Constantine General Discussion Thread

[Tanin]

Then they should have taken the show to a network that would have done him justice instead of watering him down.

 

[craigaat]

Then they should have taken the show to a network that would have done him justice instead of watering him down.

 

[The Endless]

Why exactly can't we see him smoke? It's not as though it's glamorizing smoking. It's actually anti-smoking.

 

[Paradox1]

How much of ones identity can be tied to smoking? Is his smoking comparable to like Superman's cape or Batman's utility belt? I just don't understand why this is a constant subject that's brought up. I've never read hellblazer so I really don't know:

 

[The Endless]

It's pretty much one of his major defining traits and has made for some great story lines.

 

[Fallen Angel]

it's one of his characteristics. He's a heavy smoker and he also swears a lot but you can't have that.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Corrigan.

Gotham has Crispus Allen, so if Constantine uses Corrigan and Arrow and Flash follow through on all those Green Lantern teases, we'll have a Spectre on every network with a DC show.

 

[chamber-music]

Constantine is self destructive as evident by his life style which include chain smoker, heavy drinking and being a magic adrenaline junkie. The characters comic was originally going to be called hellraiser before the movie beat the comic makers to the punch.

One of the most famous storylines involving the character involves him getting lung cancer.

It's not just in the vertigo Hellblazer series that the character smokes. Even in the nu52 the character is a chain smoker.

In the UK this wouldn't even be an issue on tv show is going out at 9/10 at night as we have a watershed that means anything after 9pm is classed as adult television.

Anyone who takes up smoking because a character does in a movie or television show is an easily influenced idiot. If you want to smoke then smoke but don't do it because you think its cool that fictional character does it.

 

[chamber-music]

it's one of his characteristics. He's a heavy smoker and he also swears a lot but you can't have that.

They are probably just going to use a bunch of British rude words and slang as they can get away with that on American networks.

Joss Whedon got away with Loki calling Black Widow a old fashioned rude word that would not of got into the avengers if it was commonly known what the word meant.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Oh bollocks I forgot about that. Yeah they'll get away with it.

 

[kvz5]

Angelica Celaya Boards NBC's 'Constantine' as Zed

 

[Sawyer]

Posted about a page or so back. But if it distracts us from this played-out whining about his smoking, then I'll take it.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Posted about a page or so back. But if it distracts us from this played-out whining about his smoking, then I'll take it.

Smoking is cool man all the cool kids are doing it.

 

[WBwins]

Very happy Livs out.Actress was terrible and eyerollworthy

 

[Great Mind(s)]

Does everyone who seems to not care about the smoking not read the comic?

 

[declan]

The Spectre Is Coming

Thanks. I really liked Goyer's comments.

ouch, replacing the actress could mean two things. Either the actress was terrible in the original pilot, or the character didn't work for a recurring role in the show.

I saw the pilot and I thought it was alright, the main lead girl was okay, i mean, it was a pilot, she is beautiful and cute, but i didn't feel like she acted terrified of what she was experiencing. At the same time, I don't see her being helpful in the show, she had psychic abilities, whooptido. I think they wanted to give Constantine a love interest, and if the article is saying that in the comics, this new character was his love interest, than it makes sense. SO, it may have been the characger didn't work (just like in the movie with Rachel Weiz)

Spoiler

I'm just impressed they're making such a significant change after so many have seen the pilot, and how different will it be in two weeks? I prefer radical surgery to a slow creeping death.

That's interesting but I'd rather have Dr. Fate be the spinoff. I'm not a fan of the
Spectre for superficial reasons I have a strong dislike for his costume.

t: Really? Fate's helmet is cool, but that costume is pfugly. The Spectre's appearance/costume is inferred to be completely conceptual in the eye of the beholder. But I will say Fate would translate better to TV, because The Spectre is too damned powerful, even if they go the Corrigan route.

No, Swamp Thing. Because 1)The wide audience need to experience a famliar area and figure when we first met Constantine all those 29 years ago and 2) It'd be very fitting for Swampy to be spun-off from the show.

Fate and the Spectre can settle for TV Movies or Specials

Swampy has to come in - preferably in season 2 - and won't it be fun to reverse our experience of 29 years ago? Hell yes.

Posted about a page or so back. But if it distracts us from this played-out whining about his smoking, then I'll take it.

I'm tired of talking about it too, but the "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes" element can be done in different ways (as Goyer points out) so I'm good.

This is a kind subforum. Rational, caring, hopeful... and it's about bloody Constantine. Life is strange.

 

[LaughingMage]

How much of ones identity can be tied to smoking? Is his smoking comparable to like Superman's cape or Batman's utility belt? I just don't understand why this is a constant subject that's brought up. I've never read hellblazer so I really don't know:

Considering that one of his crowning moments in the comics was a direct result of his constant chainsmoking... yes, yes it is a defining trait. As for the show. One thing really, really irks me, Constantine comes off as a bit of a suck up to heaven, whining that his soul is damned. Considering, that Constantine in the comics, despises heaven as much as hell because he considers them a bunch of litte tyrants and god a madman, him whining to the angel and searching redemption is a bit of a slap in the face. That and his trenchcoat is way to short. ^^

 

[Sawyer]

It's not so much that I don't care about the smoking, but that I find the almost non-stop b****ing about to it to have completely eclipsed the lack of smoking in terms of things to be annoyed by.

 

[LaughingMage]

It's not so much that I don't care about the smoking, but that I find the almost non-stop b****ing about to it to have completely eclipsed the lack of smoking in terms of things to be annoyed by.

well like I said, it is an important character trait, the char doesn't feel right without it.

 

[Tanin]

It's not so much that I don't care about the smoking, but that I find the almost non-stop b****ing about to it to have completely eclipsed the lack of smoking in terms of things to be annoyed by.

Nothing else to really ***** about with so little knowledge of the show. Everything else seems to be decent to great. At least for now.

 

[Snow Queen]

Nothing else to really ***** about with so little knowledge of the show. Everything else seems to be decent to great. At least for now.

Well, there's always that he's not bi either.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Being upset about the smoking, I understand. I personally don't give a ****, but I understand because that's his trademark and leads to a few important storylines (ones they probably wouldn't want to adapt anyway since they're doing their own thing). But the bisexual thing... Wasn't that mentioned like... Twice in the comics?

 

[Tanin]

Well, there's always that he's not bi either.

When did the production say that he was heterosexual?

 

[Snow Queen]

When did the production say that he was heterosexual?

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/07/13/constantine-bisexual-smoking/?hootPostID=a29fd38e0e42ba3e46eab2a13a9eb56a

First paragraph:

Ever since NBC announced it was taking on DC Comics’ character of snarky John Constantine, aka Hellblazer, some fans have wondered: Will the broadcast TV version played by Matt Ryan this fall be bisexual like in the comics? When asked about this at the Television Critics Association’s semi-annual press tour Sunday, executive producer Daniel Cerone ran down the various editions of the character that have existed since the demon fighter was introduced in 1985 to suggest his sexuality is not a crucial aspect of the character (nearly all of the character’s relationships in the comics have been with women). “In those comic books, John Constantine aged in real time,” he said. “Within this tome of three decades [of comics] there might have been one or two issues where he’s seen getting out of bed with a man. So [maybe] 20 years from now? But there are no immediate plans.”

 

[Tanin]

Hell I'm bisexual and if they toss that out I don't care. It was only mentioned a handful of times and he lies so often I'm not sure if he was serious or just trying to earn someones trust.
That sounds more like his current love interest will be female... maybe later then an outright no.