Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 3

[Naked Shia]

Funnily enough, I was just reading a story by Brubaker where Murdock was breaking the bones of a couple of criminals. I've seen Miller's Daredevil do stuff like that too

As I've said several times before, he's been written as someone who can lose control, and someone who sometimes will beat people more badly than say spider-man, but doig this kind of stuff is the exception, not the rule. If you examine DD's whole history, you may find a handful of instances like those ones, but it's certainly not a portrayal that represents what the character is about.

Like most people here, I've read Miller, Bendis and Brubaker's run. I've also read every Essential Daredevil volume and most of Nocenti's run. And I certainly don't remember DD being known as someone who would be that violent.

Of course, it doesn't mean he's never been that violent in somestories. but again, this is the exception, not the rule, and it's not what makes him stand out among other heroes. And I certainly hope the show won't portray him like that.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

"Curses, someone had the nerve to say something I disagreed with. Now I must use the eyeroll smiley to express my frustration!"

Funnily enough, I was just reading a story by Brubaker where Murdock was breaking the bones of a couple of criminals. I've seen Miller's Daredevil do stuff like that too

Guess those guys aren't comic book writers.

Goddamn, talk about taking one random statement and turning it into a big excuse for multi-page histrionics. Everybody be careful, don't mention anything you'd like to see in the show, a scary forum vigilante might be prowling the night, looking for something to be angry about.

 

[Naked Shia]

"Curses, someone had the nerve to say something I disagreed with. Now I must use the eyeroll smiley to express my frustration!"

Guess those guys aren't comic book writers.

Goddamn, talk about taking one random statement and turning it into a big excuse for multi-page histrionics. Everybody be careful, don't mention anything you'd like to see in the show, a scary forum vigilante might be prowling the night, looking for something to be angry about.

I'm not angry, I'm merely arguing about what, imo, would not be faithful to DD's portrayal through his long history. I wasn't trying to offend you in any way.

That said, I still think comic book characters, are, for the most part, family friendly characters. I also think mature themes and storytelling is not the same as violence for the sake of violence. Some people seem to think that dark = mature = good. Maybe it's because english is not my native language, which could explain a misunderstanding about semantics, but to me, you can have intelligent and deep stories, with a darker tone than some other comic book related stuff, while keeping it family friendly.

And in that regard, I don't think it is needed for Daredevil, be it in the comics, or in this show, to be extremely violent to get the job done.

 

[cryptic name]

Daredevil cover for an Australian magazine called FilmInk:

https://***********/filmink/status/569656392035889153

This is the only picture of this suit I haven't liked. Still looks great within the context of the show.

 

[Whatupman]

I'm not angry, I'm merely arguing about what, imo, would not be faithful to DD's portrayal through his long history. I wasn't trying to offend you in any way.

That said, I still think comic book characters, are, for the most part, family friendly characters. I also think mature themes and storytelling is not the same as violence for the sake of violence. Some people seem to think that dark = mature = good. Maybe it's because english is not my native language, which could explain a misunderstanding about semantics, but to me, you can have intelligent and deep stories, with a darker tone than some other comic book related stuff, while keeping it family friendly.

And in that regard, I don't think it is needed for Daredevil, be it in the comics, or in this show, to be extremely violent to get the job done.

I agree that Daredevil doesn't have to be extremely violent, and that dark doesn't mean mature. But even Captain America was pretty violent in Winter Soldier and must have been breaking some bones. I do think that Daredevil should be more violent than Captain America.

 

[Gr0oT]

Why?
Even if the flashback take place 17 years ago, Wade would still be a 20 years boxer.
Wade is nearly 40 in real life...

Well Charlie is a mature looking 32 year old. Anyway I won't let my internet diagnosed autism get the best of me just yet.

 

[Pokkle]

Well Charlie is a mature looking 32 year old. Anyway I won't let my internet diagnosed autism get the best of me just yet.

