Transformers Did Starscream Shoot...

[LostSon88]

what writer?

Ocri...when asked straight up if Starscream shot at Megatron, he said it was an "interesting rumor"

He didn't say yes, but he didn't say no either.

 

[M.O.Steel]

basically no one is admitting or denying it. Starscream was watching Megs from another building during the "live to be my pet" scene.

 

[SuperJediHero]

The comics medium is a storytelling medium, too, and more than enough writers and artists in the comics medium don't spell out or show everything. They often have vague sequences, or random background "noise" that doesn't seem important but in which something is happening, or they do things entirely off-panel, meaning we don't get to see it happen at all, but it still happened. I could provide examples, but I'd hope I really don't have to.
It's the same with television. Television is a storytelling medium, too, and the same things apply.
Heck, the same can even be said with prose. Something early in a novel is vague or unnoticed because it's so inconsequential or "hard to see," and yet it's something nonetheless.
But we can discount prose altogether, since comics and television are closest to "movies." And technically, movies wouldn't be so much a medium as a genre, like television, of a "visual-based" medium, or some such. But who's counting?
There are dozens upon dozens of movies out there that don't show or spell everything out, just like there are dozens of television shows and dozens of comic issues that don't. There's nothing in the definition for either mediums that everything must be shown, else it didn't happen. If it's referenced, there might be an argument because what happened will be subjective, but it can still have happened. Equally, it could not have happened, but the defining matter is not "They didn't show it, it didn't happen, KTHX."
The defining matter will be when/if it's referenced in something ahead.


I'm pretty sure that how it happens is Starscream flies off-screen, behind a building, one of the pilots goes "Where'd he go?" and then Starscream flies back in, in F22 mode, and into formation with the remaining -three- jets. And then four jets hit Megatron.
7-4=3. +SS=4. 4=boomboomMegatron.

Two examples (Star Wars movies), Both the first one of the Trilogy, didn't Tell you exactly what happened...

A New Hope - Darth Vader is Luke's Father.

The Phantom Menace - Palpatine is Clearly Darth Sidious, other than the fact he was the Emperor in the OT (Although the camera did pan to him)

Although you can Argue that, the Same thing, Starscream Blend in with the other Jets and the NEXT scene you see is them Shooting on Megatron... Now, WHY would they show that other than telling you a Clue? Maybe it's Less obvious than the Palpatine referenece, but still the Point Stands - They DON'T have to tell you everything!

Directors, Writers Often Never tells audiences everything, there are Sequels to this movie, so they are plot Surprises they want to put in Transfomers 2, so A LOT people might be surprised SS shot Megatron!

 

[FCEEVIPER]

the fact that the writer on the boards said "very interesting rumor" seals it for me...

That can go either way. imo

 

[FCEEVIPER]

They DON'T have to tell you everything!

Why are you yelling?

Use your in-door voice. t:

 

[Golgo-13]

I saw the movie again today, and paid SPECIAL attention to this scene. It's one of those things where some will see the glass as half full, and others will see the same glass as half empty. SS does join the F-22's but i'm sure there was ANOTHER F-22 slightly off screen that would make up '5' total. Once they start plumelling Megatron's ass SS could have easilty got away. I'm not 100% sure about the 5th plane..i'll tell you when i see the movie for the 4th time!

 

[Boiiinng]

I'm pretty sure that how it happens is Starscream flies off-screen, behind a building, one of the pilots goes "Where'd he go?" and then Starscream flies back in, in F22 mode, and into formation with the remaining -three- jets. And then four jets hit Megatron.
7-4=3. +SS=4. 4=boomboomMegatron.

What the? You do know that each jet can fire more than one missile right?

In fact, I've gone over that scene a bunch to try and understand where people get this idea in the first place. If you really wanted to break down the action, SS transforms back into a jet just before the missiles start hitting Megs. He is the second one back, and then from the street view missiles fly from behind the second jet, underneath it and hit Megs, so it was at least the third jet back that fired the first missiles to Megs anyway. But the rest of the hits are inconclusive. Plus, they hit Starscream mid-air with a missile and the explosion is the same color and size of the ones that hit Megatron.

