Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 1

[Gusto]

When should we expect the panel to be uploaded?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Didnt see this posted

Ign's footage description


http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/12/nycc-marvel-gives-fans-first-look-at-daredevil-netflix-series

 

[Quasimod0]

Man D'Onofrio just looks perfect for Kingpin. Brilliant casting there

 

[kosh33]

http://marvel.com/news/tv/23449/aye...rtis_hall_joins_marvels_daredevil_for_netflix

Official Synopsis from Marvel

Marvel & Netflix are proud to announce that acclaimed talents Ayelet Zurer, Bob Gunto, Toby Moore & Vondie Curtis Hall have joined "Marvel’s Daredevil," an all-new thirteen-episode series premiering on Netflix in 2015.


Known for blockbuster films such as “Man of Steel” and “Angels & Demons,” Ayelet Zurer will play Vanessa Marianna, an art dealer whose chance meeting with Wilson Fisk dramatically changes their lives.


An Emmy-award nominated actor known for his powerful work in “ER” and “Chicago Hope,” Vondie Curtis Hall will play Ben Urich, an investigative journalist at the New York Bulletin who’ll soon find himself drawn into a war for the soul of Hell’s Kitchen.


Garnering acclaim for nuanced work in projects such as “The Pacific” and “John Wick,” Toby Leonard Moore will play Wesley, right-hand man and confidante to Wilson Fisk.


A veteran of blockbuster films “Shawshank Redemption” and “Argo,” Bob Gunton will play Leland Owlsley, an enigmatic and key figure in Wilson Fisk’s crusade to remake Hells Kitchen.


These four stars joins Charlie Cox (“Matt Murdock&#8221, Deborah Ann Woll (“Karen Page&#8221, Elden Henson (“Foggy Nelson&#8221, Ayelet Zurer (“Vanessa Marianna&#8221, with Rosario Dawson (“Claire Temple&#8221 and Vincent D’Onofrio (“Wilson Fisk&#8221 in the critically-lauded cast of "Marvel’s Daredevil."


“These are four of the most important roles in "Marvel’s Daredevil" and we’ve assembled actors worthy of each iconic role,” said Jeph Loeb, Marvel’s Head of Television. “Ayelet, Bob, Vondie and Toby each bring a unique charisma and power to the roles, making it immediately clear why each of their characters is so vital to the war for Hell’s Kitchen.”


""Marvel’s Daredevil" follows the journey of Matt Murdock, who was blinded as a young boy but imbued with extraordinary senses, now fighting against injustice by day as a lawyer, and by night as the super hero Daredevil in modern day Hell's Kitchen, New York City.


Marvel’s first original series on Netflix is Executive Produced by series Showrunner Steven S. DeKnight (“Spartacus”, “Buffy: The Vampire Slayer”, “Angel&#8221 and Drew Goddard ("Cabin in the Woods," "Lost," "Buffy The Vampire Slayer", in addition to writing the first two episodes of "Marvel's Daredevil"), along with Marvel TV’s Jeph Loeb (“Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.,” “Smallville,” “Heroes&#8221.


""Marvel’s Daredevil" is produced by Marvel Television in association with ABC Studios for Netflix"

 

[Hunter Rider]

The Incredible Hulk TV show.

Ahhhh, those were the days when a tin of paint was all you needed from your budget!

Thanks confirms that it is a proto suit.

I dig it, it is based in DD's roots and thus is a good choice, it also looks pretty cool.

Didnt see this posted

Ign's footage description


http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/12/nycc-marvel-gives-fans-first-look-at-daredevil-netflix-series

Me wanty!

 

[rogue trooper]

What an excellent cast added! Very happy they've added The Owl!

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I really like the description of the flashback of his ol man

 

[Mike Murdock]

Why don't they ever release comic con footage? I never got that.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Everything I'm hearing about this show seems to be living up to my high expectations.

 

[Doc Ock]

Why don't they ever release comic con footage? I never got that.

I suppose so the con-goers get something special.

 

[Six]

Anyone who saw the footage: How was Charlie Cox's voice? Was his American accent good?

 

[flickchick85]

I suppose so the con-goers get something special.

I think another reason they don't release con footage is that the target audience is different than if you're cutting something together to show the general public. They presume they're releasing something only for fans when they take it to the cons. The first footage released to the public will be designed to have a broader appeal.

 

[Doc Ock]

I think another reason they don't release con footage is that the target audience is different than if you're cutting something together to show the general public. They presume they're releasing something only for fans when they take it to the cons. The first footage released to the public will be designed to have a broader appeal.

Yeah thats probably a better reason than what I said! The footage does seem to be really made specifically for fans, and might have certain things that would just go over the heads of the general audience and possibly not gain interest.

