Deadpool & Wolverine Deadpool & Wolverine Spoiler Thread

[Charzhin0]

I can't believe they wrote a whole article about this when it was clearly explained in the movie. At least the comments have called them out.

Deadpool only found out about Logan's death from Paradox who exists outside of time in the TVA. He then steals a TVA phone and uses it to travel into the future to dig up the grave. When he finds bones he then continues traveling to different universes to find a Wolverine. There is no plot hole here.

The only issue is why do Wade's actions play out in "real time" when the TVA is supposed to be outside of time. They can jump to any point in time. But this is always a problem with any time travel story.

If the TVA are outside of time, then Logan is always dying from their perspective.

And why would they pull Deadpool out from year 2024 when Logan dies in year 2029. Were the TVA planning things early to remove Deadpool from that timeline, years before they really needed to?

 

[X-Maniac]

I can't believe they wrote a whole article about this when it was clearly explained in the movie. At least the comments have called them out.

Deadpool only found out about Logan's death from Paradox who exists outside of time in the TVA. He then steals a TVA phone and uses it to travel into the future to dig up the grave. When he finds bones he then continues traveling to different universes to find a Wolverine. There is no plot hole here.

The only issue is why do Wade's actions play out in "real time" when the TVA is supposed to be outside of time. They can jump to any point in time. But this is always a problem with any time travel story.

There are people disagreeing in the comments on that article, so it can't have been that clear, lol. But discussion is good if it helps to solve the mysteries. I found it a bit muddled myself, to be honest, it was all a bit chaotic and never paused for breath most of the time.

So, to run through this, Logan died in 2029, five years after the year (2024) Deadpool was currently in when he was pulled to the TVA. Paradox, existing in the TVA outside time, wanted to speed up the process of the Deadpool/Logan universe disappearing... from 2,000 years or so to around 72 hours. Deadpool leapt forward and found Logan's remains so he then had to find a living Wolverine who could be alive in Earth-10005. (The only issue here is that Logan would already still be alive in Deadpool's current 2024 timeline as it was five years before he died!).

 

[kguillou]

I like your guys’ explanation but also remember Deadpool referenced Logan’s death several times in Deadpool 2 as well. As a matter if fact thats how the film opens. But i guess with Deadpool what even is reality right?

 

[PunyGod]

My only problem with all is the thing about Anchor Beings and what happens when they die. It's a ridiculous idea in a sea of already questionable ideas related to the TVA.

They can retcon that to say Paradox was lying. He just really wanted to destroy Deadpool's universe. I'm still not exactly clear on why.

 

[PunyGod]

And why would they pull Deadpool out from year 2024 when Logan dies in year 2029.

Because thats when the movie came out. There is really no other answer. Obviously the TVA could take him from any point in time.

 

[PunyGod]

Deadpool leapt forward and found Logan's remains so he then had to find a living Wolverine who could be alive in Earth-10005. (The only issue here is that Logan would already still be alive in Deadpool's current 2024 timeline as it was five years before he died!).

The Wolverine he found was not from 10005. It was another random universe where the X-Men died.

 

[PunyGod]

I like your guys’ explanation but also remember Deadpool referenced Logan’s death several times in Deadpool 2 as well. As a matter if fact thats how the film opens. But i guess with Deadpool what even is reality right?

True. I guess we have to ignore 4th wall breaks for it to make any sense.

 

[X-Maniac]

The Wolverine he found was not from 10005. It was another random universe where the X-Men died.

Yes, i know that. Maybe my original sentence wasn't clear. I'll reword it: He had to find another Wolverine from another universe who could then still be alive when brought back into 10005.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

I like your guys’ explanation but also remember Deadpool referenced Logan’s death several times in Deadpool 2 as well. As a matter if fact thats how the film opens. But i guess with Deadpool what even is reality right?

True. I guess we have to ignore 4th wall breaks for it to make any sense.

He also mentions Logan's R-rating at the same time he brings up Logan's death, so yeah, that was clearly a fourth wall break rather than, like, something he watched on the news or whatever.

But admittedly with Deadpool it can be hard to tell the difference sometimes. Like when mentions that Sabretooth is Wolverine's brother, is that something he's supposed to know normally, or was he just dropping a random X-men Origins reference for the lulz? Who knows with that guy.

 

[PunyGod]

Yes, i know that. Maybe my original sentence wasn't clear. I'll reword it: He had to find another Wolverine from another universe who could then still be alive when brought back into 10005.

Right. There is now a variant Wolverine in the Fox X-Men universe.

And I guess an older X23 has been brought back to 2024 (assuming that's when the ending happens).

 

[psylockolussus]

The existence of TVA is like one of the biggest mysteries of the MCU for me. I feel like I didn't get much from the Loki series, regarding their existence and how could they really operate in a different dimension (outside of time). I feel like for those who haven't seen Loki, it gets pretty confusing more.

And speaking of Tva, I'm an indeed the anchor of Earth-X.

