DAREDEVIL REBOOT: How would you do it?

I agree with the Batman Begins element, but I also sorta disagree. I don't know why and but I just guess that I'd like to see them go all out with this film unlike Daredevil. I want this film to have an R Rating; in-between a mild and a strong rating(if you saw the R Rated Version of Daredevil you can understand my point... I guess).

It would defanetly need a R-Rating, not quite as stronge as blade

I never watched the R-Rated DD film yet. But I heard good things about. The thing with DD [character] is that you have to look at him in two ways: Stan Lee's DD and Frank Miller's DD. And I would like a DD movie to respect both source material, especially Stan Lee's, since he created the character. But I wouldn't mind a R-Rated DD film. Yeah, it should be as strong as the Blade Films. Much more milder.

People keep saying they want a more exotic looking Elektra though so as much as I like my previous two choices and find them exotic enough, I must wonder what you guys would think of Penelope Cruz in the role.

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I haven't seen enough villains maskless to cast them.

I believe she was on the short list for the role in the original film.

I would've chose her over Garner. Garner was totally miscast. When it comes to Elektra I don't know. For me, it's a stuff one to cast.

And they didn't go with her...why?:huh: The Jennifer Garner choice still perplexes me to this day. It's like casting Jaleel White as Black Panther.
Agreed.
 
I never watched the R-Rated DD film yet. But I heard good things about. The thing with DD [character] is that you have to look at him in two ways: Stan Lee's DD and Frank Miller's DD. And I would like a DD movie to respect both source material, especially Stan Lee's, since he created the character. But I wouldn't mind a R-Rated DD film. Yeah, it should be as strong as the Blade Films. Much more milder.
It's a really good movie, you have to check it out. It really gets into much more development of the character. Yeah, I'd say to have the movie cross between those different factors to pay tribute to the men responible for the creatation of this marvelous character.
 
Yeah, I'm going to have to order it from Amazon. And I agree with you. Both Lee and Miller has contribute so much to the great DD character. He wouldn't be the marvelous character he is today without them.
 
Yeah, I'm going to have to order it from Amazon. And I agree with you. Both Lee and Miller has contribute so much to the great DD character. He wouldn't be the marvelous character he is today without them.
Yeah, I just hope that this time they get it right:csad:
 
The only problem I felt the DD movie had was that, even for the Director's Cut, the movie was too crammed. Not with characters but with history. It tried to be very ambitious by showing off all of Daredevil's great moments in one movie and forgot what made those movies great in the first place. The development that was necessary to care about what happened to these characters was almost completely thrown out the window. Elektra's death was an arc unto itself, not a sideplot. That should have been saved for a sequel or at least Matt and Elektra should have known each other for more than a few days.

The characters were fine. They were all done justice in my opinion and popped right out of the pages. They were just crammed what was essentially a 2 hour "Next time on Daredevil!".
 
The only problem I felt the DD movie had was that, even for the Director's Cut, the movie was too crammed. Not with characters but with history. It tried to be very ambitious by showing off all of Daredevil's great moments in one movie and forgot what made those movies great in the first place. The development that was necessary to care about what happened to these characters was almost completely thrown out the window. Elektra's death was an arc unto itself, not a sideplot. That should have been saved for a sequel or at least Matt and Elektra should have known each other for more than a few days.

The characters were fine. They were all done justice in my opinion and popped right out of the pages. They were just crammed what was essentially a 2 hour "Next time on Daredevil!".

it was defanitly too crammed :down
 
The only problem I felt the DD movie had was that, even for the Director's Cut, the movie was too crammed. Not with characters but with history. It tried to be very ambitious by showing off all of Daredevil's great moments in one movie and forgot what made those movies great in the first place. The development that was necessary to care about what happened to these characters was almost completely thrown out the window. Elektra's death was an arc unto itself, not a sideplot. That should have been saved for a sequel or at least Matt and Elektra should have known each other for more than a few days.

The characters were fine. They were all done justice in my opinion and popped right out of the pages. They were just crammed what was essentially a 2 hour "Next time on Daredevil!".
Well spoken, Savage. Well spoken:bow:
 
The only problem I felt the DD movie had was that, even for the Director's Cut, the movie was too crammed. Not with characters but with history. It tried to be very ambitious by showing off all of Daredevil's great moments in one movie and forgot what made those movies great in the first place. The development that was necessary to care about what happened to these characters was almost completely thrown out the window. Elektra's death was an arc unto itself, not a sideplot. That should have been saved for a sequel or at least Matt and Elektra should have known each other for more than a few days.