 

[Herolee10]

Given that this is a part of the MCU and what was said about Hydra in "Agents of SHIELD", do you guys think that Hydra will, at some point, show up in Hell's Kitchen to try and recruit/eliminate Daredevil due to his gifts?

 

[Six]

I really hope at least one of the clips leaks onto the internet. If that happens I'll prepare the worlds tiniest violin for the people who got to see it in all it's glory that complain about it not being exclusive to them any more.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

^ Hehe yeah, make it real tiny.

 

[gohei_]

It was mentioned that the fight scenes were brutal, but it's hard to take that for granted cuz everyone has different opinions on such things. So I am hoping that it's at least on the same level as the fights in Arrow or even better(with a bit more acrobatics involved). That would make me satisfied.

 

[Gr0oT]

Given that this is a part of the MCU and what was said about Hydra in "Agents of SHIELD", do you guys think that Hydra will, at some point, show up in Hell's Kitchen to try and recruit/eliminate Daredevil due to his gifts?

I think DD's world should be smaller than SHIELD and Hydra. That's why he is street because he hasn't crossed their radar.

Everything is too small scale but in the end will be revealed to be as important as the big things just easier to dismiss.

AoS needs to stand on its own two feet right now.
The first three episodes combined of season two are better than the first 10-15 of season one.
The ratings might be dwindling but they are on a good enough path that they shouldn't try to directly benefit from the DD hype and actually stand out on its own.

;^}

 

[grace_Lim]

Here's the footage of the daredevil panel: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4xO7wW8ODOo
Enjoy!

 

[#root]

I'm liking everything I hear. The protosuit looks great. I'm so excited for this but May 2015 is so far away .

 

[gohei_]

Here's the footage of the daredevil panel: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4xO7wW8ODOo
Enjoy!

Will watch it straight away.

 

[Gr0oT]

Why don't they ever release comic con footage? I never got that.

Well if I could go on the Internet and see it for free why would I spend hundreds and wait hours in line?

Things like GotG and AoU teasers are incentives to go to these cons.

 

[gohei_]

So when do you think they will release any kind of footage or a trailer? Anyone know how it was done with the other Netflix shows regarding trailers?

 

[Gr0oT]

I don't think anything else Netflix compares because it didn't have the same fervor behind it as rabid fanboys do.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Okay, so, the DAREDEVIL panel. I had to queue up from just after 9am in the morning to be able to get a ticket for the panel when the show opened at 10am. It took until about 10:40, but I got the ticket! Then it was back to queue at 3:30pm in order to have a good seat for the panel at 5:15pm. We got in shortly before start time, and the warm-up guy was quite clearly stalling as he waited for a due. But finally, it was time for the panel to begin!

Jeph Loeb, producer of the show, came out and talked for a while, going through all his thank yous and acknowledgements. Then we got our first clip from the show! Right away you could tell that this show would at least LOOK right, the slick gloss of AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D. replaced with a gritty, grainy film stock. It's a stormy night, and Karen Page enters an abandoned apartment looking for some disk drive. She finds it in a hidden compartment, but once she makes to leave the apartment, a man appears behind her and slams her head against the wall. The thug casually picks up and pockets the drive, then flicks out a knife, walking towards Karen. Behind him, the door swings open, and Matt Murdock appears, dressed in a black suit that looks like a direct recreation of his proto-Daredevil vigilante gear from Frank Miller and John Romita Jr's THE MAN WITHOUT FEAR. Daredevil and the thug then proceed to have a brutal fight scene that is far better choreographed than much of the S.H.I.E.L.D. fight sequences, with some fast-moving martial arts, but also hard-hitting impact. A bit like a less violent version of the fighting style of THE RAID. Eventually, Murdock and the assailant go flying through a boarded-up window and are sent flying out into the streets of Hell's Kitchen, falling one floor, Matt bouncing off a stairway before landing facedown on the ground below. And it feels authentically like a rainy night in Hell's Kitchen, probably because that's where the show was actually filmed. Murdock's senses make the raindrops fall like hammer blows all around him as the scene fades out.

The lights to up, the audience applauds, and they start bringing out the cast. The actor playing Kingpin's henchman Wesley, Bob Gunton as The Owl, Ben Urich, Vanessa, Foggy Nelson, Deborah Ann Woll as Karen Page, Vincent D'Onofrio as The Kingpin (who perhaps got the biggest cheer of anyone) and Charlie Cox as Daredevil, with Loeb saying that Joe Quesada called him two years ago to say that Cox was the guy who should be their Matt Murdock, back before they even had the rights back. Then show runner Steven S. Deknight came out. Loeb said there was one more role to announce, and though she couldn't be here in attendance, Rosario Dawson would be playing Night Nurse... WHICH I TOTALLY PREDICTED AGES AGO WHEN DAWSON WAS FIRST ANNOUNCED! Charlie Cox said she was the heartbeat of the show. We then got our next clip.

