Conan - Part 2

Well, clearly not everyone. But ok, don't let me get in the way of your rampage.

Aye, try to make out I'm angry and on the rampage, when I'm in actual fact, feeling very cool, calm and collected.

I'm here to discuss Conan, and all I'm doing is defending myself from obvious attacks, calling trolls out on their bs, it's all very plain and simple for intelligent people who are intersted in the truth.

You know damn well that Wolvieboy17 cloaked that insult towards me in a post in reply to you, because I was viewing the thread at the same time, it's a common practice for internet sneaks to get in a personal insult.
Now, I suffer personal insults everyday on the boards, I ignore most of them, but something had to be said to that, I'm not gonna have children come in and bring up serious sh** with me, and then have some other bozo come in and insult me further on top of that, wihout calling them out on their transparent trolling.

You've never liked me anyway, you're just trying to provoke me as well, or at least make out I'm angry and out to cause trouble, I'm not bothered, it's just, sometimes certain things have to be said when other people are trying to cause trouble, or go too far with the insults.
 
Not awkward at all, that's exactly what he was referring to, post up some cover if you will, but everyone knows what he was talking about there.

Until a couple of posts ago when you said something about being an alcoholic....I knew nothing about you being an alcoholic. Apparently Whiskey Tango knew nothing about you being an alcoholic either. Did you forget to tell all of you were Charlie Sheen or something? Because this paranoia and feelings that everyone knows everything about your life is troublesome.
 
Until a couple of posts ago when you said something about being an alcoholic....I knew nothing about you being an alcoholic. Apparently Whiskey Tango knew nothing about you being an alcoholic either. Did you forget to tell all of you were Charlie Sheen or something? Because this paranoia and feelings that everyone knows everything about your life is troublesome.

Listen man, I do respect you, and I don't want to take this thread offtopic anymore, so I'm not gonna drag this out any further, suffice to say, I'm 100% on the intention behind that remark, he went a little too far bringing that up.
That's why i posted that diatribe about youngsters who have never been tested in life before.
and that's why I responded to the other guy, ending our debate, as he slipped a little wind up in there about being stupid if you get wound up over nothing, when he knew in actual fact, it was not nothing.

Anyway, I'm just here to relax and give my brain a stretch talking about art and creativity while i recuparate from illness, and I've given my rebuttals in regards to the agent provocateur and personal stuff, so I'll take a walk out of this thread until i've seen the new Conan flick and can comment on it.
 
Knock it off guys
 
So this guy gets to accuse me of some horse**** conspiracy where we're all allegedly snickering behind his back because he's an alcoholic and you're going to let that stand but I'm not allowed to defend myself? And you leave the post where he doubles up and acts like I'm trolling him and instigating when I simply tried to point out that Wolvie's comment wasn't (as far as I know) even directed at him in the first place?

That ain't right Morg.
 
So this guy gets to accuse me of some horse**** conspiracy where we're all allegedly snickering behind his back because he's an alcoholic and you're going to let that stand but I'm not allowed to defend myself? And you leave the post where he doubles up and acts like I'm trolling him and instigating when I simply tried to point out that Wolvie's comment wasn't (as far as I know) even directed at him in the first place?

That ain't right Morg.

Calm down whiskey...I brought bum to the other mod's attention this morning because of his posts in here...we're on it.
 
I stand by what I said, but I would take down the replies I made today for the sake of harmony, and getting the thread back on track. But I guess the mods are looking over those for some kind of 'investigation', so I better leave them alone.
 
I dont Get why Hollywood doesnt make People of the Black Circle a movie, it writes itself....same with Hour of the Dragon for a more Tolkien esque epic feel.

It was cool to hear the elephant tower mentioned.

What was nice was to see some Lovecraftian feel , like the final scene and the squid monster.

I did think that battle with the Squid thing was poorly executed in 3d...had it been a stronger scene, it could have really added to the film.
 
I saw the movie for the second time today. I enjoyed it even more this time, and somehow I appreciated the musical score more!
 
You know I actually did not have a problem with the music except in 2 parts.

1 the beginning, right after the intro by freeman
2 the end when there is the final fade

Both those circumstances would have been a Holy Shizz moment had they had better
Music.


