Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 8

[TheVileOne]

Yeah I'm pretty much there too.

And I don't blame Netflix if it Is Netflixs fault. You can just tell the hype has been dying down with the Marvel shows. I think they really wasted some potential with some of them and the universe as a whole

I'm sort of in a similar place. We all knew this was coming after Luke Cage got yanked. Iron Fist seemed like it was because the show didn't do as well. Then they killed Luke Cage, and now Daredevil right after a very acclaimed season 3. This is all because of Disney starting its own streaming service buying majority of Hulu and FX.

But the good news is that Season 3 at least ended with closure for most of the characters.

IMHO, my one regret is we never really got a full on awesome version of Bullseye.

Based on that corporate speak, I suspect if we ever see versions of these characters again, they will be different iterations.

 

[jmc]

Greatly disappointed in this. It does raise an interesting question as to whether too much of one brand on a platform is a bad thing though. I think the biggest problem was that Defenders acted as a quasi-Daredevil season 2.5, meaning you had to watch a lot of hours across 4 different shows to be fully invested in the whole thing, and a lot of people probably just couldn't be bothered. As for Disney+, these shows are not going on there. If anything this might sound as a warning to Disney, they won't be able to rely mostly on Star Wars, Marvel and Pixar for their service.

 

[AResistor]

Disney+ is not a guaranteed thing. I just don't see it honestly. It seems like they are more focused on making original content. Interest in these shows were already waning. Pouring money into them just for the sake of saving the series doesn't seem like smart business.

Disney+ is going to be very popular. It's got family audiences locked down. It's got film fans locked down (exclusive movies, I have no doubt some might even be Star Wars or Marvel related - films they think can succeed on streaming and not at theaters (Obi-Wan, anyone?)). It's got Star Wars fans locked down (exclusive shows by top directors with FILM CAST). It's got MARVEL fans locked down (exclusive shows with FILM CAST). PLUS - it's LESS money than Netflix. It's reaching into so many pockets of fans and demographics who are always looking for content. Only question is how big.

 

[Kuwolski]

Daredevil was still one of the most popular shows on Netflix, this was all corporate politics.

 

[Sawyer]

The TV/Film division animosity is something I didn't know, but I guess it isn't totally surprising.

 

[Marvel united]

I'm fine with that. Having a TRUE MCU Daredevil home with Iron Man and Captain America.

 

[jmc]

Disney+ is going to be very popular. It's got family audiences locked down. It's got film fans locked down (exclusive movies, I have no doubt some might even be Star Wars or Marvel related - films they think can succeed on streaming and not at theaters). It's got Star Wars fans locked down (exclusive shows by top directors with FILM CAST). It's got MARVEL fans locked down (exclusive shows with FILM CAST). PLUS - it's LESS money than Netflix. It's reaching into so many pockets of fans and demographics who are always looking for content. Only question is how big.

Less money because it will have less content, that's an issue. At Netflix prices they would need about 40m subscribers to just break even, if it's cheaper they'll need significantly more. Disney+ is not a slam dunk for Disney, they are forgoing easy money they could get from selling the rights to their stuff to companies like Netflix under the hope their brand alone gets them to compete in the streaming battles. They are at least 5 years behind every other established streaming service, maybe more. This is a serious gamble for them.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm fine with that. Having a TRUE MCU Daredevil home with Iron Man and Captain America.

I really and truly cannot state my hatred of this mentality enough.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Dumping the great show we already have so we can make a likely inferior that will cover the same basic X's and O's, more kid friendly version makes no sense to me whatsoever. Like, absolutely zero. I honestly have no interest in a new rebooted Daredevil. Honestly, I would probably not see it. If it ain't a continuation of this show in some sense, I have no interest.

 

[AResistor]

Less money because it will have less content, that's an issue. At Netflix prices they would need about 40m subscribers to just break even, if it's cheaper they'll need significantly more. Disney+ is not a slam dunk for Disney, they are forgoing easy money they could get from selling the rights to their stuff to companies like Netflix under the hope their brand alone get help them compete in the streaming battles. They are at least 5 years behind every other established streaming service, maybe more. This is a serious gamble for them.

A serious gamble for the house of mouse which owns Star Wars, MARVEL, Pixar, Indiana Jones (pretty sure), and a lot more?

Not at all. Hypotheticals:

'Cars: The Series'!

'Toy Story: The Series'!

(for the above, just look to Dreamworks Television, examples above greedy for sure since it won't equate the film content - profitable? Heck, yeah.)

'Obi-Wan: The Movie'

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Give content to Disney Channel - OR have people pay a lot more money? (no doubt in my mind one question that they thought of is can we make more money putting towards Disney Channel or ABC or a streaming service? Which way can we make more money?)

No doubt about it - it starts off costing less than Netflix to pull people in the first year, then it gradually gets a lot more expensive from there as the content starts to pour in from brands that people are known to pay hand-over-fist for. We are talking about the now top film studio after-all, it just garbled up Fox.

Universal or Sony would be dead in the water. House of Mouse? They've been the top dog since the 70s, they know what they're doing.

 

[righthooksrus86]

Screw Disney I am not subscribing...they can have their little kids shows and cute and cuddly avengers...im glad i dont have kids.

