Superman Returns Did Lex's plan make sense to anyone?

[Dark Knight]

You're right. In the end, they're comic book movies. Same with Batman Begins: The evil plot was a tad over-the-top but it's a comic book movie and it really didn't contridict the tone that Nolan wanted.

I think my issue with Lex's plan was it was a rehash, but the stakes are higher. Personally, because of the resources that Lex NOW has with the crystals, he could of done something else. BUT like what you said, his evil plot is no better than Doc Ock's or Green Goblin......

I don't know what people are expecting: They're villains. They're evil! GRR!

Exactly!

 

[Dark Knight]

One of the reasons I like The Green Goblin's plan so much in SPIDER-MAN is that it's not a plan, it's what he does. It's characterization. He's arrogant, and he wants to be top dog, and he'll hurt/kill anyone who gets in his way who doesn't heed his warnings. I loved that about SPIDER-MAN, it made it very personal. He didn't need to take over the city, he just needed to be better than everyone else, and on top, with nothing to stop him.

Some of you are missing the point about Superman soaking in the sun and then removing New Krypton from the Earth. The point is not that Kryptonite doesn't harm him there or that the solar energy prevented it from hurting him, the point is, he knew he was likely going to die, and he went up and soaked in all the POWER he could...before he SACRIFICED himself for the people of his adopted world. Brandon Routh is not a great actor, so a lot of the actual "sacrifice" didn't come through until he essentially died. Now, the Kryptonite was fused into the rock, and a lot of the rock was in the way of the Kryptonite, so I have no problems with that scene.

Exactly.


Agreed. And well said.


Yup. Darn cool, but yeah, pretty craptacular.

If it's "just a comic movie", then it's "just a comic book movie". It's either a comic book movie, or it's a movie with some depth and logic. But it can't be both at the same time. Not as an overall piece of work. So which is it? Lex Luthor's plan is a major weakness of the story and mechanics of the film.


I agree. He could have just built New Krypton as a fortress of sorts for himself. As a way to lure Superman to him with massive destruction and a means to kill him via Kryptonite poisoning. And then he could have implied that he was going to use Superman's technology to get what he felt he deserved. The beachfront property idea did not need to be a part of this film.


Yep. That disappointed me. And since Singer essentially sold us on this being the main thematic of the film, I expected much more.

Would have Lex's grand plan failed??

He did have the Kyptonian Crystals.....

remember what he said...."I have advanced alien technology....thousands of years ahead of what ANYONE can throw at me."

So he basically could have hel the world for ransom....What nation would be able to challenge him??

 

[LongshotRules]

Would have Lex's grand plan failed??

He did have the Kyptonian Crystals.....

remember what he said...."I have advanced alien technology....thousands of years ahead of what ANYONE can throw at me."

So he basically could have hel the world for ransom....What nation would be able to challenge him??

We already establish that he couldn't stop all the nukes or weapons coming at him. Besides if the nations wouldn't deal with him how was he gonna survive without any food and drink? It'd be nice to show just how he was going to hold the world for random besides empty threats.

 

[Raiden]

I'm 26 years ago! How is GG or Doc Ock insane in the movie not comics or carttons. lets see GG came to be because norman injected him self with something i forget... so IMHO he was not insane only dumd for injecting hemself. now Doc Ock his " arms" were controlling him not the other way around please...... AGAIN I OWN AND ENJOY BOTH SPIDERMAN MOVIES. If you are going to bad talk one than do it for all of them....thx norm

Norm Osbourne would talk to the "Goblin" or the voices inside his head from time to time, and the voices tell him what to do and whom to kill. Doc Ock was definitely controlled by his tentacles and wasn't himself, not until the end when Peter was able to get through to him. If you really own both Spider-man movies, then you should know all of these insteda of having us tell you.

