't get it right.

From what I heard/saw other posts and stuff about, they're making it more "geek/nerd" friendly.

That could mean more Abed-focussed plots. Tepid yay maybe?
 
community always needed a laugh track. we will finally get one. a new intro also.

chevy won because he kept saying dan isnt funny and how he cant run a show and all this bad stuff. so now dan is gone and chevy remains.

Dan is funny, but Chevy is right....he can't run a show. A show runner's job is to keep things running smoothly, not instigate your actors.

And I think people are being a bit dramatic. Plenty of the show's writing staff remains. There won't be a laugh track. I'm sure these writers understood the tone of the show before they signed on. I'm not saying it will be as good, but it won't become a multi-camera, laugh track laced show.
 
Well, it started with Dan responding to Chevy walking off the set during filming of the final scene by giving a really harsh "joke," speech about Chase at the wrap party and then leading a crew chant of "**** you Chevy," in front of Chase's wife and daughter. Chase responded by leaving Harmon a voicemail which he proceeded to play for his friends while laughing (which of course got leaked onto the internet). He apologized but then it happened again. And there has been the tweeting and everything.
 
It sucks that Dan Harmon is leaving but it seems a lot of this is on him. He couldn't get along with his writers and then Chevy Chase. It was only a matter of time before it infected more of the cast.

The fact they are pressing on without him other than outright cancelling it shows that they see some sort of value in it's fan-base.
 
Well obviously, #6seasonsandamovie isn't the community Motto for nothing.
 
Way I see it ,Sony could have said "screw it this show is done"and kept Harmon on and let the show die a slow depth,fact that they went out and hired to other show runners tells me they are trying to save the show,perhaps with the slight changes to the show it might attract a newer fanbase but not alienate its original fanbase..This isn't the darkest timeline
 
Well, it started with Dan responding to Chevy walking off the set during filming of the final scene by giving a really harsh "joke," speech about Chase at the wrap party and then leading a crew chant of "**** you Chevy," in front of Chase's wife and daughter. Chase responded by leaving Harmon a voicemail which he proceeded to play for his friends while laughing (which of course got leaked onto the internet). He apologized but then it happened again. And there has been the tweeting and everything.

thats why i have a feeling that he knew for some time that they wil fire him
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as much as I love the show, it probably could be a little more "user friendly." this season especially got very alienating for people who aren't already die hard fans of the show. not saying it should be dumbed down or start pandering, but it could probably do with some lighter material like back in season one. this season got VERY dark. but hey, if it sucks at least we had "our" finale, like another poster said. this reminds me of scrubs, when they had a beautiful finale, then gave the sh** fest that was INTERNS, let's hope this isn't one of those situations.
 
Dan almost quit over the Dungeon and Dragons episode in season two because NBC wasn't going to even air it. Its been a toxic relationship for all those involved, the thing with Chevy built up over three seasons and Sony did what it could to keep the show on.

They and NBC could've been less dickish about it and at least gave the guy a phone call and said sorry we're going to let you go.

Writers leave all the time, its just like free agency in sports but even worse as they all have 1-2 year contracts. Community gets low ratings so they go somewhere where they think will have better job security or better pay despite having an awesome result.
That hurt Arrested Development as it went on, as the writers didn't know if the show would be back.

Chris McKenna got a great deal and so did Garrett Donovan and Neil Goldman. 30 Rock lost most of their writing staff this spring that has been together since season one/two because they knew the last season was going to be 13 episodes. They cashed in and signed with a bunch of studios to create shows and help new ones while they do that.

Jack Burditt was credited with great episodes of 30 Rock, he left that to be the showrunner of New Adventures of Old Christine and then when that was canceled came back to 30 Rock. He left last year to create Last Man Standing which was a critical dud. The network made so many changes, like bringing in Kim Khardasian against his wishes, he left to go back to 30 Rock.

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Nov. '09 I joined my favorite show on TV and today leave my favorite anything ever. Thanks Community, fans, and @DanHarmon. E Pluribus Anus.
 
