Days of Future Past Days of Future Past SPOILERS! (You have been warned!) - Part 1

[Jumpman]

Scott could have died at any point after X2. He could bw one of the 'friends' Logan referred to watching die in the trailer. In fact, presuming most everyone is dead in the future by the time DOFP opens, he should be surprised to see anyonealive at the end.

I'm pretty sure that's not what Logan is referencing when he is surprised. It's a direct call back to The Last Stand because that's the film everyone knows Scott died in.

When Donner said they retconned The Last Stand out, she just means certain things, ie the deaths.

That's all.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Scott could have died at any point after X2. He could bw one of the 'friends' Logan referred to watching die in the trailer. In fact, presuming most everyone is dead in the future by the time DOFP opens, he should be surprised to see anyonealive at the end.

the DOFP continuity is LAST STANDS continuity... Wolvie is shocked he's alive in the new 2023 timeline because he died in the one Wolvie is from in THE LAST STAND...

it's really not that confusing

 

[marvelrobbins]

Characters In X-men and X2 will be keep witheir age consent with what has gone before.
That's clear with ending of new 2023 being future of new timeline.

Donner basiclly said to fans we agree with you on last stand and origins.You can just
forget about them.

Yeah The wolverine is a bit problematic since it's plot is tied to him killing Phoenix.But it and X-Men/X2 are important since they lead up to time travel mission of DOFP and wolverine still remembers those if we see WOlverine in future films In 2023 or up.

 

[Jumpman]

the DOFP continuity is LAST STANDS continuity... Wolvie is shocked he's alive in the new 2023 timeline because he died in the one Wolvie is from in THE LAST STAND...

it's really not that confusing

Yep.

 

[Mutant 77]

No way. Last Stand is continuity, I mean it is in the continuity of the Original Timeline.

They bothered to "fix" the fact Xavier walks in DOFP.
"The Wolverine" references The Last Stand a lot of times, in many ways.
Grammer's Beast is resumed.

Maybe Origins will be discarded, but not The Last Stand.

If in APOCALYPSE, Jean Grey's age will match the beginning of The Last Stand, then TLS belongs to the Original Timeline.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I'm pretty sure that's not what Logan is referencing when he is surprised. It's a direct call back to The Last Stand because that's the film everyone knows Scott died in.

When Donner said they retconned The Last Stand out, she just means certain things, ie the deaths.

That's all.

it's quite possible most of the last stand events no longer happened though. We have to assume they're not unless someone makes reference to jean going all "phoenix" and any reference to those events.

they still "happened" to wolvie and Xavier who lived it and the timeline didn't apparently effect... but not to Jean and Scott. I mean... if The Last Stand still happened in the new timeline you'd think scott and jean would be shocked they're alive... lol

 

[Jumpman]

Characters In X-men and X2 will be keep witheir age consent with what has gone before.
That's clear with ending of new 2023 being future of new timeline.

Donner basiclly said to fans we agree with you on last stand and origins.You can just
forget about them.

Yeah The wolverine is a bit problematic since it's plot is tied to him killing Phoenix.But it and X-Men/X2 are important since they lead up to time travel mission of DOFP and wolverine still remembers those if we see WOlverine in future films In 2023 or up.

THE WOLVERINE counts because its part of the original timeline. You don't have the Logan from this film without the events of THE WOLVERINE. Virtually impossible.

To make this easier on fans, just forget the opening scene of THE LAST STAND. That's what's really causing all of the headaches. You can forget ORIGINS WOLVERINE because it's a terrible film and you pretty much know Logan's backstory from X-MEN and X2. It's a unwarranted prequel.

FIRST CLASS only really screws with a few things; Magneto's helmet, Cerebro, when Charles and Erik met, and the realization of mutants to humanity.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Xavier may only know things from original timeline that wolverine told him and from his telepathic meeting with Xavier from original 2023

 

[Jumpman]

No way. Last Stand is continuity, I mean it is in the continuity of the Original Timeline.

They bothered to "fix" the fact Xavier walks in DOFP.
"The Wolverine" references The Last Stand a lot of times, in many ways.
Grammer's Beast is resumed.

Maybe Origins will be discarded, but not The Last Stand.

If in APOCALYPSE, Jean Grey's age will match the beginning of The Last Stand, then TLS belongs to the Original Timeline.

Jean's age doesn't have to match though because we're in a new timeline.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

No way. Last Stand is continuity, I mean it is in the continuity of the Original Timeline.

They bothered to "fix" the fact Xavier walks in DOFP.
"The Wolverine" references The Last Stand a lot of times, in many ways.
Grammer's Beast is resumed.