Matt is probably younger than Charlie cox since he juste became a vigilante.
Even if he have 32, 17 years ago, he was like 15 and was a kid.
If he have 30, 17 years ago, he was like 13 and was a kid.
If he have 25, 17 years ago, he was like 8 and was kid.
So I really don't see the problems here.

 

[marcvader]

What's the issue again?

 

[Pokkle]

I don't know.
Some people think the actor of Carl Creel is too young to have fought with the father of Matt even though I don't see why.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah he could've easily been an 18 year old up and comer at the time.

 

[marcvader]

Maybe people don't realize that in boxing you're paired up by weight class and not age. It's normal to have an amateur getting into the boxing game by padding his record fighting older has been tomato cans. It is fairly common for a 20 year old to fight a 30 to 40 year old has been.

 

[Gr0oT]

The question is, did Creel win?
Also $20 regular tickets for low level boxing sounds like what you could pay now, no?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Maybe people don't realize that in boxing you're paired up by weight class and not age. It's normal to have an amateur getting into the boxing game by padding his record fighting older has been tomato cans. It is fairly common for a 20 year old to fight a 30 to 40 year old has been.

You're not doing it properly. The proper response is to run around, waving your arms in the air, shouting "Stupid Marvel! How did they get it all wrong? This ruins everything!"

 

[Hypestyle]

the stupid black costume again. Oh, well. :-(

 

[Naked Shia]

I agree that Daredevil doesn't have to be extremely violent, and that dark doesn't mean mature. But even Captain America was pretty violent in Winter Soldier and must have been breaking some bones. I do think that Daredevil should be more violent than Captain America.

I guess I overreacted about this issue. if I did seem rude against some of you, especially whiskey tango, I apologize, it wasn't my goal at all.

 

[Whatupman]

I guess I overreacted about this issue. if I did seem rude against some of you, especially whiskey tango, I apologize, it wasn't my goal at all.

It's all good in my corner.

 

[BobJM]

Just ordered Frank Miller's Daredevil omnibus (#158-#191)--super excited to brush up on my DD lore before the show comes out.

Depending on how much I like the collection, I'll be moving on to The Man Without Fear, and Born Again.

 

[Naked Shia]

if you like the omnibus, you will love man without fear and born again.

 

[Mike Murdock]

After the omnibus, get Born Again without a doubt. It may be the best Daredevil story ever, but it works much better if you're familiar with Miller's work up to that point. There is a gap, but you can follow it for the most part (maybe a quick cliffnotes summary of relationship issues, which were the biggest changes from 191 to Born Again).

 

[metaphysician]

Why would Creel's age even particularly matter? Its not like Matt is going to have any particular motive to hunt down some random boxer who his father fought. Its not like Creel even hangs out in NYC particularly, he seems to travel about in the modern day wherever there's work for a super-thug.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I think the only complaint is whether it's a continuity error. I don't think it is. Let's go extreme: Matt was 12 when his dad died and is 32 now - that's 20 years and is more than what's likely (Matt's likely late 20s now). 18 year old Carl Creel fighting Jack would be 38 for Agents of SHIELD. Brian Patrick Wade is 36. That's entirely reasonable.

 

[marcvader]

I think the only complaint is whether it's a continuity error. I don't think it is. Let's go extreme: Matt was 12 when his dad died and is 32 now - that's 20 years and is more than what's likely (Matt's likely late 20s now). 18 year old Carl Creel fighting Jack would be 38 for Agents of SHIELD. Brian Patrick Wade is 36. That's entirely reasonable.

It isn't.

 

[Naked Shia]

I don't think it is either. But let's imagine it is: does it matter that much?

 

[fixxxer]

I don't think it is either. But let's imagine it is: does it matter that much?

No, it doesn't matter that much, but it does matter. It just says to the fans that the creators care about the small details as much as we do. I think we'll find that Mike Murdock's explanation is spot on.

 

[Surfer]

I wonder if the fight with Crusher Creel will be a variation of the fight in the comics where Battling Jack Murdock was suppose to take a dive, but doesn't and it leads to him being shot and killed.

Surfer