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http://gawker.com/5911676/dan-harmon-blogs-about-getting-fired-literally-nobody-called-me

Dan Harmon Blogs About Getting Fired: ‘Literally Nobody Called Me’

By Louis Peitzman
May 19, 2012 11:13 AM

The circumstances of Dan Harmon's removal as Community's showrunner are emerging, and they're not pretty. Harmon's version of events, which he shared late last night on his Tumblr, explains that he learned about Sony's controversial decision about the same way we did.
Unsurprisingly, Harmon can only speculate as to why he was fired.
Why'd Sony want me gone? I can't answer that because I've been in as much contact with them as you have. They literally haven't called me since the season four pickup, so their reasons for replacing me are clearly none of my business. Community is their property, I only own ten percent of it, and I kind of don't want to hear what their complaints are because I'm sure it would hurt my feelings even more now that I'd be listening for free.
He does, however, clear up some points of contention.
First, although Harmon is still a consulting producer, that's the result of a "relatively standard protection clause" for a show creator. If he were to continue showing up on the Community set, he would have no creative control. He could not comment on or rewrite scripts, pitch jokes, or contribute to editing the finished product. He could, Harmon points out, "I guess [sharpen] pencils and stuff."
Harmon also takes issue with NBC head Bob Greenblatt's assertion that he was sure Harmon would remain involved in Community.
That's a misquote. I think he meant to say he's sure cookies are yummy, because he's never called me once in the entire duration of his employment at NBC.
Nor was Harmon called when his employment was terminated. He insists that he didn't quit or agree to a diminished role, because there were never any negotiations that he was part of. "It couldn't be less true," Harmon writes, "because, just to make this clear, literally nobody called me."

Harmon's bitterness is clear — and it's tough to blame him. NBC announced his firing on a Friday evening, a move likely calculated to avoid as much backlash from diehard Community fans as possible. "The friends my Mom warned me about are bigger now, and older, bloodying my nose with old world numbers, and old world tactics," Harmon writes.

Vulture's Joe Adalian has a lengthy piece that examines the Sony's fraught relationship with the former Community showrunner. And no, this isn't about Chevy Chase.
 
Wow, really man, it was posted on the last page. lulz.

Oh, well. Glad you found it funny.

http://www.vulture.com/2012/05/dan-harmon-community-future-nbc-sony.html

Yesterday at 11:00 PM Dan Harmon Is No Longer Showrunner on Community

By Josef Adalian

Pop-Pop and Boom! Dan Harmon will not be returning as showrunner of NBC's Community, and whether he'll remain involved at all with the series he created at remains very much in doubt. Sony Pictures Television, which produces the series with Universal Television, has closed a deal with Happy Endings writers David Guarascio and Moses Port to join Community as showrunners and exec producers. The deal comes less than a week after Vulture broke the news that Harmon hadn't been signed on for season four and that no negotiations between him and Sony had taken place. Vulture hears that now that Sony made its deal with Guarascio and Port, it plans to ask Harmon to remain involved as a writer and consultant -- but not as the person in charge of the show. (He's expected to remain a "consulting producer" no matter what). Given Sony's decision to make a deal for Harmon's replacement without telling Harmon directly, it seems a longshot that Harmon will agree to a diminished role. This is a very dark timeline, but for people familiar with the situation, it is not at all a surprising development.

Harmon and Sony have been at odds since the first season of Community, clashing over everything from the show's creative direction (the studio and NBC have both, at times, asked Harmon to make the show at least somewhat broader in its appeal) to Harmon's management style (the producer admitted as recently as last month that he was "damn bad" at key elements of his job not related to what gets on the screen). In addition, Community has been plagued with numerous writing staff defections over its three season run. Most recently, longtime exec producers Neil Goldman and Garrett Donovan announced they were leaving for a new deal at 20th Century Fox TV, while directors/producers Joe and Anthony Russo are also no longer part of Sony and thus are not involved in the show on a day-to-day basis.

According to multiple people familiar with the production of Community, Harmon's flaws as a showrunner were at least partially responsible for much of the turnover the past few years. As one person familiar with Harmon's strengths and weaknesses told Vulture, "Dan is a brilliant at ideas, but he's terrible at [management]." Others, however, believe Sony and NBC execs made errors, too. The fact that Sony didn't even call Harmon to see if a deal could be done -- if only to maintain at least the illusion that it was trying to keep Harmon around -- will almost certainly be cited by Harmon supporters as proof of the studio's indifference to his involvement with the show going forward.

