Death's in X3?

[GoldGoblin]

Yes there should be a death or two.It makes it more real.It also shows that the mutants can be very dangerous and why humans are afraid of them.

 

[TNC9852002]

When I wrote my outline, the only three main/minor characters that died were Phoenix/Jean (maybe), Magneto, and Bolivar Trask..

I'm still wondering if Jean should live in the end or not..

-TNC

 

[Almighty Pejo]

Damn double post...

But I usurp this one to say that having Jean die at the end of X-men 3 would be kinda pointless. She died at the end of the second movie (which makes it redundant) and she'll be coming back from it in the third movie. If death couldn't hold her once, what makes one think it will have any effect the second time around?

 

[Almighty Pejo]

I liked the Thunderbird character from wayback, and thought in the movie, they should have a student die for the cause like he did. I think it would add more realism. I read he had a brother called Warpath that blamed Xavier for his death and was bent on revenge. Maybe they could make him part of the Brotherhood.

I always wanted to see Wolverine and Thunderbird square off as they were the two hotheads of the group. I think the whole reason X-Men bacame popular in the '70's was for pretty basic reasons. Yeah, the characters were richer than the original mutants but let's face it...they were more violent! Young boys hyped on testosterone would rather read about guys battling it out with their genetically enhanced dukes instead of laser beams and snowballs.

Jean died for the cause, so that's already been taken care of. And I don't think the machismo of Thunderbird/Wolverine really had anything to do with the success of the X-Men in the 70's, especially since Thunderbird was there for like 3 issues, died, and then his personality got transferred to Wolverine. The success of the X-Men of the 70's can be summed up in two words: Girl Power. The 80's...well, that's a different story.

***EDIT*** Warpath blamed Banshee for Thunderbird's death, not Xavier. Just caught that and wanted to correct it for you.

 

[EternalMaster]

I say leave out the death. If anything have Magneto get seeminly killed, so people can speculate. "Did the building crush him? Did he make it out?"

 

[TNC9852002]

Damn double post...

But I usurp this one to say that having Jean die at the end of X-men 3 would be kinda pointless. She died at the end of the second movie (which makes it redundant) and she'll be coming back from it in the third movie. If death couldn't hold her once, what makes one think it will have any effect the second time around?

That's exactly the thing I'm trying to consider...Sometimes redundancy works in films if done correctly..I'm sure I can think of a way for Jean to die again in a way that doesn't connect itself to the situation of the end of the second film, but, maybe that could prove too difficult and unsatisfying. The easy way out would be for her to finally be brought back to live, after seeming to be strucken dead after Phoenix has (left her/dissapated/??). I'll have to think about that, but I'm sure the movie will go with the latter..

-TNC

 

[Almighty Pejo]

That's exactly the thing I'm trying to consider...Sometimes redundancy works in films if done correctly..I'm sure I can think of a way for Jean to die again in a way that doesn't connect itself to the situation of the end of the second film, but, maybe that could prove too difficult and unsatisfying. The easy way out would be for her to finally be brought back to live, after seeming to be strucken dead after Phoenix has (left her/dissapated/??). I'll have to think about that, but I'm sure the movie will go with the latter..

-TNC

I do agree that sometimes redundancy can be a good thing, but the redundancy I would have is not really her death, but her sacrifice. If Dark Phoenix is taken to the extreme extents of all things evil, then she has to do something to redeem herself. I think exhausting all her powers to stop the sentinels in the final climax will show her as the epitome of heroism (they dont just call her Phoenix because of the bird, you know ) and not only eliminate the sentinels, but her dangerously wicked power as well. All will end in a something of a wash (I know, very deus ex machina, but whatcha gonna do? ) and one can leave us with an open-ending, but still maintain some sense of finality and closure.

 

[TNC9852002]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........................

-TNC

 

[bosef982]

Magneto. It seems likely. Also, Jean, something tragic. Magneto dies. Period. But it all depends on the way they go, anyways...

 

[swifty]

if magneto dies, he should come back in the next movie as "MAGNETO THE WHITE!"




bah!

will he have to utter the words..."fly you fools" before dying?

 

[DarthPlagueis]

Um, this is the movies not the comics. I think killing off a few characters would make room for new characters in future sequels. And I hope they don't bring back Sabretooth(maybe in the Wolverine movie) or Toad. Let new mutants get some screentime dammit.

 

[X-Maniac]

No, no, no.....

Jean dying again would just not work in the movies. In the movieworld, we want to see redemption - she is either stripped of all power, or stripped of the Phoenix power. it would be good to see that resolution, followed by her marriage to Scott and the birth of Rachel and/or Cable, with Storm clearing the clouds on the wedding day.

Magneto might appear to die, as in the comics, but needs to be around to reflect on his past in the solo movie. Perhaps he is just very badly injured.

I think it would make sense for a young mutant to die - perhaps Pyro is consumed by the Phoenix fire when he foolishly tries to control it and wrest control of it from Jean? Perhaps another young student is killed by wreckage or a blast in a Sentinel attack, or as an indirect result of Jean's corruption to Dark Phoenix (such as when part of a building collapses during a Phoenix moment).

 

[JewishHobbit]

I think since there's so much controversy for Storm coming back and she won't do it unless given a bigger role. I say make her roll bigger and then kill her and just finnish the need of her. I don't know how that would tie in with the Phoenix Saga but I'm sure it could work. It would keep the character of Storm with the same face but stop the sensless debate of if she's coming back for another or not.

