Conan - Part 1

[Panthro]

Pictures from Empire magazine: http://www.conanmovieblog.com/2011/03/03/empires-april-2011-issue-including-the-debut-of-khalar-zym/

Looking good.

 

[Speedball]

This film is turning out to look pretty fantastic. He looks just like Conan from the comics.
Jason Momoa has big year ahead of him, because he's Conan and Khal Drogo in A Game of Thrones.

 

[Bug-Eyed Earl]

The killing of his father and the village slaughter will be just about the only thing in common with th 82' film. .

Plus that idea didn't originate with that film; I saw a Savage Sword of Conan panel that showed conan forging a sword, vowing to avenge his murdered family. SS was around in the early 70s; it had aquite a long run, so who knows if that predated the movie.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, come to think of it, i'm pretty sure all the Cimmerians got slaughtered in the REH stories too.

 

[ChickenScratch]

No, there are many wars and skirmishes in the stories but the Cimmerians were never defeated or destroyed, REH went to great lengths to point this out several times. Cimmerians don't figure much into the stories because Conan stories are pretty much travelogues of REH's world, we never revisit them because we know all we need to from the story The Hyborian Age and from Conan himself. Cimmerians didn't build great cities nor were they any sort of real power during the Hyborian age, many of their men became mercenaries for other causes, but otherwise there is no real reason to tell a story about villages in barren crags and rocky hills.

One can posit that they are all dead because it's easy to get a movie plot rolling with some revenge rather than a 16 year old who gets a thrill from raiding his neighbors for plunder, then moves on to bigger things in more established places.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I'm pretty sure his father died in the old books though. I think it was just a regular battle though, and I remember him claiming his fathers sword.

Edit: Wait, I think i'm mixing things up. I was thinking about how he is born on the battlefield. I'm pretty sure he does just get the wanderlust and say "See you guys, i'm outta here". That's the problem with Robert E. Howards stuff, there are a lot of missing facts and it's hard to put the order of all the stories together... It's like "Wait, Conan is a pirate now? What happened to his wench from the last story?"

 

[ChickenScratch]

That's because he was meant to be that way, make what you will of the continuity. REH was clearly infatuated with the idea of Hyborea, just read the short story for proof. Stories are set in different countries, kingdoms, political climates, because that's what he wanted to show, Conan's the constant.

But it's hard for movie audiences who have never read a full Conan story to get that he has wanderlust and moves from place to place and gets into adventures along the way. The easiest explanation of him leaving his village was his inherent intelligence. He's pretty much genius level intelligent, he does not belong living among the crags, eking out a living from the rocky land and the occasional raid. But revenge is easier for the populous at large to grasp I think, and since he leaves and never returns it gives them full license to make up stuff.

 

[Doc Ock]

This film is turning out to look pretty fantastic. He looks just like Conan from the comics.
Jason Momoa has big year ahead of him, because he's Conan and Khal Drogo in A Game of Thrones.

I hope he is Ronon Dex again someday...

 

[Shawn Wayne]

I am cautiously optimistic for this film but doesn't Conan have smoldering blue eyes?

 

[rogue trooper]

Momoa wore blue contact lenses. On some action scenes he didn't wear them and supposedly the blue will be added with cgi.

 

[Shon]

The killing of his father and the village slaughter will be just about the only thing in common with th 82' film. How Conan goes on through life after the slaughter will be a different route from the original film, I believe.

Yes, this film is more a pastiche, but one that will be more faithful in spirit to Howard than Milius was.

both movies are basically the same - a certain person comes through and slaughters his family and village - he spends his days seeking revenge against that specific person.

Arnold's movie it was James Earl Jones

Momoa's movie it is Stephen Lang.

rehash - whatever. I just hope it is good - the new pictures give me hope but i would rather see more muscle on Momoa.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Wait, so it's rehashed plot because it has a villain in it too?

Seriously dude, after like, what, a page and a half proving the differences between the two concepts for the films, you're going to sum up it's a rehash with those two points?

 

[Shon]

Wait, so it's rehashed plot because it has a villain in it too?

Seriously dude, after like, what, a page and a half proving the differences between the two concepts for the films, you're going to sum up it's a rehash with those two points?

not sure what your issue is but you seem to have a tough time putting two and two together here - much like your earlier "what's your point" post. You bagged on the original when in fact the remake is the same.

The basic premise of this movie is exactly the same as the Arnold film is what i am saying, more so that just his family being killed. the driving force of the character is revenge and he spends the entire movie with one goal in mind - seeking out and finding this one individual and exacting this revenge. No new motivations or emotions for the character, no new plot for the film and no new basic story element. Seems pretty obvious - sorry it was too much for you to comprehend. Sure they will change what happens to him along the way but the basic core elements will remain the same.

You are not even worth talking with.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

Cool pics. I'm excited to see a trailer.

 

[batsfan81]

Trailers been classed, maybe coming soon:

http://www.albertafilmratings.ca/recentclasstrailers.aspx

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Oh my god, you've opened up a world of possibilities for me... That means Spider-man is just a rehashed version of Batman because it's about someone who becomes a superhero to fight for justice over the loss of a loved one.

Yeah dude, I understood your point, it was just totally weak sauce. So the character will have the same motivation the movie is exactly the same? Like scene for scene? If you read the full synopsis of the movie, from like the second par onwards it diverges. The synopsis itself sounds loads more REH than the Arnie ones ever did.

But hey, if i'm not worth talking to, great. One less mindless idiot to talk to on the hype is a good thing, right?

 

[ChickenScratch]

Calm down Wolvie. He's obviously not read REH and is grasping at superficialities to try to make his point. The Cimmerians were never defeated, Conan was never enslaved, Valeria didn't die that way, "The Thing In The Cave" was forced into the movie it seems, etc.

The new movie using the same revenge motivation is disconcerting, but I like what I see so far.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

Anyone know when the trailer comes out?

 

[rogue trooper]

^^Sometime in April, last we heard. It might be attached to "Fast Five", I figure.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

^^Sometime in April, last we heard. It might be attached to "Fast Five", I figure.

Thanks

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

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[LongDong]

Oh my god, you've opened up a world of possibilities for me... That means Spider-man is just a rehashed version of Batman because it's about someone who becomes a superhero to fight for justice over the loss of a loved one.

Yeah dude, I understood your point, it was just totally weak sauce. So the character will have the same motivation the movie is exactly the same? Like scene for scene? If you read the full synopsis of the movie, from like the second par onwards it diverges. The synopsis itself sounds loads more REH than the Arnie ones ever did.

But hey, if i'm not worth talking to, great. One less mindless idiot to talk to on the hype is a good thing, right?

wow

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

wow

I have to say i have more respect for his rant than your 'wow', at least he is contributing to the discussion, rather than just coming in to have a dig at someone.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Coming from the guy who wrote '....................' two posts prior :P

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Coming from the guy who wrote '....................' two posts prior :P

I did write up a post thanking Chicken Scratch for posting up the links to the REH books, as a few months ago had been wondering what the best editions for them were. But, I have been having problems with some people on the forum recently, and I thought that the way my post was worded, could have been mis-construed as a hidden messgae/attack on someone, so i took it down.

Ok, I was standing up for your post back there, but i maybe should not have called it a 'rant', sorry about that, but, a rant is not always a bad thing y'know, as long as you don't lose your temper while doing it and keep your cool.
I actually agree with your points, I'm no kiss ass bub, so don't think i am saying that as you just had a go at me, there are not that many people on this forum whose hate would bother me.