 

[SuperJediHero]

Let's just ACCEPT it's POSSIBLE!

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Yes, it must be showed or we have ridiculous discussions like this. Movies are a storytelling medium, not a painting. It either happened in the movie or it didn't. It wasn't shown, so it didn't happen. There were no clues to solve, no thinking to be needed. Get over it.

In the old Amazing Spider-Man books are famous for one particular story where a shadowed figure watches Spider-Man from afar as Green Goblin dies. It's not until much much later until we find out it is Harry Osbourne. Or if you want a more recent example. Beast Wars. Beast Wars landed viewers on a planet with two moons which we were told wasn't Earth from the beginning. But oddly enough one Moon mirrored ours almost completely. Fans debated, argued and many vehemently hated the series because they claimed it was not connected to Transformers in any way. Low and behold the second season would prove interesting as the second moon dissolved and revealed itself to be an alien platform, and in fact we were on a past earth all along. But it wasn't something that was expressly stated for many many episodes. In addition, the Vok, who seemed buy a subplot turned out to be the masterminds behind the whole season prior.

 

[Boiiinng]

In the old Amazing Spider-Man books are famous for one particular story where a shadowed figure watches Spider-Man from afar as Green Goblin dies. It's not until much much later until we find out it is Harry Osbourne. Or if you want a more recent example. Beast Wars. Beast Wars landed viewers on a planet with two moons which we were told wasn't Earth from the beginning. But oddly enough one Moon mirrored ours almost completely. Fans debated, argued and many vehemently hated the series because they claimed it was not connected to Transformers in any way. Low and behold the second season would prove interesting as the second moon dissolved and revealed itself to be an alien platform, and in fact we were on a past earth all along. But it wasn't something that was expressly stated for many many episodes. In addition, the Vok, who seemed buy a subplot turned out to be the masterminds behind the whole season prior.

Thanks for the support, SB, although I doubt you were trying to agree with me.

For the Spiderman reference, if there is a shadowy figure shown, regardless if we know who it is or not, we still see it, yes?

For Beast Wars, if there are two moons shown, regardless of what one of them actually is, we still see them, yes?

The Transformers scene in question does not actually show a missile launched from SS himself, therefore it cannot be proven that he did it. Now, it can't be proven that he didn't shoot a missile, either, but to assume so based on what is presented in the movie is simply wishful thinking.

 

[El Bastardo]

What the? You do know that each jet can fire more than one missile right?

Uh... what the yourself? If that makes sense to you... well, actually, considering your reply to SB, it's not that surprising that the above stuff makes sense to you.

For the record, and in case this might make sense to you (since I don't think anyone else is confused about what I wrote), I didn't say there were four missiles. Or seven missiles. Or anything about missiles. None of those numbers corresponded to missiles, so my sincerest sincerest apologies if any of those numbers... uh... confused you. Those numbers corresponded to my recollection (and the recollection of others) of jets. Not missiles.

Since I said nothing of numbers of missiles, uh... well, again, if what you wrote and apparently took from my other post made sense to you, well, that's great, chief.

As for what you replied to SB... I think I actually need to sleep before I address and attempt to respond to that amount of anti-logic, else my brain might explode.

 

[icekid]

What the? You do know that each jet can fire more than one missile right?

In fact, I've gone over that scene a bunch to try and understand where people get this idea in the first place. If you really wanted to break down the action, SS transforms back into a jet just before the missiles start hitting Megs. He is the second one back, and then from the street view missiles fly from behind the second jet, underneath it and hit Megs, so it was at least the third jet back that fired the first missiles to Megs anyway. But the rest of the hits are inconclusive. Plus, they hit Starscream mid-air with a missile and the explosion is the same color and size of the ones that hit Megatron.