The characters were fine. They were all done justice in my opinion and popped right out of the pages. They were just crammed what was essentially a 2 hour "Next time on Daredevil!".

I agree with you, but I still didn't like Colin Farrell as Bullseye and Garner as Elektra. Ben was okay but nothing special. The movie did seem crammed, and it seem that things happen so quickly. Elektra should've been saved for the sequel. Karen Page should've been the love interest in the first film. She is a main factor in Matt's life, not just some woman who is there to look pretty. Her character should've been develope, too. Kingpin's character should've been develope more. There's plenty of other stuff that bothered me about Mark's DD, but I really don't want to make myself sound like a complainer. I just think this movie was made for a cash-in. It wasn't thought out properly. It could've been better.
 
Oh it was definately made to cash in after Spider-man's release. The budget was actually boosted to add more CGI so it could be more like Spider-man, which was popular at the time. MSJ wanted to go practical (and you can even see that in the teaser trailer) but those scenes were replaced with CGI and the movie went from R to PG-13 for the theatrical release. If Fox hadn't interfered then I'm sure even the Director's Cut would have been a much, much different film.

I liked Collin Farrel's Bullseye though. That guy was just magic onscreen and did the character true justice in my opinon. True psychotic. Jennifer Garner's acting was great as well. She PLAYED Elektra good but her looks still bothered me. She just wasn't right for the role. The make-up crew should have at least dyed her hair and made her skin appear darker anyway.

Ben Affleck was Matt Murdock and Daredevil for me. People like to hate on the guy but you compare the character in the comics with his performance and there really wasn't more that he could've done.
 
Agreed, Bullseye was cool as hell, and Affleck was pretty good, the movie would have just been better off with an R rating and less CGI.
 
I thought Colin's Bullseye was dull and boring. Maybe it was just me. I think they should've hold off with the Bullseye character instill the sequel. Like I said before, things in the movie just happen so quickly. I wanted the movie to be more develope. I wanted to see a DD trilogy. I like the route where Nolan's Batman films are going. One day I would like to see the same routine pulled with the DD franchise.

The CGI made the some scenes looks too cartoonish. DD is not Spider-Man. He doesn't need all that flashy CGI. Could've easily been avoided, but hey, we're talking about Fox here.
 
yeah, The only things fox ever did that was good was leave the simpsons on the air, and bring back family guy, also malcolm in the middle and that 70's show.
 
Exactly. People at Fox saw that Spider-man was a success and figured "Comic book movie? Can you make it like that uh...uh...uh--Spider-man! Can you make it like that?!".

Even the sex scene was shot and made for the theatrical release because...well, it's Fox. Those guys love sex and seem to think that it can sell just about everything.
 
Lol, True. Fox should be banned from making superhero movies. I hope some othe company buys the rights and recreates the DD franchise. Say New Line?
 
New Line Cinema or Lions Gate Films would have been terrific for a Daredevil movie. Those guys are less hands on than Fox and they leave a lot of their trust in their directors. Rarely do you ever hear "That damn New Line." or "What were those morons at Lions Gate thinking?".

But it really is best to what for Marvel and see what they can do with their franchises. It's too soon for reboots so a tv series that takes place after the movie would be great. I mean a drastically different tv series (like Buffy was different in tone from it's movie in the early 90s and still managed to be a sequel. Yes the movie IS in continuity). I know this thread is about a reboot but jesus christ am I tired of that now. It's become the new "re-make".
 
New Line Cinema or Lions Gate Films would have been terrific for a Daredevil movie. Those guys are less hands on than Fox and they leave a lot of their trust in their directors. Rarely do you ever hear "That damn New Line." or "What were those morons at Lions Gate thinking?".

But it really is best to what for Marvel and see what they can do with their franchises. It's too soon for reboots so a tv series that takes place after the movie would be great. I mean a drastically different tv series (like Buffy was different in tone from it's movie in the early 90s and still managed to be a sequel. Yes the movie IS in continuity). I know this thread is about a reboot but jesus christ am I tired of that now. It's become the new "re-make".

You're right. Lol, it's true that "reboots" has become the new "remake". If a movie isn't good, reboot that sucker.:woot:

or Dreamworks?
I would like to see Dreamworks tackle a superhero film, but their company is hilghy driven by CGI. If they can avoid CGI for DD, then it would be cool.
 