 

[the norminator]

Norm Osbourne would talk to the "Goblin" or the voices inside his head from time to time, and the voices tell him what to do and whom to kill. Doc Ock was definitely controlled by his tentacles and wasn't himself, not until the end when Peter was able to get through to him. If you really own both Spider-man movies, then you should know all of these insteda of having us tell you.

i fully know superman movie plot lines. i was making a point that if lex's plan didn't make sense than GG or Doc Ock's plan did not make any sense also. I LOVE all three these movies ( Spiderman 1 & 2, SR) it just got to me how people would trash SR plot but praise Spiderman's plot. Yes i must admit it was starting to piss me off.... but now i'm fine back to my happy self. So if anyone thought i was trashing Spider-man I'm SORRY..... See ya at the moives in May for SM3....thx norm

 

[Naite22]

Without having seen the film yet, I can tell you this! YES, Lex's plan DOES make sense, and a whole lot too. Lex is the only one besides superman who knows about the Kryptonian tecknowlegdy. The only one besides supes who knows the power within the Crystal. With superman out of the picture, the world is as Lex's disposal! As he says, he has alien tecknowlegdy 1000 of years beyond what anyone can throw at him. He can thereby be ruler of the world, when he's the one in control of New Krypton (that presumingly keeps on growing).

So, not ONLY will he have gotten rid of the man of steel, he will also be the master of the universe, AND, he would have done it using superman's own Kryptonian tecknowlegdy against him!!! Sounds like it makes damn good sense to me.

 

[Cold2daToucH004]

Its a comic book movie. Stop trying to make sense out of it.

Lets play this game for a second and try to make sense of one of our fav superhero's

-Spider-Mans web wouldn't come out of his wrist, it would come out of his A$$.

I admit, lex's plan was a bit over the top, and didn't really make sense. But enjoy yourself when your at the movies, don't be so damn picky.

 

[WTFwuzThT]

It made sense to me it just wasn't written very well. For me having Lex dry hump an old woman for his money was insipid writing. The character fell apart for me right there so yeah the land plot I thought was pretty dumb.

 

[Octoberist]

It made sense to me it just wasn't written very well. For me having Lex dry hump an old woman for his money was insipid writing. The character fell apart for me right there so yeah the land plot I thought was pretty dumb.

Yeah, I didn't like that. I wished that Lex had SOME integrity in how he gets his wealth back, but all well.

 

[WTFwuzThT]

The whole he's a super evil genius that has to pimp himself out to dying old women for money I thought just didn't jive with what the character is. It was just a quick but weak way to get it over and done with. I'm surprised nothing more's been said about it actually.

 

[HoratioRome]

I'm 26 years ago! How is GG or Doc Ock insane in the movie not comics or carttons. lets see GG came to be because norman injected him self with something i forget... so IMHO he was not insane only dumd for injecting hemself. now Doc Ock his " arms" were controlling him not the other way around please...... AGAIN I OWN AND ENJOY BOTH SPIDERMAN MOVIES. If you are going to bad talk one than do it for all of them....thx norm

OK 26, Tthat's old enough for you to be able to understand this stuff.
You say Osborn was not insane just "dumb" for injecting himself.
ok,..I don't know what your point is exactly but there are a LOT of problems with that statement with respect to the argument.

first, you are right, Osborn was NOT insane, BEFORE he injected himself. But he was not dumb either. He had developed a formula which HE BELIEVED would make human beings stronger, and better. He wanted to take all the time he needed to test it out, but he was put in a situation where he had to make a decision right away. Trusting in his formula, he took a shot. That is not Dumb. He may have been wrong, but he wasn't stupid.
Now as for clues to his insanity AFTER he took the serum,..they were ALL THROUGHOUT the movie. You know, little things like talking to himself, split personality, etc. It was made CLEAR that GG was CLINICALLY insane.
Even then, his "plan" was not as stupid or as silly as Lex's. As many have pointed out,..GG's plan was simply to take over the city by eliminating his enemies. He first tried to team up with SM, then tried to kill him after SM refused. there is nothing stupid about that.

as for Doc Ock.The movie protrays it as the arms controlled him. So accepting that, clearly he was not in control of his own mind. I t was also made clear that he was quite insane and he was delusional,( talking to himself,) etc. It is my personal belief that the arms weren't in fact controlling him but that his mind split and created a personality for the arms. but that's neither her nor there.
The fact remains, either way he was not in control.
and his plan was not that silly either. He was simply trying to finish something he had been working for HIS WHOLE life, by ANY means necissary.
basically both GG and Doc Ock lost their inhabitions and the morals, much like ANY real criminal.

what YOU have to understand about Lex's plan.,... What you are old enough to understand is that Lex's plan itself MADE NO SENSE. It's not the fact that he had a plan that involved killing Billions that's the problem. It's the fact that his goal could NEVER be achieved. that the plan was dumb.

