Deadpool Deadpool Spin-off Confirmed - Part 2

[Mrs. Sawyer]

They were films that were made after Deadpool was supposed to be greenlit though. That's the main thing here. They could have said no to Reynolds or the project anytime post Lantern and RIPD. But they have not.

They are holding on to the film and Reynolds for a reason. Whatever it may be.

You keep mentioning it was supposed to be made. If a movie hasn't been greenlit, then it wasn't supposed to be made. The studios was simply looking to see if Deadpool was a viable property that could make them money. They inferred on it and decided to sit on it for now instead of rejecting or greenlighting it.

They didn't, as they probably didn't see much box office potential in the character at the time and were scared off by the prospect of a rated R superhero movie, not to mention the X-Men franchise was weakened by X-Men: Origins

I'm not saying Reynolds is the only reason, but if his career so far had gone another way, as in if his movies made money I believe a Deadpool movie would have been made. I'm not saying that Reynolds can't make a comeback, nor am I saying it will never be made, but it's not encouraging that their star of the Deadpool movie had several bombs and flops in a row. Reynolds is one of the reasons that Fox was discouraged from making a Deadpool movie. Yes, they looked into a Deadpool movie before Green Lantern, but it never said when they were going to make and greenlight a Deadpool movie.

But for sake, of argument, let's say that they were planning to make a deadpool movie soon. It still took them 2 years to get a director, and this was a few months before Green Lantern. It looks like things would have been a go, but then Green Lantern gets released, and talks of a Deadpool movie goes silent. That's not a coincidence. Not only did Green Lantern flop, but also his comedy The Change-Up flopped. Why would you greenlight a movie featuring a character who's merely a cult favorite with a rating that hasn't been popular with audiences of that genre box office wise with an actor who's had two box office flops?

I'm starting to think, that with the footage getting released among other things, that the main reason they sat on it is because Fox may have wanted to see how viable the X-Men franchise would be, and after Days of Future Past, many people's faith in the X-Men franchise was revitalized. Now it feels more possible they can expand on the universe again outside of Wolverine.

tl;dr, the movie hasn't been made yet because the X-Men franchise was weaker, their hesitance to make a Rated R superhero movie, Ryan Reynolds not being an indemand actor, and Deadpool not being that popular a character outside comic book circles (not without effort though).

 

[def28]

Overall Agree to disagree here.

When you cast and hire a Director, Actor and Writer yes it means a movie has the intention of being made. It was not announced to sit on hold for 5 years.

The bottom line here at least for me, is that Fox has zero confidence in these properties or characters. Or really gets why they work. They do not know wtf to do with all of them and keep flip flopping. They will keep ruining, adding or killing Emma Frosts. Have 10 spin offs in the mix, make one. **** up at some point and then try again. On top of that they are unwilling to take risks.

Deadpool is popular. Extremely. Whoever says he isn't aint looking at the sales, merch and media exposure he gets in everything but film. But even that doesn't even matter anymore cause GOTG (as well as Iron Man) proved movie audiences are not ranking these chracters on lists. Fox needs to start taking risks on some of these characters that plenty of people are interested in for a reason.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I think we're saying the same thing, but different sides of it. You're saying Fox has no confidence in it, and I'm saying the possible reasons why Fox hasn't had confidence in the project. I'm not saying those opinions or right, or even justified. I'm just spitballing reasons, and I'm overall not surprised that it hasn't been made.

But it seems like it could be on it's way to getting made.

 

[JP]

The bottom line here at least for me, is that Fox has zero confidence in these properties or characters. Or really gets why they work. They do not know wtf to do with all of them and keep flip flopping. They will keep ruining, adding or killing Emma Frosts. Have 10 spin offs in the mix, make one. **** up at some point and then try again. On top of that they are unwilling to take risks.

... Is this a joke?

 

[def28]

I think we're saying the same thing, but different sides of it. You're saying Fox has no confidence in it, and I'm saying the possible reasons why Fox hasn't had confidence in the project. I'm not saying those opinions or right, or even justified. I'm just spitballing reasons, and I'm overall not surprised that it hasn't been made.

But it seems like it could be on it's way to getting made.

Gotcha

... Is this a joke?