 

[righthooksrus86]

Dumping the great show we already have so we can make a likely inferior that will cover the same basic X's and O's, more kid friendly version makes no sense to me whatsoever. Like, absolutely zero. I honestly have no interest in a new rebooted Daredevil. Honestly, I would probably not see it. If it ain't a continuation of this show in some sense, I have no interest.

Same and that goes for Luke Cage, Punisher and Jessica Jones too. Im not watching rebooted pg versions of those characters.

 

[Pennywise]

I’d really hope the characters in Daredevil aren’t recast, especially Charlie! He’s perfect and he also helped make DD my favourite superhero in the MCU!!!

If they reboot, I won’t be happy! Same goes for Fisk, Punisher, Jessica, Luke, etc.

 

[Lighthouse]

The TV/Film division animosity is something I didn't know, but I guess it isn't totally surprising.

Oh yeah. If you have time, look up Ike Perlmutter, and how much he and Kevin Feige don't get along at all.

 

[AResistor]

Screw Disney I am not subscribing...they can have their little kids shows and cute and cuddly avengers...im glad i dont have kids.

Would you happen to be a MARVEL or Star Wars fan?

If a MARVEL fan - name your favorite hero, if they made that show you honestly wouldn't subscribe if that's the only way you can see it and everyone else is talking about it?

If a Star Wars fan - since many fans want this - would you honestly not subscribe if that was the only way you could see 'Obi-Wan' with Ewan and everyone was talking about it?

Greedy, yeah - but, all suits are, I'd do the same in their shoes. Plus, in my eyes, they've earned the right to be greedy.

With all these carrots to dangle - I don't see how it can't do gangbusters (and as said - no doubt in my mind, after the first year the price is going to go up).

 

[righthooksrus86]

I liked the shows about 100 times more than the movies. Shoot im probably gonna start boycotting everything Disney puts out now including marvel movies lol.

 

[Sawyer]

Screw Disney I am not subscribing...they can have their little kids shows and cute and cuddly avengers...im glad i dont have kids.

Yeah, that cute and cuddly... Infinity War.

 

[Kuwolski]

Less money because it will have less content, that's an issue. At Netflix prices they would need about 40m subscribers to just break even, if it's cheaper they'll need significantly more. Disney+ is not a slam dunk for Disney, they are forgoing easy money they could get from selling the rights to their stuff to companies like Netflix under the hope their brand alone gets them to compete in the streaming battles. They are at least 5 years behind every other established streaming service, maybe more. This is a serious gamble for them.

It makes sense for them to start building slowly with less content and established brands. This is more about them taking control of their destiny then competing with Netlix off the bat. It will take them years to get Netflix's subscription numbers, but I doubt they want to chase them like Netflix is either, investing massive amounts of money based on a theoretical subscriber base which may or may not come, or at the ratio they would like with new competition on the horizon.

 

[righthooksrus86]

Would you happen to be a MARVEL or Star Wars fan?

If a MARVEL fan - name your favorite hero, if they made that show you honestly wouldn't subscribe if that's the only way you can see it and everyone else is talking about it?

If a Star Wars fan - since many fans want this - would you honestly not subscribe if that was the only way you could see 'Obi-Wan' with Ewan and everyone was talking about it?

Greedy, yeah - but, all suits are, I'd do the same in their shoes.

Nah because I know if Disney has my favorite marvel characters on there streaming service I know damn well its gonna be reboooted, recast and kid friendly. Im not watching watered down versions of those characters.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah, that cute and cuddly... Infinity War.

If we're being honest, Daredevil season 3 was IMO the best thing Marvel put out this year. Period. If they were to do a soft reboot just so Matt Murdock could shake hands with Spider-Man, I don't find it worth it. I'd rather have the current season(s) of Daredevil preserved, as they're some of the MCU's best content already. Just expand on the already amazing version of Daredevil we have.

 

[AResistor]

Nah because I know if Disney has my favorite marvel characters on there streaming service I know damn well its gonna be reboooted, recast and kid friendly. Im not watching watered down versions of those characters.

So, that's why out of all of the Star Wars tales they could have chose to make into series first they went with:

Mandalorian
Cassian

Out of all of the characters they have, if they wanted to go kid friendly - there's so many more family friendly subjects to focus on.

First MARVEL - Loki (the villain) as well as Falcon & Hawkeye... not exactly Disney Channel fare.

There's going to be - like on Netflix - the full and child restricted modes; so no watering down necessary.

 

[Sawyer]

Oh yeah. If you have time, look up Ike Perlmutter, and how much he and Kevin Feige don't get along at all.

Oh, I figured it was referring to Feige and Jeph Loeb. I didn't think Perlmutter was hands-on in any regard.

 

[Marvel united]

Dumping the great show we already have so we can make a likely inferior that will cover the same basic X's and O's, more kid friendly version makes no sense to me whatsoever. Like, absolutely zero. I honestly have no interest in a new rebooted Daredevil. Honestly, I would probably not see it. If it ain't a continuation of this show in some sense, I have no interest.

Because it's more marketable. More marketability = more money. The Netflix Daredevil as it is now -- is not marketable to families and the usual consumers of the MCU. Daredevil being more comic booky is not necessarily a bad thing in my book. The Frank Miller version is not the only version of Daredevil out there.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

This hurts me.

 

[Kuwolski]

Nah because I know if Disney has my favorite marvel characters on there streaming service I know damn well its gonna be reboooted, recast and kid friendly. Im not watching watered down versions of those characters.

You probably won't have to, so you are in luck.