It would be like me wanting to get some apples and my plan is to burn down my neighbor's house. One has nothing to do with the other. And the action could NEVER achieve the goal.

as it has been said here WAY TOO MANY TIMES.
if he killed BILLIONS of people, there would be no one left to BUY his land. and like it or not THAT was his plan. he wanted to populate his continent by selling it off and making billions.

Please, please don't say there would still be people left on earth. You HAVE to be smart enough at 26 to know that just because there is unhabitted land doesn't mean people are going to leave their homeland. You must know that MOST of AMERICA is unpopulated for example. that there is PLENTY of vast open spaces for sale right here in AMERICA that people are not buying up and leaving their homeland for.
Why would they do it now. nm the fact that this new land would be a barren rocky piece of land that frankly humans could not live on. seriously you have to see the absurdity in this script.

and this is just ONE of the MANY MANY reasons why this plan was stupid. read the other posts for the others.

Come on, you must see the stupidity and inplausibility of this plan.

 

[War Lord]

The whole he's a super evil genius that has to pimp himself out to dying old women for money I thought just didn't jive with what the character is. It was just a quick but weak way to get it over and done with. I'm surprised nothing more's been said about it actually.

In didn't have a problem with this scene, because he just got out of jail and had no contacts. It's fairly hard to build wealth and power without contacts.

The only real problem with the movie as far as Lex goes, as far as I'm concerned, was how the crystal scenes were done. This could have been improved mightily.

 

[GhostPoet]

It was a genius plan. Grow a NEW land mass...one that Lex is in control of. A new world...one where Superman can't survive in for very long.

 

[GhostPoet]

OK 26, Tthat's old enough for you to be able to understand this stuff.
You say Osborn was not insane just "dumb" for injecting himself.
ok,..I don't know what your point is exactly but there are a LOT of problems with that statement with respect to the argument.

first, you are right, Osborn was NOT insane, BEFORE he injected himself. But he was not dumb either. He had developed a formula which HE BELIEVED would make human beings stronger, and better. He wanted to take all the time he needed to test it out, but he was put in a situation where he had to make a decision right away. Trusting in his formula, he took a shot. That is not Dumb. He may have been wrong, but he wasn't stupid.
Now as for clues to his insanity AFTER he took the serum,..they were ALL THROUGHOUT the movie. You know, little things like talking to himself, split personality, etc. It was made CLEAR that GG was CLINICALLY insane.
Even then, his "plan" was not as stupid or as silly as Lex's. As many have pointed out,..GG's plan was simply to take over the city by eliminating his enemies. He first tried to team up with SM, then tried to kill him after SM refused. there is nothing stupid about that.

as for Doc Ock.The movie protrays it as the arms controlled him. So accepting that, clearly he was not in control of his own mind. I t was also made clear that he was quite insane and he was delusional,( talking to himself,) etc. It is my personal belief that the arms weren't in fact controlling him but that his mind split and created a personality for the arms. but that's neither her nor there.
The fact remains, either way he was not in control.
and his plan was not that silly either. He was simply trying to finish something he had been working for HIS WHOLE life, by ANY means necissary.
basically both GG and Doc Ock lost their inhabitions and the morals, much like ANY real criminal.

what YOU have to understand about Lex's plan.,... What you are old enough to understand is that Lex's plan itself MADE NO SENSE. It's not the fact that he had a plan that involved killing Billions that's the problem. It's the fact that his goal could NEVER be achieved. that the plan was dumb.

It would be like me wanting to get some apples and my plan is to burn down my neighbor's house. One has nothing to do with the other. And the action could NEVER achieve the goal.

as it has been said here WAY TOO MANY TIMES.
if he killed BILLIONS of people, there would be no one left to BUY his land. and like it or not THAT was his plan. he wanted to populate his continent by selling it off and making billions.

Please, please don't say there would still be people left on earth. You HAVE to be smart enough at 26 to know that just because there is unhabitted land doesn't mean people are going to leave their homeland. You must know that MOST of AMERICA is unpopulated for example. that there is PLENTY of vast open spaces for sale right here in AMERICA that people are not buying up and leaving their homeland for.
Why would they do it now. nm the fact that this new land would be a barren rocky piece of land that frankly humans could not live on. seriously you have to see the absurdity in this script.

and this is just ONE of the MANY MANY reasons why this plan was stupid. read the other posts for the others.