I was actually thankful that there wasnt any Heavy Metal like the commercials (though I am a huge metal fan)
 
Wait, the movie references the elephant tower? Dannnnnnnnnnnng, bring that on for the sequel!
 
Wait, the movie references the elephant tower? Dannnnnnnnnnnng, bring that on for the sequel!

It does , when they are in the bar. His Black friend brags about conan's exploits in the elephant tower.
 
Wait, so in this movie, Conan has ALREADY been to the elephant tower? Lame.
 
He has..from the look of it and his rep, he also has been Amra the Pirate. Too, as he has a ship and a loyal crew. It could be more or less in the middle of those times...although it's either in the middle or at the end...becuase he does have a history with them. No mention of Belit, "Amra" though...not that I noticed.
 
I hope that doesn't rule out seeing those adventures in a sequel.
 
He has..from the look of it and his rep, he also has been Amra the Pirate. Too, as he has a ship and a loyal crew. It could be more or less in the middle of those times...although it's either in the middle or at the end...becuase he does have a history with them. No mention of Belit, "Amra" though...not that I noticed.

But they are in the noval for the movie. The noval to me implies that Belit's death was some what recent as in maybe a year or two before the movie takes place. I'll have to look but in the noval Conan does mention being called Amra while fighting Ukafa but I'm not sure if the name Amra is used.
 
Damn I want a sequel to this, Mamoa has such a great on screen presence as Conan. I'd love to see more, hopefully an adapted version of "people of the black circle." either way I'm eager for more.
 
Here's an interesting review of the film from Howard-scholar and biographer Mark Finn. Those who are only familiar with Conan from Arnold's films should, especially, check it out: http://www.revolutionsf.com/article.php?id=5267


Ive been trolling the REH boards and some of those people are level headed, others are what i call "smart" clueless people.

I disagree with the opinion that Milius CTB was a poor film. It was a legendary film, and the penultimate barbarian movie.

It did, bend and twist some of REH's stories. For shame. It's not like this is not extremely common and almost a rule for any kind of hollywood adapations of books, and in this case mostly serialized pulp stories published in pre-WWII strange fiction magazines.

The author's insinuating that M CTB was some sort of affront that needed to be rectified, is ridiculous.

M CTB was actually very well researched. The tale contains referecnes to many of REH's actual tales, or amalgams of such tales. The art and costume design borrowed heavy from Frazetta and Vallejo.

But where M CTB really excelled was the great artistry and cinematography. Music from Basil P, imagery and well crafted film making.

I just don't see how these REH boarders think. I can see Arnold's conan was not perfect. But it was a great Movie, and despite the differences, not the worst affront to REH.


..Other than that agree with everything the guy said about the new movie.

..Supposedly the script for part 2 is already leaked on those REH boards
 
Thoughts/Ramblings on Conan the Barbarian, i can say already that the 3D adds nothing to the movie, so go see it in 2D.

The movie opens with Morgan Freeman narrating, and when it shows how Conan was more or less born, this is so ridicilously unintentionally funny that it really gives the viewer a very bad 1st impression, when we see Young Conan prove his worth at the very next scene, i still can't get my mind off the very opening of the movie. Ron Perlman plays as Corim, the father of Conan who trains him and pretty much teaches him the riddle of steel, awesome. Granted the way Ron was doing the forging was, well really bad, i guess noone knew how proper blacksmithing is done during the set, because Perlman sure didn't.

The movie seems to kinda suffer finding it's roots and what kind of an film it truly is, is this an hardcore brutal R-rated revenge movie about a Barbarian getting his desires or is it an epic adventure film where the whole world is at stake as the ancient evil forces are about to return and a skilled warrior is needed to stop this ancient evil from rising and taking over the world. Really the first two acts of the movie are good, this movie has a epic set up (it's Hyboria for pete's sake!) but it just gets too mussed together at the end as they felt they absolutley had to connect Conan's story with Tamara's.

Conan the Barbarian (Jason Momoa) is an adventurer with Artus the Pirate (Nonso Anzonie) as his companion and thru the film Conan gains new friends such as Tamara (Rachel Nichols), she fills the role of damsel in distress in the 3rd act too sadly and you got Ela-Shan (Saïd Taghmaoui) the most succesful thief when it comes to unlocking any lock there is, why is this? Is it because he's the most talented mastes of unlocking? Is he a wizard or something more than the eye can see? Nah, actually he has this key-ring collection of multiple keys, so the question remains: Why doesn't he just make copies of this key ring and give it to Conan? <_> Yes, there is some unlocking needed and the guy claims he is a coward, so thats why i'm pondering about this.