Another sign of the studio's issues with Harmon came last year, when Harmon's previous overall deal with Sony was up. Sources tell Vulture that the studio offered him a one-year extension rather than a more traditional two- or three-year agreement. Harmon, said to be insulted by the studio's lack of long-term commitment, initially balked at returning, people familiar with the situation say; the studio then offered a one year deal with an option for a second year. The thinking behind Sony's bargaining: If Community didn't make it to season four, it didn't want to keep Harmon on its payroll. Harmon ultimately agreed to a simple one-year deal, potentially giving him more leverage if and when the show was renewed -- or making it easier for Sony to do what it has now done by hiring new showrunners.

Even before NBC officially renewed Community last week, Sony began making overtures to other writers on the show to take over from Harmon. Goldman and Donovan, for example, would have been logical successors to Harmon, but they signed a deal with rival studio 20th Century Fox TV, and most likely would not have wanted to do the show with Harmon out of loyalty to the writer. To land Guarascio and Port, it is understood that Sony stepped up with a significant and lucrative extension of the writers' most recent deal with Sony and that it even agreed to give the producers so- called "points" in the series (that's a percentage of the show's syndication profits). The duo have a strong reputation around Hollywood for balancing quirky with mainstream, working most recently on Happy Endings but also creating the critically admired CW series Aliens in America five years ago. It's understood that several studios had been trying to snag Guarascio and Port for new fall shows, with Universal Television hoping to get Sony to loan out their services so they could run The Mindy Project on Fox.

One of the immediate questions raised in the wake of Sony's decision to hire new showrunners is: Given that Sony and Harmon have long had a difficult relationship, and yet somehow managed to make things work, why did Sony decide to make a shift now? After all, NBC has announced a schedule in which the show is set to move to Friday nights and has only ordered 13 more episodes -- two moves that would signal NBC has little faith in Community's ability to blossom into a bigger hit at this point, and that these next 13 episodes will likely be the show's last. Wouldn't it have just made sense for Sony to tough it out with Harmon for a few more months, rather than risk a fan backlash over Harmon's ouster? Perhaps, but people familiar with Sony's thinking say the studio is probably figuring that while Community with Harmon would have almost assuredly been entering its final season, a change at the top creatively might somehow result in viewers giving the series another chance and NBC becoming more invested in finding a way to keep it alive beyond the 13 episodes ordered. The studio has been tenacious in the past when trying to keep assets alive (it found a way to get Til Death and Rules of Engagement into syndication), and it didn't want Harmon to be the one person determining whether or not Community lived to see 100 episodes. Sony might have also taken into account NBC chief Bob Greenblatt's ambivalent at best attitude toward Community in general and Harmon in particular. The entertainment division chief could not have been much less supportive of Harmon than when he told Vulture he wasn't too concerned about the possibility of a Harmon exit. "Shows lose showrunners all the time and do well," he said.

And yet, bringing on Guarascio and Port is no guaranteed solution. In fact there's a chance fans could revolt if they believe the show's quality has suffered because of Harmon's absence. Harmon has cultivated a strong following on Twitter and via his blog, and it's a certainty that this constituency will see Harmon's exit as nothing short of a catastrophe. Whatever Harmon's reputation, in multiple conversations with Vulture, people associated with the show-- even some who've had issues with his management style -- have repeatedly called him the creative soul of the series, much as Aaron Sorkin was the beating heart of The West Wing. (Sorkin, of course, exited that show three years before its cancellation). One of Community's biggest assets has been its loyal fan base and strong social media presence, and Sony is undoubtedly inviting a backlash by its actions. And yet: It's also quite likely that many fans of the show have no idea who writes or runs the show, and watch only because of the characters on it and the actors -- Joel McHale, Yvette Nicole Brown, Donald Glover, et al -- who play them. If the new team produces funny episodes, Twitter's opinion might not matter.
 
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