Come on, you must see the stupidity and inplausibility of this plan.

If he killed billions of people....most of the rich and the governments would survive...the only ones who have the money to buy the land Lex will sell. Screw the regular joe...they couldn't afford the land.

 

[War Lord]

It was a genius plan. Grow a NEW land mass...one that Lex is in control of. A new world...one where Superman can't survive in for very long.

The plan itself was good, but the movie didn't allot enough time to the crystal scenes to tell the story properly.

 

[afan]

It was a genius plan. Grow a NEW land mass...one that Lex is in control of. A new world...one where Superman can't survive in for very long.

How exactly is Lex in control of it?
What makes him the owner of the property?

The plan in S:TM accomplished ownership and was ingenious, but the plan in SR did not and was not.

 

[The Joker]

I don't mean to interrupt your debate on Lex's scheme, as I haven't seen the movie yet, but I just wanted to address some points regarding the Spidey movie villains.

first, you are right, Osborn was NOT insane, BEFORE he injected himself. But he was not dumb either. He had developed a formula which HE BELIEVED would make human beings stronger, and better. He wanted to take all the time he needed to test it out, but he was put in a situation where he had to make a decision right away. Trusting in his formula, he took a shot. That is not Dumb. He may have been wrong, but he wasn't stupid.

That is true. Because if he didn't believe the serum worked and was a danger, he wouldn't have tried it on himself.

Even then, his "plan" was not as stupid or as silly as Lex's. As many have pointed out,..GG's plan was simply to take over the city by eliminating his enemies. He first tried to team up with SM, then tried to kill him after SM refused. there is nothing stupid about that.

Well I don't know about Lex's plan, but GG's didn't make much sense to me. Ok, so he wanted to eliminate the people who were trying to run him out of business. I got that. That was fine.

Then he just developed this wierd obsession for Spider-Man joining him. Joining him for what?? What were they going to do?? Goblin never specified. He just seemed to want Spider-Man on side.

And as villain plans go, that was a little disappointing. But I did enjoy him hounding Spider-Man over it.

as for Doc Ock.The movie protrays it as the arms controlled him. So accepting that, clearly he was not in control of his own mind.

I don't believe he was controlled. I think that was a bad choice of words on the script writers part. Influenced yes, but not controlled. I think the A.I. in the arms were the bridge between Octavius and his dark side. His ruthless side. Remember he viciously swiped Spider-Man away at the demonstration, before he had the accident??

His ego refused to believe that his experiment was a failure, because it was something he worked on his whole life. It's not easy to accept that something you've dedicated your life to is a failure. When the arms start to speak to him, it's like someone talking him around, telling him everything he wants to hear.

No you didn't miscalculate. It was working. It's ok to steal money, because it would be a bigger crime not to finish the experiment. Let nothing stop you from doing this. NOTHING!!

It was also made clear that he was quite insane and he was delusional,( talking to himself,) etc.

That's not true. He wasn't talking to himself. There was really voices in his head. It was the A.I. in his arms. And he only talked to them once during his villainous run. The rest of the time it was him doing his own thing, and using the arms as weapons.

It is my personal belief that the arms weren't in fact controlling him but that his mind split and created a personality for the arms. but that's neither her nor there.

I don't think he had a split personality for the arms. But I do agree about them not controlling him. Influencing him yes, like a devil on his shoulder.

Remember this A.I. was programmed for fusion reactions. It can't create human emotions. It can't make Ock smile, laugh, and come out with his villainous lines. That was all Octavius. The arms just made him believe he was justified in doing what he was doing.

They were like drugs or alcohol. They altered his perception of reality.

The fact remains, either way he was not in control.

Not completely no. But he was somewhat in control. It's not like he was zombie going around saying "Must....rebuild.....reactor". He came across as quite in control of what he was doing. And he obviously knew what he was doing what wrong, otherwise he would not hide from the law. But even so, he felt he was justified in rebuilding his reactor.

and his plan was not that silly either. He was simply trying to finish something he had been working for HIS WHOLE life, by ANY means necissary.

Agreed.

Which is why I liked Ock's plan better. If he succeeded in what he was doing, then the whole city would be destroyed. Far more dangerous a threat than what the Goblin was doing.

basically both GG and Doc Ock lost their inhabitions and the morals, much like ANY real criminal.