I do remember the first time I saw Daredevil and like most I wasn’t entirely impressed.
-Keep it simple
-No loves stories
-Dark, dark, gritty, gritty (an R would be great)
-No Ben Affleck, please…
-An explanation of DD’s training and how he came to acquire the suit and weapons. Hey it worked for Batman Begins.
-Does DD leap over buildings???
 
He actually does leap over buildings, yeah...Something to do with momentum (which I like how they TRIED to show in the movie but didn't do too well).
 
I'd reboot it as a tv series. But have HBO do it. To me Daredevil, in the current comics, has a vibe that sort of makes it suitable for an adult action show. I'm thinking elements of the Daredevil film we got but with an added dose of Sopranos/The Wire and Godfather
I'd have it as a Daredevil: Year One and a large chunk of the story would also be about Wilson Fisk working his way up the criminal ladder to become Kingpin. Having an HBO approach would make it darker. I'd try to keep it grounded more in reality, i.e. have the fights a tad more brutal than you'd expect (one of the things I liked about the movie is that they didn't shy away from the fact that Matt as Daredevil had to deal with constant pain and bruises from his encounters). It wouldn't be a special FX thing as the villains would be the ones that fit in with the tone of the show- The Enforcers, The Owl, Bullseye, The Gladiator.
A tv series would also mean that you can explore the characters better and there's a wealth of them that could be introduced over the course of a few seasons.
 
Tombstone would be good as well, I know he's a spiderman villian but he's fought Daredevil too, I think.
 
Wow, this thread really caught on. Since I’ve only posted maybe 5 times on this thread (that I started), I’m putting everything I have to say on this subject into one monster post.

When I talk about the movie, I’m naturally referring to the director’s cut, which is basically the movie that Mark Steven Johnson wrote in the first place. The theatrical cut is, as usual, the studio’s version.

I'll break this up into sections in case youse all want to skim

“THE” DAREDEVIL MOVIE
I’ve heard a lot of people who’ve said that they would’ve spread out the Elektra-Kingpin-Bullseye arc into at least two films. I thought MSJ did an admirable job (not a perfect one) at coming up with a decent story that fleshed out all of those characters in one film without things feeling crowded. If I was in charge of making it (and had no guarantee of a sequel), I am certain that I would’ve taken a similar all-or-nothing approach and tried to get Kingpin, Elektra, and Bullseye into my movie. But IMO, the director didn’t quite succeed with translating all of those characters to the screen.

Plus, when I (finally) read Frank Miller’s run on the comic, I was surprised with how many little things from the comics are in the movie. (I can’t name them now, because I don’t have the trades with me.) The fact that MSJ is a lifelong fan of the comics really shows. To me, the Daredevil movie seemed like a love letter to the creators and the fans. If only his skills as a filmmaker matched his love for the character.

THE STORY
It can be a major drag to come up with a cool storyline for a superhero movie, especially when you have to deal with the origin story first. So MSJ chose a storyline that was mostly about Matt Murdock, attorney-at-law. A clever move, since the lawyer aspect of Daredevil is unique among superheroes. But even in the DC, the legal story should’ve been far better. As it is, it would barely pass as a B-story on “The Practice.” Another small gripe was that in the comics, Nelson & Murdock is a highly reputable legal team, while in the movie they seem to be on the fringes of poverty. If there had been a sequel, maybe they would’ve moved to a better office.

DAREDEVIL
Not many people have said that Ben Affleck was fine as Matt Murdock. I’m not about to say he was either. However, I do empathize with MSJ’s choice to cast him. He’s got the good looks, the height, and the athleticism, everything a good super-hero performer ought to have (I recall reading interviews with him where he said as much). But the truth is that Daredevil is not the superhero for Ben Affleck to play. Maybe he’s too recognizable, maybe he’s too handsome, maybe slapping that mask on him takes away too much from his arsenal as an actor (maybe). Maybe he looked bad in the costume. I know that with the bad dye job and the shades, he didn’t really look like Matt Murdock to me, just Ben Affleck with shades and a bad dye job.

What I’m saying is: Yes, Ben Affleck was wrong for the part, but by the time that became clear, it was too late. The same goes for Elektra.

As for how the character was written, the Director’s cut is way better at making Matt/DD into a cool and interesting guy as opposed to another Batman knockoff.

