Daredevil vs Spider-Man

[ShadowBoxing]

Sorry but DD could only dream of being on Spiderman's level. Peter is superior to him in every way. If Spidey didn't hold back Daredevil would be dead easily.

Yeah, that's pretty much how it goes. Spidey packs 5 tons behind each punch (presses 10 tons...so assuming it's basically even). But when he hits opponents it's really hard to say how much of that he lets go. It may not be exactly like Superman who has to be careful when he taps someone on the shoulder, but it's still hard.

Spider-Man has to control his powers or else he'd just shatter some normal, non metas bones.

 

[Ben Urich]

Daredevil is pretty strong and agile, and I love him, but Spider-Man wins every time if he doesn't hold back.

 

[Vanguard07]

Yeah, that's pretty much how it goes. Spidey packs 5 tons behind each punch (presses 10 tons...so assuming it's basically even). But when he hits opponents it's really hard to say how much of that he lets go. It may not be exactly like Superman who has to be careful when he taps someone on the shoulder, but it's still hard.

Spider-Man has to control his powers or else he'd just shatter some normal, non metas bones.

That's outdated info. As an adult and after having had a few powerups he's significantly stronger, faster, more agile etc.
All in all he's probably 20-25 ton range now.

 

[Savage]

Daredevil...I don't believe in that if crap because if Spidey just stood there he'd be beaten. If DD just stood there he'd be beaten. Forget the ifs. Deal with what you have in front of you and that include's the character's personality. This is why DD has won most of the time and this is why The Punisher has beaten them both. The character holds back or is a cheat then let it be. Don't bring ifs into this or else it's just not fair to the characters.

This also explains why Spidey can at times be in Hulk's league and then get whooped on by Kingpin.

 

[Vanguard07]

when was the last time Spiderman got beaten by the kingpin? When he was 16? You guys keep saying that like it happens regularly.

 

[Kitsune]

We they first fought, DD won because Spider-Man was mind controlled and wasn't reacting at his full speed. Daredevil himself stated he wouldn't have won except for the fact that Spider-Mans reflexes were slowed. Since then, Peter in general has gained around three to four times more experiance than Matt.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

That's outdated info. As an adult and after having had a few powerups he's significantly stronger, faster, more agile etc.
All in all he's probably 20-25 ton range now.

Not according to Marvel.com which states him as being able to now lift 15 tons under optimal conditions. This is post Other.

During the fights in question he would have been at 10 tons even. They have not significantly increased Spider-Man's powers at all....nor should they.

 

[Vanguard07]

Not according to Marvel.com which states him as being able to now lift 15 tons under optimal conditions. This is post Other.

During the fights in question he would have been at 10 tons even. They have not significantly increased Spider-Man's powers at all....nor should they.

Can you name even 1 super powered character in all of marvel who has an "official" bio thats actually accurate?
Every single one of those stupid handbooks and biographies have all been proven wrong by the comics multiple times. Take what you know from actual events not the jerks who wanna make abilities official but never stick to the plan.

 

[Fading]

Daredevil...I don't believe in that if crap because if Spidey just stood there he'd be beaten. If DD just stood there he'd be beaten. Forget the ifs. Deal with what you have in front of you and that include's the character's personality. This is why DD has won most of the time and this is why The Punisher has beaten them both. The character holds back or is a cheat then let it be. Don't bring ifs into this or else it's just not fair to the characters.

This also explains why Spidey can at times be in Hulk's league and then get whooped on by Kingpin.

I agree with this. I mean I do think if Spiderman didn't hold back he'd win, but that's not Spidey. Fact is if someones coming at me with a knife, and I don't want to hurt them so I only lightly punch them, then they get right back up and stab me...guess what, I'm still bleeding and on the ground, it doesn't matter if I wasn't trying. Spiderman holding back is part of Spiderman's character. If he holds back and loses a fight then that's a choice Spiderman made and he lost fair and square for it. If Spidey didn't hold back then I'd vote Spidey, but since he does and DD takes advantage of that I'd have to give it to DD more often than not in that situation. Spiderman should win, but as long as he gives love taps to ppl willing to exploit his weakness he can and possibly will lose.

In all honesty it's situational, if we're talking about Spidey fighting DD full out and not holding back then I do give it to SPidey because he has everything DD has and in spades. If we're talking about Spiderman in his normal personality and holding back, then I'd give it to DD more often than not since a loss is a loss and DD taking advantage of Spidey holding back is still a win for DD.

 

[ElectroFlare]

Spidey should just make DD look foolish one day. I would really like to see the fight when normal or barely meta humans fight him and getting sorely beaten. People like DD, Wolverine, Captain America, they should lose horribly to Spider-man. His abilities on paper are just unbeatable to a normal/barely meta human. That holding back is the only thing that allows these opponents to survive.