True.

Though they were not accurate portrayls of Ock and GG in the movies, they were still cool villains.

Ok, that's my 2 cents.

Continue the Lex Luthor debate

 

[Mr. Socko]

Lex's stupid plans made no sense and I'm tired of Superman facing a real estate tycoon in every movie.

 

[The Riddler]

luthor isn't a genius.

his scheme made no freaking sense, whatsoever.

 

[Spare-Flair]

luthor isn't a genius.

his scheme made no freaking sense, whatsoever.

Luthor is a scientific, commercial, political, and military genius in the comics however. In this movie, he's nothing but a bald headed blue-collar bully.

 

[WTFwuzThT]

Luthor is a scientific, commercial, political, and military genius in the comics however. In this movie, he's nothing but a bald headed blue-collar bully.

That likes to hump old women for money instead of using his evil genius, lol.

 

[bosef982]

Okay, well, now that I've sifted through the dim-witedness and shortsightedness and, in The Guard's case -- HYPOCRISY -- on these boards, I'll move on to trying to explain this.

First and foresmot, I remember distinctly arguing that things could've been done differently in X3 with many of the same people here (The Guard included) and being told (The Guard saying) that I was substituting the actual film with my vision, amoutning to nothing more than "If I did it..."

That's al lthis is. A bunch of fanboys whining about how they would've done it if they were in control. For X3, we're suppose to understand budget constraints, time tables, schedules, etc....here, people were just expecting the world to explode in jubilation. It's a pathetic showcase of hypocrisy in almost every form.

BUt, let's move onto the plan, which really in terms of plot is no better or worse than the villian plan in such other acclaimed Comic-Book movies:

Luthor jacks Superman's technology to build his very own continent. Now, apparently, most of you have forgotten that America is not the center of the world. So, really, Luthor probably didn't care all that much about America's deaths and what would happen. He realized and knew he had an entire SIX CONTINENTS left over who would probably want to buy into that land eventually and yes people, despite its rather digusting and horrid look and arrival, the greedy of the world would've bought into the land Luthor made. Believe it or not, there are few countries out there that'd probably be thrilled (North Korea, Iran, Syria, China in some ways) that'd be gleefully happy with such open real estate and would buy into it without pause, especially if it gave them more technology overwhich to slam each other around and conquer. It'd be like reigniting the arms race between nations. Luthor knows this -- sadly, you guys do not.

The New World was created through such greed and scams -- Luthor is simply continuing a long tradition of imperalism started by us all long ago. Yes, billions would die, but billions more would need a new place to live and Luthor would be able to provide that in spades. Why would they bomb him at that point? Why? Becuase at that point the world needs the land just as much as Luthor does -- the land is now a valued object for millions of displaced people. Nuking it's not going to do a damn thing.

Now, Luthor creates his own continent and is doing it on the surface to make a huge amount of money. However, notice his particular attention. Notice how he does it....? Someone said it's not the villian's ACTIONS, not his plans that create a good villian -- well, Luthor doesn't just make a new landmass or blow up the coast. No. He steals his mortal enemies birthright, poisons it, and creates a bastardization of his homeworld that will foresake him through its very core. Yeah, that's not a good plan or anything....**rollseyes** He's creating a World Wihtout a Superman and in doing so, as many seemed to have missed, he's lost sight of it as well. Is his planned fall? Yes, very much so -- all villian's plans are flawed. If they weren't, they wouldn't be villians. They'd be leaders. Even Hitler, as effective as he was, had flawed plans -- it's all just a matter of time. Some of the most well-regarded mlitary strategists in our time all advocated plans that at one time or another would ultimately fail. What people are doing here is the equivalant of someone looking at American today and calling the Founding Fathers idiots for the way it turned out. At the time, and to this day in some ways, what they dsicovered was an AMAZING idea. Luthor's plan, while ultimately probably flawed in that he'd lose control in the end (a control he doesn't even notice due to his more IMPORTANT BLIND HATRED OF SUPERMAN), resonates with the human fallacy of leaping before you look ,or of going on your instinct, being driven by greed without thinking about the consequences.