ELEKTRA
It wasn’t Jennifer Garner’s performance of Elektra that I disliked so much as how she was written in the first place. The character in MSJ’s script could be considered a strong and somewhat complex female heroine, but it’s not the Elektra of the comics. His first mistake was probably throwing out her college relationship with Matt and opting instead for a more traditional “meet cute” (with a silly-ass fight thrown in). Maybe he decided the movie had enough flashbacks with young Matt’s origin story, and chose to move their first meeting to the present. The second mistake was making Elektra too normal. This I actually find more aggravating because (and this is on the DVD interviews), Frank Miller came up with Elektra because he was tired of superheroes always wanting normal girlfriends (why is Superman always pining after Lois when he could have Wonder Woman, he asked). Those choices I felt betrayed the character and the translation became a trainwreck. As for Garner, at the time she was cast, she had definitely had the pedigree to play a character like Elektra. But as the character was written too normal, so did Garner play her too normal. Apparently she’s supposed to have a storied past (being a mixed martial artist, losing her mother), but none of it really comes through in her performance. And like Affleck, in the end Elektra was probably the wrong superheroine for her to portray.

So yeah, now I think it would’ve been a better idea to save Elektra for the sequel. (It’s a nice consolation that Affleck & Garner met on this movie and got hitched and have lived happily ever after so far).

BULLSEYE
As a character, Bullseye’s not that deep, so trying to make him any more than a badass killing machine who takes excessive pride in his work (as he is portrayed in the movie) would’ve been a mistake. A lot of thought went into the look of the character (with the gator-skin coat and the forehead scar), so any complaints I might have about Bullseye take a backseat to a billion other larger gripes.

KINGPIN
I give the director a lot of credit on this one, because you have to admit that casting Michael Clarke Duncan has to have been MSJ’s ballsiest move as director. If you’re going to stray that much from the source material with the casting, you’d better be damn sure you’re casting the best man for the role. I think in this case he certainly was sure. Now, 5 years later, there are probably a number of hefty and intimidating actor/wrestlers who would fit the role better, but at the moment, I can’t really name any that can match MCD for acting.

STICK
I was shocked when I learned that Stick wouldn’t be in the movie, and appalled when Terrence Stamp was cast as a Stick-like character also named “Stick” in the Elektra movie. That was one of those ballsy moves by MSJ that didn’t really work. Matt ought to have someone to teach him martial arts (especially after his Dad dies.) I suppose he wanted to speed up the origin story, or maybe he was tired of the mysterious miserly mentor who comes out of nowhere. If I was doing it, I would’ve had Stick in there, simply because I don’t think I would’ve had any reason to take him out.

THE CG
The biggest complaint seems to be about the special effects and the overuse of CG. If the exact same movie was produced right now, I guarantee the CG would be perfect. Clearly MSJ’s vision of the movie included plenty of spectacular comic book-style stunts, and since Spider-Man had raised the bar so high, I imagine he felt compelled to deliver on that level. I absolutely agree that the film relied far too heavily on the CG effects, especially for the stunts. Maybe if they had taken more of a Batman-esque approach to the stunts, and kept the CG to a minimum, it would’ve been much better. But I don’t think it would’ve been practical to do without it the CG completely.
The effects for the radar-scenes scenes, on the other hand were masterful, especially considering that in the comics there is no visual reference for how that should be shown on screen.

THE VIOLENCE
The Director’s cut is essentially R-rated. However, MSJ said in the DC doc that he was surprised that his cut got that rating, which suggests that he was aiming for a PG-13 all along. If I was directing, I suspect I would try to do the same thing to draw in that younger crowd. Even without studio pressure to make a marketable (ie. PG-13) movie, I wonder if MSJ would’ve cut it down or left it as it is in the DC. The theatrical cut still has a few gruesome moments (Elektra getting stabbed, Bullseye shot thru the hands, Daredevil breaks Kingpin’s legs, Quesada’s corpse carted away in pieces, etc.)
Still, I really don’t think that it would have to be rated R in order to be a good movie. After all, Batman Begins was PG-13.

That’s pretty much all I’ve got right now
 
And since I’ve come this far, I’ll post a cast for good measure:
Ryan Gosling as DD
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Moon Bloodgood (Journeyman, DayBreak, Pathfinder) as Elektra
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Wentworth Miller (Prison Break) as Bullseye. It’d be cool to see him as a psycho
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(some people might prefer him as DD, but I wouldn’t want to cover up those eyes!)
 
Who's your Kingpin, and does Daredevil have no other villains you guys would like to see on the big screen?
 

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