The Dark Knight Rises Deacon Joseph Blackfire

[Sith Scotti]

I rather have Batman taking on the cops than some wanna be priest .

 

[CConn]

I've been hoping they'd include Blackfire in a film since Batman Forever.

 

[itsthebatman]

Totally. He could be a bit like Mola Ram from Temple Of Doom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeQQtqwIFI4

 

[ronny]

I rather have Batman taking on the cops than some wanna be priest .

You know, rather than piping in with all these snarky comments, why don't you actually try to debate the issue?
If people take the time to respond to what you're saying, the least you can do is acknowledge them. Rather than acting like some over-opinionated **** who floods the topic with random expressions of contempt because he has no real valid points to make.
Either contribute or get lost. Simple.

 

[Sith Scotti]

You know, rather than piping in with all these snarky comments, why don't you actually try to debate the issue?
If people take the time to respond to what you're saying, the least you can do is acknowledge them. Rather than acting like some over-opinionated **** who floods the topic with random expressions of contempt because he has no real valid points to make.
Either contribute or get lost. Simple.

Tell me exactly how this works without going religious . . You would need some damn good writing to not piss of 1 Christians who may think its a shot at fundamentalists 2 - Non Christians who may not be comfortable with the plot revolving around Christianity.


No Matter how you cut it , The Cult is about fundamentalism. I rather not see a Batman film get too far fetched in this issue.


There is a reason he is one time only villain. Writers don't want to touch the subject

 

[Keyser Soze]

I've been hoping they'd include Blackfire in a film since Batman Forever.

Can you imagine a Schumacher Deacon Blackfire!?

To be honest, even as a longtime Batfan, I've never really heard of Deacon Blackfire before these conversations today. Never read The Cult, though I've heard good things about it. But he sounds like an interesting character, and could really tie into the overarching themes of Nolan's narrative well.

But he just seems a little too dark, too twisted for this series. Maybe for a different Batman movie another time, maybe a standalone one. Or maybe, a bit like my earlier musings on Dr. Hurt, it's a great villain who only really works in the context of the particular comic story he was used in.

 

[ronny]

Tell me exactly how this works without going religious . . You would need some damn good writing to not piss of 1 Christians who may think its a shot at fundamentalists 2 - Non Christians who may not be comfortable with the plot revolving around Christianity.

If Christian cinemagoers cannot tell the difference between a mass murdering, opportunistic criminal and a dedicated practioner of their faith, then they really are very delusional.
Like I told you before, they made it perfectly clear that Blackfire was full of ****, completely. He talked a big game, he goaded Batman to kill him and make him a martyr, but in the end he begged him to stop.
If he was such a fundementalist, why would he spend his followers money on creating a lavish room for himself?
No one of a sane disposistion would ever confuse a cult leader like Blackfire for a genuine attack on the core values of Christianity.

It just seems like a childish excuse to me anyway. A way to disregard an idea beneath the cover of 'tolerance'.
Blackfire is an example of what happens in real life when unhinged, charismatic egomaniacs gain a following.
Waco, Jonestown, Heavens Gate. All these atrocities happened because the leaders of these cults claimed to be - or be close to - the God of Christianity. That does not make them true Chistians. Just like Blackfire is not a true Christian.

 

[itsthebatman]

Can you imagine a Schumacher Deacon Blackfire!?

To be honest, even as a longtime Batfan, I've never really heard of Deacon Blackfire before these conversations today. Never read The Cult, though I've heard good things about it. But he sounds like an interesting character, and could really tie into the overarching themes of Nolan's narrative well.

But he just seems a little too dark, too twisted for this series. Maybe for a different Batman movie another time, maybe a standalone one. Or maybe, a bit like my earlier musings on Dr. Hurt, it's a great villain who only really works in the context of the particular comic story he was used in.

Keyser, keyser, keyser.

 

[Secret Fawful]

If Disney can get away with Judge Claude Frollo, Nolan's Batman can do Deacon Blackfire.

 

[Bat-Mite]

The Da Vinci Code was considered by most Christians to be an anti-Christian novel, but it still sold like hotcakes. People wanted to know what claims the author was making about the history of their faith, so they went out in droves to buy the book. Just because something's controversial and deals with religion doesn't mean that it will be unsuccessful. The opposite was true in the case of Dan Brown's book.

 

[Wolverine1988]

One jackass makes a comment in this character and now thats what everybody is talking about him, way to go by tommrow theres gonna be rumors that this dumb character might actually appear in the movie.

 

[Keyser Soze]

One jackass makes a comment in this character and now thats what everybody is talking about him, way to go by tommrow theres gonna be rumors that this dumb character might actually appear in the movie.

I don't think Deacon Blackfire should be in the movie, but I don't see why whoever brought him up has to be a "jackass". At this stage, groundless speculation on one villain is as reasonable as groundless speculation on another.

 

[TheBatman072]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaa.

 

[Lungrocket]

One jackass makes a comment in this character and now thats what everybody is talking about him, way to go by tommrow theres gonna be rumors that this dumb character might actually appear in the movie.

That's right. I am out to ruin your chances of a RUNNING MAN remake featuring Batman & Catwoman. The horror.

 

[Lungrocket]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeQQtqwIFI4

Hahaha! The best.