 

[Kmack]

Love your avvy

 

[JewishHobbit]

Thanks

 

[aosist]

Love your avvy

Wow. Nice contribution.

I love sarcasm.

Back on point, I think they should waste a **** load of them. Take out Mags, any Brotherhood guys he has with him, and at least two X-Men. I'd go with Cyke and Storm. The former because it would be fitting, the latter because I hate her.

 

[TNC9852002]

Yeah JewishHobbit, but with that logic, shouldn't everyone be killed off then?..

-TNC

 

[EternalMaster]

Actually the more I think about it... maybe it really is time to kill off Magneto. At least for this X-Men series. Because let's face it: Ian is pretty old, and at the pace these films are being made, he won't be around that much longer. So either X3 has the finish of the series, or Magneto has to get killed off.

But hey, the X-Men have plenty of villains, and Magneto has had a good run in the series so far. As long as he has a fitting finish, I'd be ok with it.

 

[reflect4ever]

I think they could kill anybody in the franchise except Wolverine and nobody would choke on their popcorn. I think we can do without offing any major players. Kill some low-level baddies or good-guys (Pyro, Iceman, etc.). The movieverse is different from the comics. I think the best bet though is the end of Magneto. Sir Ian is up there in age and I think the only way to get out of a Magneto storyline is to have him die or be presumed dead.

 

[TNC9852002]

I don't think age has much to do with it, considering that X3 is supposed to be the last installment in this X-Men series anyway...

So, whenever they start back with another series of X-Men movies, there'll most likely be an entire new cast anyway..

-TNC

 

[X-Maniac]

I am very disappointed in most of you.

Your decisions are based on your personal dislikes and on things like age discrimination. How pathetic.

Why not make decisions based on the storyline, on the logical organic flow of events so far? On the need for a resolution to the story arc? Are you all so moronic that this escapes you.

Instead we have 'I hate 'insert name' - he/she should be killed off' blah-friggin-blah!

Come back and make sensible suggestions when you have had a brain implant.

How the effin' hell could they kill off Magneto if he has a solo movie coming up? You do not kill off a character who is about to be the central character of a solo spin-off movie. Use your heads people.

I am very disappointed in this debate and in several other debates on here. Stupid fanboy morons need destroying before X3, never mind who will be destroyed in X3 itself. Then perhaps we could have reasoned debate. Oh, how I dream of that.

 

[TNC9852002]

Well for me X-Maniac, to my understanding, there has not been much confirmation on the Magneto movie so far...

Also, from what I hear, it is supposed to be a PREQUEL, establishing events mostly leading from Magneto's concentration camp survival up to only a few decades before X-Men 1, so not only would Ian McKellen not be required in the film, but it wouldn't be affected by any circumstances that has already occured in the films so far and upcomng...

That's still not the reason why he should die or anything like that..His death scene in my outline in X3 would be sacrificial and symbolic. Even though he knows Phoenix has been capable of destroying humans, she/it has also capable of destroying mutants also. Magneto sacrifices part of his beliefs of a mutant-superior world by helping Xavier in destroying it. In doing this, Magneto is severely wounded. He dies, but he also saves human lives in the process. It is not exactly necessary for him to die, but I think it would add more drama and underly the theme for the ending of the X-Men series.

See?...I THOUGHT about it!..

-TNC

 

[reflect4ever]

I am very disappointed in most of you.

Your decisions are based on your personal dislikes and on things like age discrimination. How pathetic.

Why not make decisions based on the storyline, on the logical organic flow of events so far? On the need for a resolution to the story arc? Are you all so moronic that this escapes you.

Instead we have 'I hate 'insert name' - he/she should be killed off' blah-friggin-blah!

Come back and make sensible suggestions when you have had a brain implant.

How the effin' hell could they kill off Magneto if he has a solo movie coming up? You do not kill off a character who is about to be the central character of a solo spin-off movie. Use your heads people.

I am very disappointed in this debate and in several other debates on here. Stupid fanboy morons need destroying before X3, never mind who will be destroyed in X3 itself. Then perhaps we could have reasoned debate. Oh, how I dream of that.

Well, obviously your the smart one in here. Or didn't you notice that I was saying that a logical conclusion to a Magneto arc is the death of Magneto. And as far a solo movie goes, it may be a prequel. So don't assume...cuz you make....well your so smart, figure it out.

 

[X-Maniac]

Well, obviously your the smart one in here. Or didn't you notice that I was saying that a logical conclusion to a Magneto arc is the death of Magneto. And as far a solo movie goes, it may be a prequel. So don't assume...cuz you make....well your so smart, figure it out.

Ok, let's spell it out for you. Magneto's solo movie IS going to be a prequel, that has been established already. But since McKellen is now associated with the character in moviegoers' minds, he will have to play some part in it - as a voiceover, as a character having flashbacks while reflecting (or possibly while recovering from terrible injuries, or even - yes - possibly while dying).

But his death is somehow unlikely, since he is the philosophical opposite to Xavier. As in the comics, he is the crucial counterbalance to the X-Men, who sees things in the opposite way and reminds them of why they are what they are and why they do what they do.

 

[TNC9852002]

Bah,...we really don't know anything, so we can still only speculate, hmmm?..

I can speculate that there could be just as much good for him NOT to die than there is for him TO die...Perhaps the two ideas can mesh to where Magneto is thought to be dead for a period of time in the movie (like I've suggested), then he comes back...Whether or not he REALLY dies again for sure,..I'm not sure..

-TNC