BvS Constructive Criticism of BvS, MoS, and Zack Snyder's Directorial Style

[roach]

Not really, Jor El's dialogue was well written and Zod's dialogue was not bad either.

People mostly remember some cringe worthy lines that Goyer wrote, and yeah those were @i!%.

Then the actual critique should be that the dialogue was "uneven" (sometimes good, sometimes bad) over dialogue was "crap".

 

[The Shape]

The worst moment and line of dialogue in MOS, for me, is after Superman saves the city from the World Engine and has that moment/kiss with Lois before the final Zod fight. So silly, inappropriate, and shoe-horned in there.

A similar and even worse example of something like this is the kiss between Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard in Jurassic World. I laughed out loud in the theater at that.

 

[BH/HHH]

I really do not understand the issue with the kiss, it happens in movies all the time. I mean is it anymore ridiculous than Batman telling Rachel "it's not who I am underneath..." when Gotham's been torn apart by psychopaths? I just don't find moments like that all ridiculous. You've been through or are going through hell, you take a moment. It happens.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

I really do not understand the issue with the kiss, it happens in movies all the time. I mean is it anymore ridiculous than Batman telling Rachel "it's not who I am underneath..." when Gotham's been torn apart by psychopaths? I just don't find moments like that all ridiculous. You've been through or are going through hell, you take a moment. It happens.

For me, I didn't have a problem with where the kiss took place, I just felt we didn't see the relationship progress enough to warrant it.

 

[BH/HHH]

For me, I didn't have a problem with where the kiss took place, I just felt we didn't see the relationship progress enough to warrant it.

Oh I'm not knocking people who have issue with it I just don't personally myself.

I dunno I think it did, they went through a lot together and in those moments when they were close like the corn field you could sense a chemistry. I feel like it's an old fashioned type if attraction, they obviously fancy each other and they have a few flirtatious scenes.

 

[roach]

Weren't they about to kiss when after they escaped from Zod's ship but Zod was Vadering Martha?

 

[The Shape]

I really do not understand the issue with the kiss, it happens in movies all the time. I mean is it anymore ridiculous than Batman telling Rachel "it's not who I am underneath..." when Gotham's been torn apart by psychopaths? I just don't find moments like that all ridiculous. You've been through or are going through hell, you take a moment. It happens.

It's not so much the kiss itself that was problematic IMO, but more so the time and place in which it happened, and also the line of dialogue that preceded it.

A well-timed kiss or moment of romantic passion in a film can be truly impactful and emotional. I didn't feel this one was. Felt out of place.

 

[BH/HHH]

It's not so much the kiss itself that was problematic IMO, but more so the time and place in which it happened, and also the line of dialogue that preceded it.

A well-timed kiss or moment of romantic passion in a film can be truly impactful and emotional. I didn't feel this one was. Felt out of place.

Fair enough, each to their own heart? t:

 

[The Shape]

After Superman lands with Lois, I think it would have been very effective to see him immediately fly off towards the destruction, frantically jetting around and pulling a few survivors from the rubble, before Zod comes out of nowhere to attack him. Then, Zod and Superman exchange those words and lead into the final showdown.

A short moment like that would have gone a long way, IMO.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

After Superman lands with Lois, I think it would have been very effective to see him immediately fly off towards the destruction, frantically jetting around and pulling a few survivors from the rubble, before Zod comes out of nowhere to attack him. Then, they exchange those words and lead into the final showdown.

A short moment like that would have gone a long way, IMO.

He did just save Lois, the one human outside of his mother and father to actually know him.

 

[The Shape]

He did just save Lois, the one human outside of his mother and father to actually know him.

Really? I thought that was Lana Lang.

 

[Rowsdower!]

The worst moment and line of dialogue in MOS, for me, is after Superman saves the city from the World Engine and has that moment/kiss with Lois before the final Zod fight. So silly, inappropriate, and shoe-horned in there.

A similar and even worse example of something like this is the kiss between Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard in Jurassic World. I laughed out loud in the theater at that.

Eh, I liked that moment and the line, even if no one else did.