When it comes to their Marvel properties, no. Which pretty much has the same exact lineup of titles as it did last decade. No Surfer, no Deadpool, no X-Force, no New mutants etc. They could have branched and made many of these characters into new properties but they have never been able to pull the trigger. They stick with the same title names.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I'd argue Days of Future Past was riskier than all of those potential projects. It was a project that could have easily fallen apart and was make or break for the whole X-Men franchise.

 

[The Endless]

First Class was a bit of a risk. Making a movie without the MVP.

And DoFP had a lot riding on it.

 

[def28]

DOFP had everything Fox built in it for X-Men advertised. If that didn't hit, they would have had no choice but to reboot X-Men.

First Class was more a risk imo. There really has never been a film with X-Men in the title that flopped. They feel pretty safe with it. Which is why I think they won't budge outside that title.

 

[JP]

Gotcha



When it comes to their Marvel properties, no. Which pretty much has the same exact lineup of titles as it did last decade. No Surfer, no Deadpool, no X-Force, no New mutants etc. They could have branched and made many of these characters into new properties but they have never been able to pull the trigger. They stick with the same title names.

Not sure how any of that would have been possible before DoFP.. They obviously have a plan, and DoFP (and even First Class) was the start of it. Just because we don't yet know what their full slate is doesn't mean everything we've been hearing over the last few years since Millar, Kinberg, and Singer began working together is thrown out the window.

 

[Rike]

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Behind the scenes at the #Deadpool test. Ryan Reynolds wearing his black pants: pic.***********/rpEvTphzqT

 

[The Endless]

So they mo-capped his entire performance too? Awesome.

 

[def28]

Not sure how any of that would have been possible before DoFP.. They obviously have a plan, and DoFP (and even First Class) was the start of it. Just because we don't yet know what their full slate is doesn't mean everything we've been hearing over the last few years since Millar, Kinberg, and Singer began working together is thrown out the window.

Hope so. I'm very much all for more. I just really want to start to see some more confidence in their other properties soon. Been too much talk and no following through.

Awesome.

 

[JP]

Hope so. I'm very much all for more. I just really want to start to see some more confidence in their other properties soon. Been too much talk and no following through.

Agree... but it's not like they're taking it one film at a time. They have 4 Marvel films with release dates up until 2018..

 

[Da-Scribe]

First Class went for the more classic comic book look before Avengers popularized it. It was also a period piece (which on their own are risky endeavors) and like another poster mentioned, didn't feature the one character bringing their studio the most money. Not a single star in that film was a box office draw at the time. The Wolverine was half a foreign film, featured an almost exclusively Japanese cast, and featured a level of violence that you don't normally see in PG-13 films. DoFP was a time travel film, which automatically makes it a target for the continuity sticklers, and had a scope larger than anything we've seen in any CBM to date. And again, it was another period piece.

To say Fox doesn't take risks isn't really correct. Maybe they're not taking the risks you want, but they're taking huge risks most other studios haven't.

 

[def28]

Time travel aint a risk as a plot device with audiences. It's cool and fun. Neither is Wolverine in Japan being violent. Wolverine is one of the most marketable characters out there without one flop even when a film is labeled as being one of the worst comic flicks ever.

Those are things people want to see in these movies.

Again, this is more about taking risks with new properties they own. Not current ones they know already sell.

 

[JEM]

I understand people's frustration but the situation isn't black and white .
It isn't like, there are only two possibilities, you believe or you don't believe the properties. IMO, it is more grey situation .

With X3 and Wolverine , the franchise was in bad place so you need to rebuild and i take time .

Like JP said, it would have been difficult to do Surfer, Deadpool, X-Force movies before DoFP .

You need to rebuild before moving to an expanded universe

 

[def28]

Surfer and Deadpool are franchises that don't need to rely on the X-Men franchise's characters though. They need to both exist on their own away from the mansion and Logan. Deadpool, Surfer and X-Men fans all want different things. As they should.

I agree they needed to rebuild for the X-Men themselves. But they also need to not wait another decade before expanding. All these characters have still been going on for quite some time and we are already at the end of the second trilogy for X-Men. With nothing else to tie in for there biggest villain yet.

