Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 3

[harryoscop]

I probably wouldn't even notice such a small change.

It wouldn't be a small change, it should be pretty noticeable.

 

[kedrell]

It wouldn't be a small change, it should be pretty noticeable.

Hmm, well I'm having a difficult time picturing it in my head. But then it's late and my brain is fried up like an egg so take anything I say right now with a hefty grain of salt.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

i get the feeling we're getting a version of the black and red secret wars daredevil costume. Which is great in its own way.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Has there been any talk about how Daredevil gets his name? There are two different versions (that I'm aware of) from the comics:

1. He's a swashbuckling daredevil, so...Daredevil.
2. When Matt was a kid he was picked on and called "Daredevil" by the bullies. So...Daredevil.

The latter has been consistently used since it was introduced. Given the show's obvious favor towards The Man Without Fear, I suspect they'll use it too. But I could see both as well ("he would have to be a Daredevil to attempt something like that" or words to that effect).

 

[yllum]

I have a feeling that daredevil will appear in 2017 spider man movie.

 

[gohei_]

I have a feeling that daredevil will appear in 2017 spider man movie.

That would be cool.

 

[Dark Raven]

Actually Mr. Fear drove Gladiator insane with a toxin that removed his sense of fear, so Mr. Fear ruined Gladiator's reformation, not Purple Man.

And here is the thing with Gladiator, there was no natural story arc where he reforms, I am pretty sure Miller just retconned Melvin Potter into a psychotic, when he was written by Stan Lee, Gladiator was just a thug and a bully, he wasn't insane. So I think they would need to change and streamline things to make Gladiator's transition from villain to civilian more believable on TV. Plus if Melvin was psychotic enough to think he was in ancient Rome, I doubt Kingpin would hire him to design clothes and weapons for him.

Ok. Well I'm pretty sure Purple Man did influence Gladiator at one point to fight DD.

But I agree that he did seem like just a thug and bully. I never got any impression in all those early comics that he was insane at all. There was never any mention of him thinking he was in ancient Rome. He was just a straight up villain.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Ok. Well I'm pretty sure Purple Man did influence Gladiator at one point to fight DD.

But I agree that he did seem like just a thug and bully. I never got any impression in all those early comics that he was insane at all. There was never any mention of him thinking he was in ancient Rome. He was just a straight up villain.

Yeah, not every comics character with a lengthy publication history has a natural through-line of evolution. Often there are jarring leaps and radical reinventions as characters change with the times or as new writers try to come at them from different angles. So it's not always possible or even advisable to chronicle a comic character's whole history in adaptation.

The line from the casting news about Melvin Potter being "a man caught between a rock and a hard place" makes me think that he'll start off as a guy running a costume shop or tailors, with allusions made to his criminal past rather than us seeing him as a supervillain, with Fisk using this information as leverage to blackmail him into working for him. This may lead to a fight between Gladiator and Daredevil at some point in the season, which may then lead to Murdock seeing Potter as a basically good guy caught in a bad situation and trying his best to help him.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I was just thinking today how rich the cast of this show is. Even without getting into any original characters created specifically for the show, and even without fan favourites like Elektra, Bullseye and Typhoid Mary, from what we know so far there are going to be at least a dozen characters taken from the comics who'll be appearing in this first season of Daredevil.

 

[Dark Raven]

I was just thinking today how rich the cast of this show is. Even without getting into any original characters created specifically for the show, and even without fan favourites like Elektra, Bullseye and Typhoid Mary, from what we know so far there are going to be at least a dozen characters taken from the comics who'll be appearing in this first season of Daredevil.

Apart from these three (and not even so much Typhoid Mary for me), Gladiator is definitely a fan favourite. I'd say he's my favourite DD villain from the early comics.

Would love to see Deathstalker too. I think he's entirely possible, given what we've seen elsewhere in the MCU, particularly in AOS. But it's just whether he would fit the tone of DD at the moment. Maybe later on.

Wasn't there a DD comic where he fought Captain America in a boxing ring? That would be fun to see, although unlikely to ever happen in this series, even in a later season.