Luthor is a genius. But he's not perfect. His plan is pretty genius. To figure out and understand the Kryptonian techonology is genius. However, his application would eventually self-destruct...or would it? With enough technology, it'd be over. But even as he says that, whiny fanboys have to go on and on about every single possibility? "Well, if a F-14 dropped a single-yield nuclear bomb on quadrant four, Luthor's plan would be foiled!!!!!!!!" Yet, I don't see people talking about Doc Ock's plan being stupid in the end, or Green Goblin's lack of goal being some sort of weakpoint, or -- since some of you think X3 was so genius -- Magneto's blind march on Alcatraz to do...what exactly? Oh yeah, kill his own kind and destroy a cure that's already being spread across the country...yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense!

Hypocrites much, The Guard especially?

So, no government response being shown...? I wondered this as well. But then again, we have a whole slew of things to consider. One: jurisidiction. Which government? Of course America could take the most pertinent interest. However, up until that point, Luthor's actions are not technically illegal. He's going out into open waters and creating his own landmass. I don't think the legal codes of war or civility have that covered or anticipated such a thing. My wager: Singer didn't show the gov't reaction because the reaction would be boring and confused and simply that -- a wait and see what's happening. For all they know, it could just be a general landmass growing. Either/or, it's not worthy of our attention in the movement of the action. Also, if you watch closely, the news IS covering the event and speaking of a general disturbance. However, I suppose all you close observors who love to nitpick every detail MISSED that detail.

So, Luthor is creating a landmass and some of you say its ugly. Well. Yeah. It's going to be. In fact, to most humans, Krypton itself looks pretty damn inhospitable and unfriendly. This was no different. And as an EMERGING landmass, that was continoually growing throughout the third act into something we never see, to judge it is being presumptous and somewhat ignorant.

However, remember, we're seeing Luthor in the very beginning of this landmass. For him to have made wepaons prior to the landmass rising would be a bit foolish considering he didn't even know exactly how the landmass would appear. Kryptonian weaponry would need a Kryptonian foundation from which to operate, thus while vulnerable for those few days, Luthor would have a great deal of time to orchestrate the next phase in his plan before or even as the government was attacking him. Remember, the gov't's not going to know exaclty what's going on. It could just be a new land mass...not Luthor. So they may not suspect ill-intent until its too late, by which time, as New Krypton starts breaking through hte East Coast, Luthor's got the weaponry ready to secure his landmass. To me, this all seems very self-obvious and easy -- to some here, not.

Lastly, this whole thing of border patrol and the like. Did it occur to anyone what Lex said in the first place? That he had alien technology BEYOND anything the world has ever seen. Just because he hadn't used it yet, doesn't mean he wasn't going to. In a day, not everyone's going to die, regroup, migrate, and get on his land. It'd take months for such a thing to begin happening, not to mention that New Krypton was alreayd sending out EMP pulses that deativated everything around it -- imagine once it breaches the coast what happens? Panic is always underestimated in cases like these.

The question everyone needs to be asking howeve,r in the end, is why does Luthor do this?

He says its becuase he wants "his cut." But is that really the case? In S:TM, Superman is a side-issue to LUthor, a mere obstalce to a larger goal. In SR, this is far from the case. Far from it. Luthor, from the get go, is OUT TO GET SUPERMAN. He goes to HIS FORTRESS. Steals HIS TECHNOLOGY. Gets KRYPTONITE! Poisions this new land mass to prevent him from being anywhere near it. It's that its so understated, so subtle that he's doing this, that most everyone misses it. It's not being thrown in your face. However, Luthor's first and foremsot goal was to make a world where Superman would not be able to reach him. He didn't want to make his own FOrtress, where he'd be confined from the world in fear of Superman, he wanted to make his own continent, an entire free-roaming wolrd where Superman would be powerless. His plan is maniacal and insane -- but LUthor isn't exactly sane in the first place. We don't go around critiquing Joker for his lack of sanity in scheming -- sometimes, the lack of sanity is the point. Yet, alas, whiny fanboys...

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Oh hell no, he called my boy Guard into it. Be prepared for a few slobber knocking, 10 page long replies from the Guard. Let me first to say it, bosef... prepare to be OWNED.

 

[Steelsheen]

good post Bosef


edit: whoah 4k post

 

[bosef982]

Oh hell no, he called my boy Guard into it. Be prepared for a few slobber knocking, 10 page long replies from the Guard. Let me first to say it, bosef... prepare to be OWNED.

Guard and I know each other personally. We don't "OWN" each other.