 

[Hardknox]

In my opinion, Blackfire would be an interesting villain, being able to cultivate a following, maybe even politically, against Batman. He could use his influence to legitimately take over the city and appear as a hero to the people. Batman could have a hard time trying to bring him down.

He could even clash with Gordon and see "Gordon's faith in Batman" and even turns the city against Gordon. All the while, Blackfire could easily use other Rogues to go after Batman and his enemies.

Like someone said, he lives in the sewers for a while...Killer Croc.

Maybe he needs an arsonist to burn down some evidence in a building he can't get to...Firefly.

Assassins to deal with Batman...Deadshot.

I'm mentioning these names but I don't see them in the film. Firefly would be cool.

Overall, I don't know about Blackfire. He was a good one off villain.

 

[Lungrocket]

Someone said it elsewhere, but Stryker in X2 was a one-shot comics villain also, wasn't he? And a really compelling villain in that film (still one of the top 4 superhero movies ever, with S:TM, SM2 and TDK). It doesn't need an established villain to make a good or great movie - it needs a well-written one.

Precisely.

 

[Wolverine1988]

That's right. I am out to ruin your chances of a RUNNING MAN remake featuring Batman & Catwoman. The horror.

If you knew how to read you would understand I DONT want this , i am just saying i think this is the route Nolan will take, no main villain.

You are the complete idiot who keeps asuming i want that and even bigger idiot for assuming Nolan would just make a Fugitive,Running Man Batman ripoff, You act like some hack is Directing it.

You need to read what i am saying, instead of attacking me without even reading what i am saying dumbass.

 

[Mister H.]

I doubt WB is going to allow for a script that makes a villain out of a Christian fundamentalist. That's just going to piss off a lot of overly-sensitive people and create negative publicity...which isn't necessarily a bad thing. And I get that Blackfire is in no way an actual Christian, but I still think this is too far out in left field for a general audience summer blockbuster.

I think this would make for an incredible DC animated film, but it's highly unlikely for a major film. Maybe some subtle nods to The Cult, but that's about it.

 

[J. Custer]

First off, The Cult was a complete peice of garbage and probably the worst art of Bernie Wrightsons career. I read it when it first came out. The 'coloring' was like technicolor throw-up and the story tries hard to top The Dark Knight returns(which it tries to borrow so much from) and Watchmen with some misguided shock factor. Jim Starlin wanted to create a 'masterpiece' but produced one of Batman's worst, schlockiest stories not fit for a special edition format.

" claims to be a Christian but secretly bathes in human blood and claims to be hundreds of years old and a Native American shaman."


Whaaat? Does anyone really want Nolan to take such a bizzare turn with a 'Cult'
like story. Let's keep reverends, sacrifices,and bathing in blood out of these movies. i'm also not into the bs implication about early native americans. I don't want any Christian themes whatsoever, please. stupid idea.

The Cult was complete s**** and if the next movie is based on it (which Nolan would NEVER do) I won't even go see it.

 

[ronny]

Wait, how is it 'Native American bashing'?
The guy is no more a shaman than he is a Christian.
Let me put it to you like this. Men like Blackfire have an emptiness inside them. There's nothing there. And so what they need to do is fill themselves with the feelings of others, they feed off emotion and fear and need to control people, because that control is the only thing that gives them self worth.

People like Blackfire can be anything you want them to be. It reminds me of a quote by Charles Manson, he said:

Look down at me and you see a fool; look up at me and you see a god; look straight at me and you see yourself.

See what I'm getting at? Blackfire is a chameleon and to different people he'll appear differently, all so they believe in him enough to give him their devotion.
Throughout the story he poses as a Christian, a Native American and then as a political figure trying to get rid of crime.
He is none of those things, he's just an empty, pathetic shell of a man.

 

[J. Custer]

Y'know, I really don't want my Batman movies that heavy and dismal.

 

[ronny]

I wouldn't necessarily call it dismal. It rather depends on what level of evil you want to see. Some people like the mad, campy villains. Others like a more psychological monster, like The Joker or Hugo Strange or even Deacon Blackfire.
Sick men doing sick things for sick reasons.

I don't begrudge you your opinion, because at least you gave it a chance. And are basing your opinion on actual knowledge of the story. But I think Blackfire is a perfect example of the kind of villain we will see. Grounded, colourful and scary in a sense of what they could do to your mind.
In a way, I think you either 'get' those villains or you don't. It's really just a matter of perspective

 

[The Guard]

In a TV series, I'd love to see him. Not on film, at the expense of more deserving characters.

 

[Lungrocket]

If you knew how to read you would understand I DONT want this , i am just saying i think this is the route Nolan will take, no main villain.

There will be a main villain, you better believe there will be. The conflict won't stem from Batman ruining from the law for two hours. That's not epic enough.

You are the complete idiot who keeps asuming i want that and even bigger idiot for assuming Nolan would just make a Fugitive,Running Man Batman ripoff, You act like some hack is Directing it. You need to read what i am saying, instead of attacking me without even reading what i am saying dumbass.

I never said Nolan was a hack. A hack would pick the story you keep presenting as the way YOU THINK it will go.

And I've read what your saying. And I'm sick of reading your stupid childish insults, based solely on the fact that you don't like a villain I am suggesting. Grow up, whiner! Isn't there an X-MEN ORIGINS board you could be trolling right about now?