Well obviously but look at the movie,not the case as you clearly see the jets firing the missles, and where in the movie have they shot two missiles at one time...anywhere?We know its possible,but,did we see it? Its save to assume that SS shot aswell,with that given

In that case you mentioned, you don't see ANY of the jets fire the missles in the first place ,only that they came from their directions, Since you bring your point up about not seeing SS shoot,did we see any shoot?So that's not of signifigance here

Wow,same color....uhm.....and explosion is an explosion, fire is fire

 

[bes628]

man i remember sitting there and watching that part...and was like damn..starscream just shoot megatron....thats the SS i know

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Let's just ACCEPT it's POSSIBLE!

Your yelling again. t:

 

[Figs]

I just saw the movie again last night. I was paying strict attention to that scene with the jets. Sorry, it is physically impossible to tell if he fired with them or not. It was a mess of rockets hitting Megatron and it did not, repeat, did not show which rockets were from which of the jets. As badass as it would have been if he did fire at Megatron, you can't tell.

Not to mention, I think if they wanted him to fire at Megatron the makers would have made it really obvious so people could actually tell.

 

[Boiiinng]

Not to mention, I think if they wanted him to fire at Megatron the makers would have made it really obvious so people could actually tell.

EXACTLY.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

I just saw the movie again last night. I was paying strict attention to that scene with the jets. Sorry, it is physically impossible to tell if he fired with them or not. It was a mess of rockets hitting Megatron and it did not, repeat, did not show which rockets were from which of the jets. As badass as it would have been if he did fire at Megatron, you can't tell.

Not to mention, I think if they wanted him to fire at Megatron the makers would have made it really obvious so people could actually tell.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[icekid]

EXACTLY.

Anything is possible,i mean c'mon,its bay,He didn't even make it that obvious that jazz had died in the first place until ironhide said it.

 

[Figs]

Anything is possible,i mean c'mon,its bay,He didn't even make it that obvious that jazz had died in the first place until ironhide said it.

What do you mean, didn't make it obvious!?? It clearly showed Megatron tear his ass in two.

 

[icekid]

What do you mean, didn't make it obvious!?? It clearly showed Megatron tear his ass in two.

It was a quick glimpse,it really didn't stand out and say "hey he killed jazz!!!!"

 

[Avangarde]

Its fun to speculate though

 

[tekken]

i couldnt tell jazz died. i mean i thought frenzy was dead for sure after mikaela cut his head off! but he came back. i would have really liked jazz to say "i'm still like turkeys!" at the end of the credits as a joke or something. lol.

 

[tekken]

but about the starscream thing...i dont care what anyone says. in my interpretation, that was starscream shooting at megatron. in the next movie, he'll tell all his decepticon friends that megs is dead, and lead. then in movie 3, megs with come back as galvatron and kill starscream or do something really damaging to him.

 

[SuperJediHero]

I just Can't believe how are people so Shallow to think a movie must TELL you what happens in order to be True?

There are Plenty of movies that don't tell you what exactly happens until the sequel or DVD commentary....PLENTY!

Personally, When moviemakers Tell you everything without leaving any sort of speculation for Sequels, it's a Great Insult to me!

Do people watch other movies other than this Transformers movie to NOT realize that, huh?

I am NOT even saying Starscream HAS to shot Megatron, but it's POSSIBLE so DON'T say crap like "I didn't see that, so that must not happened!"

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Thanks for the support, SB, although I doubt you were trying to agree with me.

For the Spiderman reference, if there is a shadowy figure shown, regardless if we know who it is or not, we still see it, yes?

For Beast Wars, if there are two moons shown, regardless of what one of them actually is, we still see them, yes?

The Transformers scene in question does not actually show a missile launched from SS himself, therefore it cannot be proven that he did it. Now, it can't be proven that he didn't shoot a missile, either, but to assume so based on what is presented in the movie is simply wishful thinking.

Just like Transformers Beast Wars doesn't not show them as being on Earth, in fact expressly states the opposite. The fact is in both cases the writers left opennings for stories not expressly stated in the beginning. You do realize the BW writers didn't plan from the beginning to make it Earth? right?