Murdock wakes up in Clare's apartment, asking where he is. Clare tells him that she found him unconscious, wearing a mask, with three broken ribs and a possible concussion. He realises his mask is gone, looking annoyed at himself. Clare points out that Murdock shows no reaction to light in his eyes either, meaning he must be blind, then she asks what the hell a blind man was doing lying in garbage with a mask and broken ribs. He says he can't tell her anything, and not to take him to a hospital. She asks him for his name, he won't give it, so she names him Mike. She says his costume sucks, and he replies that it's a work in progress. Then she tells him to rest.

The lights go back up, and all the cast talk about their roles for a bit. The recurring thing that pops up is how character-focused the show is, how it's about internal struggle as much as external action and fight scenes. When we get to the actress playing Vanessa, this cues up another clip, possibly my favourite...

It's a bustling gallery, and Vanessa - presumably the art dealer - is walking through all these moving crowds. Her attention is drawn when she passes one painting and, amidst all this movement, she sees Wilson Fisk, his back to us, standing eerily still. He is looking at a painting which seems to just be a white blank. Vanessa walks up to him, and says the old joke that is you show a child a blank piece of paper and ask them what they see, they'll say they see a rabbit hiding in the snow. No reply from Fisk. She asks him if he's just looking or if he's interested. We see his first movement, a Gus Fring like finger tap, "I'm interested," he says. Vanessa says that some might question the value of buying art that's just gradients of white, but it's not the art itself that's important, but how it makes the viewer feel. She asks Fisk how it makes him feel as the camera slowly revolves around, building to us finally seeing Fisk's face for the first time. He turns to Vanessa and says, "It makes me feel alone." We cut back to the shot of Wilson with his back to us, Vanessa still standing next to him. As he turns to look at the painting once more, the camera slowly draws back. This scene was excellent, you could really feel the influence of the FARGO cinematographer here, and D'Onofrio oozes intensity already.

After the clip, D'Onofrio describes Fisk as "a child... and a monster," and says everything he sets into motion over the course of the series comes from his own inner sense of morality. There is more talk of character complexity here, with Deknight and Loeb discusses how our allegiances will actually shift during the show, with Matt at times seeming like he's going too far, and Fisk actually seeming sympathetic and like a character worth rooting for at points. Deknight said that when Fisk's full plans are revealed, half the audience will agree he's in the right.

We then got a clip of the law offices of angels on and Murdock. Which at this stage are just an empty apartment. Clearly they are only just setting up. Karen thanks them both for helping her so much, and volunteers to be their secretary. She points out they need someone to clean up all the mess, and Murdock jokes by dead panning, "Wait... this apartment isn't tidy?"

We segued into some questions from here. We got the usual questions about what comics influenced the actors. D'Onofrio was vague, but talked about the Frank Miller run being his main inspiration, adding that he returned to the Forbidden Planet store in New Gork he used to take his kids to weekly (this got a cheer) and they gave him a stack of books to read. Charlie Cos x's answer began shaky, him getting stammery and nervous when he began mentioning THE MAN WITHOUT FEAR but clearly forgot the name of John Romita Jr. There was a wince from the crowd when he took a swing and a miss with "Ramada." But he recovered by talking about the Bendis-Maleev run and how he felt that was the primary inspiration for his Daredevil, saying his favourite single issue was the one where Matt Murdock has to represent the White Tiger in court.

Another question was about how Netflix was different from HBO, with a Cox remarking that there was no need for cliffhangers or for catching people up on what happened before, how it's just like an immersive 13-hour movie. Then there were two really sweet questions, one from an old lady who told a story about how kind Jeph Loeb was a year earlier when he found a T-shirt for her, and another, which got a huge applause, from this young boy who says he had a serious chronic illness he was going into hospital for the next day, and how Daredevil was his favourite superhero because of how he dealt with his disability and didn't let it stop him.

To end the panel, we got an extended version of the fight scene from the first clip. After the endpoint of the first time we saw it, we cut to a flashback of young Matt, sleeping over his schoolbooks as his father comes home, beaten up for a night out fighting. Jack Murdock wakes his son up, and talks to him about how he can't give up his studies, saying he never studies, and look where it got him. Jack Murdock takes Matt's hand and guides it to his face, and Matt feels all the cuts and swelling on his father's face, Matt looking horrified as his father silently cries, a drop of blood falling onto the table. We cut back to the present, where Matt is awoken by the thunderous footsteps of the thug coming down the stairway to fight him. Matt jumps to his feet, and the hard-hitting fight resumes. I love the choreography, it looking like both guys are taking a pounding, eventually he fight ends with Matt wrapping the guy I a chain and KOing him. He takes the drive off him, and assures Karen it will find its way to the right people.

Overall, great panel. I would have loved to see the final costume, sure, but what he did see was excellent. I'm even more pumped for this show now!