Honestly, in a fight when Spidey is holding back, DD should still not be able to touch him with spider-sense, reaction timing, and speed way above that of a normal human. He should be cracking jokes while hanging out on the cieling dodging DD's cable.

 

[LadyMoira]

I'm sorry to say this, but Matt would be history...the only thing that would give Peter any trouble in a knockdown fight would be that he didn't want to seriously hurt DD.

 

[diespinne]

In a properly written fight where Spidey is being himself and holding-back, he would just web Daredevil up and call it a day. I mean why would he even risk splattering Daredevil with a punch or a kick?

Writers mostly decide to ignore this, because it wouldn't make for interesting fights. If written properly, most of Spidey's fights against people like Daredevil, Crazy Man With Knife, Kung Fu Chick, Big Bald Man With Purple Pants, etc. would consist of one panel and a big, fat THWIPPP!!!

 

[Vanguard07]

It's not realistic though that DD is able to do so well even if Spiderman is holding back.

I mean he's holding back offensively cause he doesnt want to hurt matt but that doesnt mean a thing when it comes to dodging. He has no reason to hold back his speed, agility, reflexes, etc. Hell his webbing wouldnt hurt matt, why bother holding that back? why not just pin him to a wall and be done with it.

The holding back thing is a stupid excuse that they use to make characters like DD and Cap and whatnot look tougher than they are while doing as little damage to Spiderman's rep as they can.

the fights with DD are unrealistic. based on their comparative abilities DD simply does not pose a threat to Spiderman. simple as that. Spiderman could just dodge all day and wait till DD drops from exhaustion, or he could web him up before DD has time to react. Or he could just plant one on him and put his ass out. All of these would be easy as hell for Spiderman.

The only logical reason for DD to have done so well in the past isnt that Spiderman was holding back, it's that Spiderman took a dive. In a case where they're fighting and both want to win Spiderman would win 10 times out of 10 holding back or not.

 

[Savage]

DD dodges Spider-man's attacks and hits him in a nerve (being a ninja and all). He can sense when Spidey even twitches before an attack. When it comes to physically taking this guy on, DD might as well be psychic.

 

[diespinne]

DD dodges Spider-man's attacks and hits him in a nerve (being a ninja and all). He can sense when Spidey even twitches before an attack. When it comes to physically taking this guy on, DD might as well be psychic.

Come on. DD can sense Spidey all he wants, but he does not have the speed to react upon it. Spidey is inhumanly fast. Most texts rate him at being 10 - 15 times faster than a regular human. He's also got a practically psychic means of reacting to an opponent's attacks via his spider-sense. Again, it would make for a boring fight if they wrote Spidey the way he would really act in a situation like this. It's much more fun to watch two guys wail on each other for a few pages, and so Spidey's always scaled-down to give human level opponents an edge.

What they need to do is just stick to pitting Spidey up against opponents that would really give him a challenge.

 

[diespinne]

It's not realistic though that DD is able to do so well even if Spiderman is holding back.

I mean he's holding back offensively cause he doesnt want to hurt matt but that doesnt mean a thing when it comes to dodging. He has no reason to hold back his speed, agility, reflexes, etc. Hell his webbing wouldnt hurt matt, why bother holding that back? why not just pin him to a wall and be done with it.

The holding back thing is a stupid excuse that they use to make characters like DD and Cap and whatnot look tougher than they are while doing as little damage to Spiderman's rep as they can.

the fights with DD are unrealistic. based on their comparative abilities DD simply does not pose a threat to Spiderman. simple as that. Spiderman could just dodge all day and wait till DD drops from exhaustion, or he could web him up before DD has time to react. Or he could just plant one on him and put his ass out. All of these would be easy as hell for Spiderman.

The only logical reason for DD to have done so well in the past isnt that Spiderman was holding back, it's that Spiderman took a dive. In a case where they're fighting and both want to win Spiderman would win 10 times out of 10 holding back or not.

Exactly! THWIPP! The end.

 

[deemar325]

Got to give it to Spidey although DD would make Peter hurt.

 

[Savage]

Come on. DD can sense Spidey all he wants, but he does not have the speed to react upon it. Spidey is inhumanly fast. Most texts rate him at being 10 - 15 times faster than a regular human. He's also got a practically psychic means of reacting to an opponent's attacks via his spider-sense. Again, it would make for a boring fight if they wrote Spidey the way he would really act in a situation like this. It's much more fun to watch two guys wail on each other for a few pages, and so Spidey's always scaled-down to give human level opponents an edge.

What they need to do is just stick to pitting Spidey up against opponents that would really give him a challenge.

So what if he's faster? Does him no good if DD's not in the way of an attack. I can't outrun a train but I can avoid one. DD sense's Spidey even getting his arm up and he's just not there when the punch lands. Spidey's spider-sense is good but it's limited. Daredevil has his on all the time. Eventually Daredevil would hit a nerve cluster at some point.

