Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 7

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It was probably discussed during S1, but is there consensus that the actor who plays Foggy is the weakest link in terms of cast performance?

He's noticeably worse to me lol.

I agree, he was better after the reveal of who DD was but... Good actor. Often good chemistry among the Nelson/Murdock crew... I just felt they never really had a handle on what they wanted Foggy to be exactly. I say this season nix anything but "loyal friend to Matt" aspects. That's where he shines best and brightest I think.
 
I thought the guy who played Foggy (his name is slipping my mind at the moment) did a good job overall. Not a standout performance, but more than adequate. I ended up really liking and actually feeling for the character... which essentially means he did good job in my mind.
 
Thought he decent enough; likeable for the most part, but with the capacity to be a tad annoying at times.

Visually, looks like a fat Brad Pitt.
 
Is there still nothing about a blu ray release for season 1 of this yet? Marvel are missing out on some money by not releasing it IMO.
 
My housemate also mentions she doesn't like Foggy but can't tell whether it's because of a poor acting performance though she has liked him in other things or if it is because of the character.

I feel it is more because of the way the character was written. It's unclear whether they were trying to make him the bumbling sidekick who should mainly be ignored or if he should be an equal partner in the law firm who is just as important as Matt. So you get this annoying mixture of a character who just isn't all that well defined. I think that's why my favourite bit of his is when he and Karen visit their old law firm and he has a meeting with his old girlfriend and manages to prove her wrong in a smart and concise manner and it was the first time we see Foggy be strong as a character and more than some blithering idiot.
 
My friend loves Foggy to death. I personally havent seen any of the actors in this show prior to DD thus my opinion was automatically good. And he bounced off Charlie really well.
 
I love Foggy in the show and the dynamic he has with Matt and Karen. Surprised to see hate for him.
 
Foggy was ok. I think it's how he was written. He's meant to be kind of annoying.
 
I think he grew into the role as he went on, started off a little rocky but definitely improved
 
Completely agreed. At first it felt like he was still feeling out the character, but by ep 3 he seemed comfortable.
 
I definitely think his acting is the weakest out of all the cast.
 
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I know it's a little nitpick ... But I really, really hope we see that skull on The Punisher's chest at SOME point ...

I'm assuming he'll don the skull by the end of the season.
 
they're really ****ing with us at this point with no Skull in the promos.
 
they won't show it until s2 is out, no way they will

it's the ultimate tease for frank
 
I know it's a little nitpick ... But I really, really hope we see that skull on The Punisher's chest at SOME point ...

I'm assuming he'll don the skull by the end of the season.

Last 15-20 minutes of the final episode probably, and it will look clunky. :o
 
As far as the skull is concerned, you guys should't be surprised. This show takes a slow burn approach to things. At the very least, I think we'll get the skull faster than we got the horns.
 
I love Foggy in the show and the dynamic he has with Matt and Karen. Surprised to see hate for him.

I don't think anyone has expressed "hate". I just feel that for most of the season the actor and the writers didn't have a handle on who or what Foggy was supposed to be. That's a far cry from some kind of hate.
 
As far as the skull is concerned, you guys should't be surprised. This show takes a slow burn approach to things. At the very least, I think we'll get the skull faster than we got the horns.

Yeah, but I don't think it's hard to buy someone wearing a skull T-shirt while murdering criminals in the name of justice. A devil suit maybe, but not something as simple as a black shirt with the skull logo.
 
Yeah, but I don't think it's hard to buy someone wearing a skull T-shirt while murdering criminals in the name of justice. A devil suit maybe, but not something as simple as a black shirt with the skull logo.

Unless it is part of the story how he came to wear the skull. Just as there was a reason that dd wears a devil suit it might take us a few episodes for frank to decide to wear the skull. Maybe as inspiration from dd's costume. Something to instill fear.

Him not haveing the skull just builds the anticipation for when he does and i'm betting 100% he will at some point. If they show it in the promos that anticipation is gone as we've already seen him in it.
 
I don't think anyone has expressed "hate". I just feel that for most of the season the actor and the writers didn't have a handle on who or what Foggy was supposed to be. That's a far cry from some kind of hate.

Frankly, I think they handled Foggy better than many comics have. Foggy is more than the perpetual wet blanket a lot of writers use him as.