EDIT: In fact, here is the comic cover:

 

[gohei_]

^ Captain America had like a charity-fight or something, inviting whoever dared to challenge him for a sparring match. Daredevil, who was grumpy as hell (I can't remember why), swung past this place and decided to show Cap a good fight. Cap agreed but noticed something was wrong with DD so he took it pretty easy.

By the way, those body proportions

 

[Dark Raven]

^ Captain America had like a charity-fight or something, inviting whoever dared to challenge him for a sparring match. Daredevil, who was grumpy as hell (I can't remember why), swung past this place and decided to show Cap a good fight. Cap agreed but noticed something was wrong with DD so he took it pretty easy.

By the way, those body proportions

That looks like Jack Kirby's art on the cover. Although he had some imaginative concepts, it doesn't mean that his art was always that great at all. Some of it now looks positively crude and almost childlike.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

^ Captain America had like a charity-fight or something, inviting whoever dared to challenge him for a sparring match. Daredevil, who was grumpy as hell (I can't remember why), swung past this place and decided to show Cap a good fight. Cap agreed but noticed something was wrong with DD so he took it pretty easy.

By the way, those body proportions

it's forced perspective in a medium at the time that didn't have a great grasp on shading... it's clearly suppose to look like the bunch and caps leg are suppose to be "coming out at you"

 

[TheVision]

I love classic Marvel Pulp Pop Art. Esp Jack Kirbys bold explosive style.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm pretty positive that's Joe Sinott's inks over Kirby's pencils. I guess he suited Kirby, but I couldn't stand the combination of Sinott and Al Milgrom, particularly in the West Coast Avengers.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

it's forced perspective in a medium at the time that didn't have a great grasp on shading... it's clearly suppose to look like the bunch and caps leg are suppose to be "coming out at you"

It looks fine to me.

 

[DocHoliday]

I rarely pop up these days. I just wanted to point out how pumped I am for this series. When I got back into comics in 2005 my favorite was Brubaker's run on Daredevil.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I rarely pop up these days. I just wanted to point out how pumped I am for this series. When I got back into comics in 2005 my favorite was Brubaker's run on Daredevil.

I loved you in Tombstone.

 

[DocHoliday]

I loved you in Tombstone.

Isn't that a Daisy?

 

[gohei_]

it's forced perspective in a medium at the time that didn't have a great grasp on shading... it's clearly suppose to look like the bunch and caps leg are suppose to be "coming out at you"

I guess. I find it pretty ugly though.

I'm pretty positive that's Joe Sinott's inks over Kirby's pencils. I guess he suited Kirby, but I couldn't stand the combination of Sinott and Al Milgrom, particularly in the West Coast Avengers.

Actually, it's Gene Colan and Vince Colletta.

 

[Dark Raven]

Actually, it's Gene Colan and Vince Colletta.

Inside? Or on the cover? It definitely seems to be emulating Kirby and Sinott's style. There are some elements which are pure Kirby and Sinott.

 

[gohei_]

Well the issue itself is Gene Colan. Maybe the cover art isn't. I just figured whoever did the pages did the cover as well?

Edit: It would seem that it is indeed Kirby's art on the cover.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well the issue itself is Gene Colan. Maybe the cover art isn't. I just figured whoever did the pages did the cover as well?

Edit: It would seem that it is indeed Kirby's art on the cover.

It often isn't the same artist on the cover as inside. Sometimes it's that the issue artist doesn't have time, or often it's that they get a particular star artist for the cover to ensure it sells and attracts attention in the first place.

And I definitely thought it was Kirby on the cover. That hand and the squarish fingers of Cap is completely his style. So is the leg that is nearest the viewer, and also the style of muscles on both Cap and DD, plus DD's left foot are so Kirbyish. And the feathered shading and lines is typical Joe Sinott inking.

 

[Marvel Spider]

Someone pointed out how Matt Murdock from 2009's Daredevil: Noir was seemingly modeled after Charlie Cox. Pretty cool!

 

[flickchick85]

^^Wow, that's a nice find!