 

[JEM]

For Surfer, he is more related to Fantastic four but i think the logic is the same. After fantastic four and silver surfer, the franchise was in trouble .
If i am not wrong, Zak Penn was hired to write Silver Surfer movie but Fantastic four and silver surfer was disappointed so Fox give up .

For Deapool, Wolverine sucked BIG TIME and the franchise was almost died. Yes, Deapool and X men aren't necessarily connected but X men is central element for Fox.
If X men franchise goes wrong, it affects all other properties because the mutant are more important.
It suck for Deadpool fan but yeah the most important thing was to rebuild the X men .

X3 and Wolverine are killed the game and the evolution .

 

[def28]

Guess that's were I disagree. They can make both. Deadpool will not effect X-Men and vice versa if they are in their own movies. X-Men should be a priority but X-Men shouldn't stop other films from getting made. That's just lame. Surfer was the best thing about the F4 films and Deadpool isn't even a mutant. They can't go 7 years in then have a poorly received X-Men or F4 and go "Well, no more Deadpool or Surfer till 2030".

Anyways, they have plenty of well received X-Men at this point. So none of that should be an issue on moving forward now. The thing I'm also worried about is that this will cap off a new tril and they won't have any crossover potential with what they just built since First Class.

 

[JEM]

I know it suck but business is business from a financial point of view it is understandable .

For Deadpool, i think we will see him in the next 3 years .
The question is in Solo movie, Apocalyspe or X Force ?

 

[marvelrobbins]

For Surfer, he is more related to Fantastic four but i think the logic is the same. After fantastic four and silver surfer, the franchise was in trouble .
If i am not wrong, Zak Penn was hired to write Silver Surfer movie but Fantastic four and silver surfer was disappointed so Fox give up .

For Deapool, Wolverine sucked BIG TIME and the franchise was almost died. Yes, Deapool and X men aren't necessarily connected but X men is central element for Fox.
If X men franchise goes wrong, it affects all other properties because the mutant are more important.
It suck for Deadpool fan but yeah the most important thing was to rebuild the X men .

X3 and Wolverine are killed the game and the evolution .

Your wrong.JMS was hired to write the silver sufer spin-off which was killed by fox's decsion to reboot FF.

With deadpool 2 Issue a re likely Ryan Reynolds failure at box office and the r-rating that Lauren Shueller Donnor Is pushing as well as her insistance that Reynolds returns.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Guess that's were I disagree. They can make both. Deadpool will not effect X-Men and vice versa if they are in their own movies. X-Men should be a priority but X-Men shouldn't stop other films from getting made. That's just lame. Surfer was the best thing about the F4 films and Deadpool isn't even a mutant. They can't go 7 years in then have a poorly received X-Men or F4 and go "Well, no more Deadpool or Surfer till 2030".

Which is why they don't need to make. You can't just say Fox isn't taking risks because your favorite hero hasn't gotten a movie. I can understand your frustration but Deadpool's just not a high priority for Fox, or possibly wasn't.

 

[JEM]

Your wrong.JMS was hired to write the silver sufer spin-off which was killed by fox's decsion to reboot FF.

With deadpool 2 Issue a re likely Ryan Reynolds failure at box office and the r-rating that Lauren Shueller Donnor Is pushing as well as her insistance that Reynolds returns.

Thanks, i wasn't sure. Lauren Shueller Donnor is pushing hard for everything t: .

 

[def28]

I know it suck but business is business from a financial point of view it is understandable .

That's the part I also disagree with because they could be making money on other characters. Instead of focusing on only fixing other ones. It doesn't really make sense to me.

But hey, hopefully the future is bright and this year shows that all Marvel characters are interesting to audiences when done right.

 

[JEM]

That's the part I also disagree with because they could be making money on other characters. Instead of focusing on only fixing other ones. It doesn't really make sense to me.

But hey, hopefully the future is bright and this year shows that all Marvel characters are interesting to audiences when done right.

Hum, don't forget that Fox don't make only comic book movies .
IMO, fixing X men was their main preoccupation because it is lucrative franchise .
It is like the complain with WB, it suck for DC fan but WB is the most powerful studios i will not blame them for not think DC Universe every time .

But hey, we live in different time so i think we will se more diversity the next few years .