The villains in the movie are Khalar Zym (Stephen Lang) and his daughter Marique (Rose McGowan) and i really liked how Rose was acting in this film, granted her character's dialogue is incredibly poorly done, but what i liked about her performance is that she's this weirdly looking yet also cute warrior princess who is so sadistic. She felt like Harley Quinn with no morals and no cute cover up, she was just a nasty piece of work. What however fails with her is that all her major dialogue was pretty much exposition, she either explained something that happened in the past, just recently happened, what the villains are planning to do and how. Thats her role in the movie more or less. Stephen Lang seemed to have a good time, but it's nothing too special, he comes off as your badass warrior general, but he doesn't have any memorable scenes.

The action scenes on the battlefield are incredibly well done, the coreography really works there. It really sets you to the mood of the battlefield. Really all the action scenes that happen outdoors we're really visually pleasing, but when it came to inside building fights sucha s the Castle or the final dungeon, it had some really weird quick editing where you had no idea what was really happening. It also has one action scene that serves absolutely no point to the plot, this is the Conan vs. Kraken monster you guys see in the trailer, it adds absolutely nothing to the movie and feels like a video game boss that Conan had to defeat to gain acces to the next stage.

The soundtrack in this movie isn't anything special or memorable, i will remember 2 songs, because both of them had that chorus type singing to give it an "epic" feeling, one was more adventure themed and the other one was like those ancient evil hymmings when you summon Cthulu or something. :p

Now the best part about this movie is easily Jason Momoa's acting, my god does he sell the role. Infact i didn't even see him as Jason or Khal Drogo from Game of Thrones, this was Conan the Barbarian. The smirks, his love for good fights and tavern nights with his friends, the cynical and absolutely brutal acts he does to his enemies and those that he hunts, his battle skills, his movements and him dual wielding two broad swords, oh yes. <3

Ultimately the movie accomplishes showing Jason Momoa's talent as an actor, this is his 2nd role as a Barbarian Warlord as he had a similiar role in Season 1 of Game of Thrones as Khal Drogo, the 2nd accomplishment the movie has is destroying the Phantom's headquarters and finally putting that pulp hero to permament retirement, so we don't have to fear for the return of Billy Zane. The movie didn't hit the box office in USA, but hopefully during this weekend it has a good opening in Europe so it can pull off the Expendables where 62% of the profit comes from international market, because there definately should be a potential for more R-rated fantasy movies, thats what i atleast prefer to think.

7/10 - I liked it, mostly in an ironic way.
 
Ive been trolling the REH boards and some of those people are level headed, others are what i call "smart" clueless people.

I disagree with the opinion that Milius CTB was a poor film. It was a legendary film, and the penultimate barbarian movie.

It did, bend and twist some of REH's stories. For shame. It's not like this is not extremely common and almost a rule for any kind of hollywood adapations of books, and in this case mostly serialized pulp stories published in pre-WWII strange fiction magazines.

The author's insinuating that M CTB was some sort of affront that needed to be rectified, is ridiculous.

M CTB was actually very well researched. The tale contains referecnes to many of REH's actual tales, or amalgams of such tales. The art and costume design borrowed heavy from Frazetta and Vallejo.

But where M CTB really excelled was the great artistry and cinematography. Music from Basil P, imagery and well crafted film making.

I just don't see how these REH boarders think. I can see Arnold's conan was not perfect. But it was a great Movie, and despite the differences, not the worst affront to REH.


..Other than that agree with everything the guy said about the new movie.

..Supposedly the script for part 2 is already leaked on those REH boards

I very much like Milius' film. It has plenty of merits, no doubt.

Still, I hope that once Nispel's film hits dvd and blu-ray, and people see the film and also see possible featured documentaries regarding the character's history, they will now have a more clear idea of what Conan is and what he isn't, so that when a another Conan film comes(be it a sequel to Nispel's or another reboot) they'll be ready this time.
 
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