 

[DyeLorean]

The existence of TVA is like one of the biggest mysteries of the MCU for me.

As much as I like the TVA "in concept", I think it muddles the waters of the MCU as a whole. It's a bit too fantastical for my liking. I can deal with space and time travel. Even multiverses. That's fine. Plausible even. But an entity that works outside of time and space is a bit much for me.

 

[psylockolussus]

I hope they address their existence more in Doomsday / Secret Wars. We aren't getting a third season of Loki. I like the sci-fi vibe of TVA, the TVA offices are really pretty and there's such a mystique around that agency - though their agents just look like everyday people. Like I need a proper history lesson just because it does seem a bit too grand in the grand scheme of things.

 

[DyeLorean]

My uncle is gonna go see this movie with his daughter tomorrow... I don't think he has ever seen a Marvel movie. I told him that I can't imagine someone watching this movie without SOME kind of knowledge. "I'll tell you tomorrow" he said.
It's a mystery. I don't think this movie makes sense on its own. I guess we'll see.

 

[PunyGod]

As much as I like the TVA "in concept", I think it muddles the waters of the MCU as a whole. It's a bit too fantastical for my liking. I can deal with space and time travel. Even multiverses. That's fine. Plausible even. But an entity that works outside of time and space is a bit much for me.

I don't have a problem with the TVA or Timecops policing the universe.

But Kang is literally God preventing people from having free will. That has insane ramifications. And it turns out he was actually doing the right thing.

 

[PunyGod]

My uncle is gonna go see this movie with his daughter tomorrow... I don't think he has ever seen a Marvel movie. I told him that I can't imagine someone watching this movie without SOME kind of knowledge. "I'll tell you tomorrow" he said.
It's a mystery. I don't think this movie makes sense on its own. I guess we'll see.

I think it will make sense. You can follow the basic story of Wade wanting to save his family and universe. Obviously some of the cameos aren't going to have much impact.

And I think everyone knows who Deadpool and Wolverine are thru cultural osmosis.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Just came here to say, Channing Tatum deserves his Gambit movie. And Wesley Snipes will always be my Blade.

 

[TheVileOne]

The fact of the matter is this. Nothing about the timeline makes sense. Nothing about the continuity makes sense. You can't make sense out of it because it functionally does not work just like the rest of the X-Men movies.

It doesn't stand up to scrutiny, so don't even try. You just have to accept it and ignore it and enjoy. That simple.

Deadpool & Wolverine posits that the Deadpool trilogy is the same universe as Logan and the other X-Men movies, which just doesn't work. Because in this same universe, we had Wade Wilson/Deadpool from X-Men Origins Wolverine, who Deadpool time traveled and literally wasted. So there are two different Deadpools/Wade Wilsons in the SAME universe who look...

See I'm doing it. I'm scrutinizing something in an utterly pointless endeavor. It's ridiculous and doesn't work. It's wacky wibbly wobbly timey-wimey Deadpool. You just have to move on because that's that.

 

[InCali]

Just got back from seeing it with my wife and son and we freaking loved it. Look, it was meant for what it is....funny as hell. A break from other SH movies, but who cares?

 

[LoganPool]

My uncle is gonna go see this movie with his daughter tomorrow... I don't think he has ever seen a Marvel movie. I told him that I can't imagine someone watching this movie without SOME kind of knowledge. "I'll tell you tomorrow" he said.
It's a mystery. I don't think this movie makes sense on its own. I guess we'll see.

The only Marvel movie my oldest daughter ever watched was Deadpool, and she saw D&W yesterday and LOVED it. She can't stop talking about it. And now she wants to go back and watch EVERYTHING she's missed. lol

 

[kguillou]

I'm trying to get confirmation on this...was that Kelly Hu back as Lady Deathstrike or someone else?

 

[BoredGuy]

I'm trying to get confirmation on this...was that Kelly Hu back as Lady Deathstrike or someone else?

Nah I think it was just a stunt woman
Photos we've seen were not her, and I'd think we'd get at least one close up shot if it was her

 

[Drizzle]

I'm trying to get confirmation on this...was that Kelly Hu back as Lady Deathstrike or someone else?

Nah I think it was just a stunt woman
Photos we've seen were not her, and I'd think we'd get at least one close up shot if it was her

Yeah, the only actors who actually came back to reprise their roles as Cassandra's lackeys were Tyler Mane and Aaron Stanford. The only one that I found distracting was Juggernaut because apart from just being used to Vinnie Jones for that specific character, IIRC he was the only one who actually spoke.

 

[BlackFox]

I somewhat underestimated the appeal of Henry Cavill, the reactions Ive seen in cinema's for his cameo is possibly more nuts than even Hugh putting on the mask or some of the other cameo's and even in places like Japan, Korea, India they are going crazy for him. He really has a cult like following.

 

[Drizzle]

When the end credits scene started, I was so certain that we were going to see the reason why Thor was crying over Deadpool but what we actually got was absolute gold.