The only lines that bugged me as "cringeworthy" (God I hate that word) in MOS were the ones involving the word "dick." Yeah, I know people say it all the time, and I'm as foul-mouthed as anyone, but something about hearing that word in a Superman movie just bothers me. I felt like they could have had Lois say something similar to her dick-measuring line that didn't require her to actually say the word. Same with Pete Ross's "dick splash" line. Seriously, who says that?!

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Then the actual critique should be that the dialogue was "uneven" (sometimes good, sometimes bad) over dialogue was "crap".

The whole of MOS was unevenly scripted (assuming there aren't bad directorial choices on top of that)

Great highs-Blanket scene/Lois interview scenes/Supes flying into the world engine/Supes sacrificing his innocence for mankind/Supes first flight/the beginning scene.

Low lows-Tornado scene, the kiss after the world engine. Some bad dialog here and there.

Middle quality-The action-it eats up a lot of the narrative, but it's very solid. The CodEx is an overcomplicated macguffin. I'd prefer if there were some scenes of Superman successfully taking the fight out of the city, but I can understand what Zack's going for.

So, more good than bad in MOS, but plenty of concerning content.

 

[roach]

The whole of MOS was unevenly scripted (assuming there aren't bad directorial choices on top of that)

Or the editing which is a major part of it

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Which the director should be involved in (ideally)

It all gets murky.

 

[jmc]

There's a better version of Man of Steel underneath what was presented to us. Better editing would have helped without doubt.

 

[rogbngp]

I really didn't mind the kiss in that situation at the end, although I felt that the chemistry between Superman and Lois throughout could have felt a little more convincing to warrant it.

The tornado scene is pretty whacked. But it has nevertheless grown on me. It would have worked so much better with the teen-aged actor that played Clark (e.g., in the bus scene) rather than a full grown man Clark (I know he's supposed to be 17 but he's really a man there). I look at the scene of Jonathan's death as his last moral/ethical lesson to Clark that there are some things that are bigger than any one person that heroes should be willing to sacrifice their lives for. It feels less silly to me that way, anyhow.

 

[Jaxon]

The worst moment and line of dialogue in MOS, for me, is after Superman saves the city from the World Engine and has that moment/kiss with Lois before the final Zod fight. So silly, inappropriate, and shoe-horned in there.

A similar and even worse example of something like this is the kiss between Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard in Jurassic World. I laughed out loud in the theater at that.

Clark has never been in a relationship before, he doesn't know how to share out his feelings. That sense of awkwardness was perfectly in line with his emotional state.
The issue people have with this is overlapping what they would do, not what Clark/Kal would do.

 

[rogbngp]

Clark has never been in a relationship before, he doesn't know how to share out his feelings. That sense of awkwardness was perfectly in line with his emotional state.
The issue people have with this is overlapping what they would do, not what Clark/Kal would do.

What a great point. Never thought of it that way, but yeah.

 

[Marvin]

It's not so much the kiss itself that was problematic IMO, but more so the time and place in which it happened, and also the line of dialogue that preceded it.

A well-timed kiss or moment of romantic passion in a film can be truly impactful and emotional. I didn't feel this one was. Felt out of place.

The line and the moment reminded me of Speed(joss whedon dialogue), almost.

Funny enough, alot more of that and Dean Cain may have been satisfied.

 

[The Shape]

Clark has never been in a relationship before, he doesn't know how to share out his feelings. That sense of awkwardness was perfectly in line with his emotional state.
The issue people have with this is overlapping what they would do, not what Clark/Kal would do.

No, my issue is with what the writer and director decided to have Clark/Lois say and do in that specific moment.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

"They say it all goes downhill after the first kiss".

....w-what? Who says that?

 

[DeadPresident]

"They say it all goes downhill after the first kiss".

....w-what? Who says that?

****ing humans man, humans say dumb **** like that. Kryptonians are more sophisticated.

 

[The Shape]

I expect BvS to have even more quips, one-liners, and moments of comic relief. I'm just hoping they'll serve the film a bit better than the ones in MOS did.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

They should have used a younger actor for that tornado scene. Imagine if it was the actor playing young Clark instead of Cavill trying to look 17. I think it would have resonated better with people why Clark couldn't help. Since they used Cavill, it looked like a 20 something just stood by.