...Not saying this would be short. Hell no would this be short. It wouldn't be easy either. But Spider-man would be busy dodging attacks and trying not to hurt the precious normy...Same reason Superman gets his ass handed to him by Batman when he really should be able to zap him from space.

 

[US Agent]

I agree with shorty ^^^^ ! I really do though, you have to figure that into the equation about character and how the go on through life (as in standards about hurting or killing people, which apparently Spidey has more of than DD).

 

[diespinne]

So what if he's faster? Does him no good if DD's not in the way of an attack. I can't outrun a train but I can avoid one. DD sense's Spidey even getting his arm up and he's just not there when the punch lands. Spidey's spider-sense is good but it's limited. Daredevil has his on all the time. Eventually Daredevil would hit a nerve cluster at some point.

...Not saying this would be short. Hell no would this be short. It wouldn't be easy either. But Spider-man would be busy dodging attacks and trying not to hurt the precious normy...Same reason Superman gets his ass handed to him by Batman when he really should be able to zap him from space.

The train analogy works better for someone like Mr. Hyde who's a big lumbering opponent you can see coming from a mile away. From the moment that Spidey tenses to punch to the moment he throws it is a tiny instant that no human being--super senses/martial arts/etc. or not--would be able to react to realistically.

Ok, fine it's not written that way in the comics, but you look at pretty much every encounter these guys have had, and Spidey's got some kind of a handicap giving DD the edge whether it's being under mind control, or sloppy from whatever, etc. DD often even admits in thought bubbles or whatever that there's no way he could normally take Spidey. I wish someone would post some scans...

Note also that DD inherited Spidey's weaker, more street level enemies like The Kingpin and The Punisher. Someone like Venom would destroy him easily.

Closer fights would be DD vs. Captain American or DD vs. Wolverine. But even in those cases, DD would be hard-pressed to score a win.

Maybe if Spidey was vulnerable to something like kryptonite, and DD just happened to have a ring made from the stuff...

 

[Naked Shia]

Daredevil is a true warrior. He trained like a beast to become a fighter. He has ninjitsu and boxing training.

Granted, Spidey has super-human habilities, but he's not as much of a fighter as DD.

 

[The Endless]

Spider-Man is faster. He dances around automatic gun fire. Daredevil is also a bonafide bullet timer, but Spidey is a lot quicker.

Think of it this way. Spider-Man could land 10 punches on Daredevil before he could even react. And those 10 punches could shatter concrete.

Do the math.

 

[Naked Shia]

I remember an issue of Amazing where Spidey has a hard time fighting Iron Fist.

He may be faster, but he's not as good as them at hitting the most critical points. Would he be flash, I would agree with you.

 

[The Endless]

I remember an issue where Black Panther put the Silver Surfer in an arm bar which he couldn't escape from (yes seriously that happened lol) Sometimes writers take a bit of creative freedom to make fights work. It's why Wolverine doesn't just get smushed by Hulk when they fight. Or why Flash has problems with the likes of Captain Cold. It's called plot/character induced stupidity. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, like in the Black Panther vs Silver Surfer case.

Iron Fist and Daredevil are pretty even. That would be a great fight. In fact didn't Rand impersonate Daredevil whilst he was in prison?

But the point is, going by all their individual feats, Spider-Man is consistently portrayed to be a bit faster than either of those guys. So to Spidey, they are just statues (or at least moving in slow motion) waiting to be punched. Skill wouldn't matter so much.

 

[Naked Shia]

I remember an issue where Black Panther put the Silver Surfer in an arm bar which he couldn't escape from (yes seriously that happened lol) Sometimes writers take a bit of creative freedom to make fights work. It's why Wolverine doesn't just get smushed by Hulk when they fight. Or why Flash has problems with the likes of Captain Cold. It's called plot/character induced stupidity. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, like in the Black Panther vs Silver Surfer case.

Iron Fist and Daredevil are pretty even. That would be a great fight. In fact didn't Rand impersonate Daredevil whilst he was in prison?

But the point is, going by all their individual feats, Spider-Man is consistently portrayed to be a bit faster than either of those guys. So to Spidey, they are just statues (or at least moving in slow motion) waiting to be punched. Skill wouldn't matter so much.

Only Silver Surfer allowed Black Panther to restrain him. Most people using this example forget to tell that

Rand did take DD's place during the first arc of Bru's run indeed.

I get your point, and it kinda makes sense. But I have yet to see Spidey really get the best of DD or Iron Fist. I'm sure skilled fighters like them are really quick. Let's not forget Iron Fist managed to beat Sabre Tooth, who is incredibly quick for instance.

Their training allow them to be way quicker than your average joe, and while spidey is probably still faster than them, I'm sure it doesn't mean he would land all his punches, especially considering DD has a his radar sense.