Maybe Origins will be discarded, but not The Last Stand.

If in APOCALYPSE, Jean Grey's age will match the beginning of The Last Stand, then TLS belongs to the Original Timeline.

omg... you don't understand.

THE LAST STAND DID HAPPEN.. however.. when wolvie wakes up in the Fixed Timeline, he and Xavier still remember the old timeline... THAT INCLUDES THE LAST STAND.

The Events of THE LAST STAND never happened to the rest of those in the new continuity though. So they're basically "ghost" memories to Xavier and Wolverine. But THE LAST STAND and everything that came before DOFP Still happened... they just essentially "retconned it" for all but Wolvie and Xavier. So some things happened differently (or didn't happen at all).

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Jean's age doesn't have to match though because we're in a new timeline.

that's true to a degree.. but only if the changes to the past some how made her parents have sex earlier or later... (like a butterfly effect). But it likely would not change her birth date

 

[Mutant 77]

omg... you don't understand.

THE LAST STAND DID HAPPEN.. however.. when wolvie wakes up in the Fixed Timeline, he and Xavier still remember the old timeline... THAT INCLUDES THE LAST STAND.

The Events of THE LAST STAND never happened to the rest of those in the new continuity though. So they're basically "ghost" memories to Xavier and Wolverine. But THE LAST STAND and everything that came before DOFP Still happened... they just essentially "retconned it" for all but Wolvie and Xavier. So some things happened differently (or didn't happen at all).

It's what I'm saying !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MarvelRobbins thought they just discarded the movie from the Original Timeline.

 

[Mutant 77]

To make this easier on fans, just forget the opening scene of THE LAST STAND.

It's not fun. All or nothing. I don't agree with this.

 

[Jumpman]

omg... you don't understand.

THE LAST STAND DID HAPPEN.. however.. when wolvie wakes up in the Fixed Timeline, he and Xavier still remember the old timeline... THAT INCLUDES THE LAST STAND.

The Events of THE LAST STAND never happened to the rest of those in the new continuity though. So they're basically "ghost" memories to Xavier and Wolverine. But THE LAST STAND and everything that came before DOFP Still happened... they just essentially "retconned it" for all but Wolvie and Xavier. So some things happened differently (or didn't happen at all).

Everyone, remember this post. This seems to be what they did in this film. It's not complicated.

 

[Jumpman]

It's not fun. All or nothing. I don't agree with this.

Well, it does contradict what Xavier implies in X-MEN so why not?

 

[Reel]

It's easy.. think of it has everything happening after the events of DOFP as an alternate timeline (Like Star Trek films)

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It's easy.. think of it has everything happening after the events of DOFP as an alternate timeline (Like Star Trek films)

Exactly... and Xavier and Wolvie are Spock

 

[Jumpman]

Exactly... and Xavier and Wolvie are Spock

Bingo.

It will be interesting though when reintroducing Wolverine in the new timeline occurs because eventually, Jackman's not playing the role.

 

[Mutant 77]

Well, it does contradict what Xavier implies in X-MEN so why not?

No it doesn't contradict nothing from X1.

 

[Jumpman]

No it doesn't contradict nothing from X1.

Sure it does. Xavier implies that he and Erik had their split well before the Jean flashback in THE LAST STAND.

 

[Jumpman]

From a business perspective, this film's main purpose was to extend the franchise to tel further stories of the X-Men characters without completely throwing away what came before it.

It is clear that Donner loves the original characters so she needed to find a way to bring them back without them being true prequels to the original trilogy. Time travel and alternate timelines was the best way for her to accomplish this.

Now, from here on out, continuity will probably be carefully watched because if they cast real young with Jean, Scott, Storm, and the others, you could see further adventures with the same cast for another decade...

 

[Mutant 77]

Sure it does. Xavier implies that he and Erik had their split well before the Jean flashback in THE LAST STAND.

It was a truce. No contradiction.

By the way:

"Talking to HeyUGuys, Lauren revealed how X-Men: Days Of Future Past would impact the previous films,“Yes, it will be putting that right,” She added “Just forget about X-3! And the first Wolverine; forget about that too!” Given the ending of DOFP, it all makes sense. It completely erases those events of X-Men: The Last Stand from ever happening which leaves our fellow mutants in an interesting place."

She did not mean they don't belong to the original timeline anymore.

 

[Matt.S99]

So, is it true Emma is officially dead and the sentinels mimic mutants powers and one uses her diamond form?

 

[Mutant 77]

So, is it true Emma is officially dead and the sentinels mimic mutants powers and one uses her diamond form?

Yes. She's dead. Forever.

 

[Matt.S99]

Boo