Plus, I'd argue most of the complains have been about the acting, not the writing, so I'd disagree that it's a characterization issue.
 
Variety have reviewed the first 7 episodes:

Binge viewing becomes the second season of “Daredevil.” After a mostly top-notch debut on Netflix, Marvel’s Man Without Fear begins season two on an uneven note, occasionally feeling as if he’s taken a detour from dark and gritty into the realm of Sam Peckinpah movies, complete with slow-motion bullets and blood sprays. Stick with it, though, and the show blossoms, featuring a few terrific action sequences while introducing into this grim world seminal characters the Punisher and Elektra – both mostly victimized by earlier feature adaptations. So far, the Marvel/Netflix collaboration has brought a nifty dimension to both parties.

Even with the label of street-level hero, Daredevil, the blind superhero/attorney ably played by Charlie Cox, endures plenty of punishment in his quest to rid Hell’s Kitchen of bad guys. Indeed, at times a better nickname for him would seem to be the Man Who Spits Up His Own Blood, usually while depicted in dramatic silhouette.

Having survived his first-season run-in with the Kingpin, Daredevil/Matt Murdock now faces threats new and old. First, there’s the vigilante the police have christened the Punisher (“The Walking Dead’s” Jon Bernthal), who ruthlessly mows down criminals, triggering the age-old question of the extent of the horrors a costumed crime-fighter can unwittingly unleash. In one of their brutal encounters, the Punisher (a.k.a. Frank Castle) dubs Daredevil “a half-measure,” a pansy who won’t do what’s necessary to wipe out the criminal element.After several episodes (seven were previewed), Murdoch also encounters a blast from his past, Elektra (Elodie Yung), who is not only a wealthy heiress but a trained martial artist with her own free-wheeling, sociopathic tendencies. The show flashes back to their prior relationship, where trading punches and kicks becomes an odd form of foreplay.

Having experienced behind-the-scenes changes (and returned with a staggering roster of 14 credited executive producers), the show looks a bit unsteady and feels inordinately talky in the early going. While it’s established that the milieu is essentially R-rated territory, the beginning is so dark and brooding as to border on self-parody, with the Punisher portrayed almost as a Terminator, maiming and inflicting enough torture to feel like a Tarantino homage.

Starting with the third and fourth episodes, though, the characters come into focus (and Bernthal, happily, finally gets some dialogue). Moreover, there’s an extended fight sequence in a stairwell that’s one of the more impressive action pieces this relatively modestly budgeted endeavor has produced. Yung is also a breath of fresh air, while the slow-building relationship between Matt and his office mate Karen Page (Deborah Ann Woll) begins to heat up.

Admittedly, some of the stock gang-style villains – from Irish hoods to the Yakuza – have a certain rote quality to them, and the program’s penchant for courtroom drama seems as much a means of tamping down the cost as does the dim lighting of the action scenes. The title character might be blind, but after a while, viewers might begin to question their own eyesight as well.

For the most part, though, like the Netflix/Marvel team-up "Jessica Jones", “Daredevil” very credibly meshes superhero elements with noir-ish crime, conveying the atmosphere of Frank Miller’s memorable run overseeing the comics. And if that means operating without a lot of laughs, that’s infinitely preferable to camping up the characters, which has frequently been a groan-inducer for fans.

By that measure, these Netflix programs have already leapfrogged ABC’s forays into the Marvel universe in terms of their appeal, in part by tapping into the avid fan base that supports pay models and doesn’t need to be spoon-fed plot points. In the process, they have demonstrated that it’s possible to deliver a credible superhero show without a lot of pyrotechnics – a “Daredevil” with enough sure-footed elements to survive the occasional season-two stumble.

Variety
 
Daredevil Season 2 Review (Spoiler-Free)


The bad news is that Daredevil season 2 fails to address some of season one’s weaknesses. I can't really say that there's a supporting character who has emerged to take the place of Vondie Curtis-Hall's Ben Urich, so that's a presence that feels a little missed. The pacing, handily season one’s biggest flaw, hasn’t improved, and there’s no shortage of overwritten, overwrought dialogue, often delivered in long chunks. Sometimes it’s expository (which is little excuse), and other times, well, it feels like these characters just want to hear themselves talk.
 
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