The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Did too many trailers ruin the movie?

[A Necessary Evil]

Did trailers ruin the movie?

Nah, the script did lol.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Jesus Christ The Green Goblin is certainly to return in future movies and have a bigger role it's not like they killed him off and i had no problem with Electro being the main villian cause I want to see different villians every Spider-Man movie

How about instead of developing characters for future films, you develop them in this film.

Electro was ****ing terrible as Max. Max became a Justin Bieber obsessed fan girl but instead about Bieber, he was about Spidey. The minute Spidey forgets him he turns all evil. ****ing stupid development.

"You forget my name so I will destroy this city!!!"

Kid Goblin is by far one of the worst villains I've ever seen in a film. Not only is the Goblin not Norman, not only Harry is the one who kills Gwen and not Norman, not only does Harry's disease is written to how the writers want it because with Norman he lived till he was 60 and Harry is dying at 18, not only is the glider and suit the same idea from the Raimi films, but when we finally see Goblin and Spidey fight its about a 1 minute struggle followed by a KO and Goblin is only there to keep fanboys happy that a Goblin kills Gwen.

There are better examples of developing characters who will be villains in future films:
Harvey Dent in Batman 89
Zod in Superman 1
Dr Conners in Raimi's Spider-Man films
Harry in the end of Spider-Man 2

So on and so forth. The Green Goblin is Spider-Man's arch enemy. He is to Spidey what Joker is to Batman and Lex is to Superman. Would you do to Joker or Lex what you did to the Goblin? **** no.

Also Rhino at the end should have been cut. The film should have ended with Petef looking at Gwen's grave and not seeing Spidey suit up in the film after her death. Hell after Harry's death in Spidey 3, we didn't see Peter suit up as Spidey.

The villains were poorly developed and sucked.

 

[C. Lee]

I don't like being spoiled before seeing a movie. It doesn't always work too well what with my being on staff here, but sometimes it does. I didn't go out of my way to watch any trailers. If one came on while watching TV, I usually ignored it. I still only rated the movie as average. It had nothing what so ever do with what I saw before I saw the whole movie...it was all because of how I felt after seeing the whole movie.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

I'm just gonna watch the first one and maybe the final one ... i simply watched everything that Sony released for TASM2 lol

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Definitely didn't help the movie. Sony absolutely sucks at marketing.

 

[venom892]

The marketing reeked of desperation. When the first trailer hit in December, I was really excited. I think by the time March hit we had four. I think their biggest folly was not focusing on Electro and making it seem like Goblin and Rhino had substantial parts when that was not the case.

 

[spiderman2]

It kind of ruined the movie. I love the movie by far the second best spider man movie yet and 4th favorite CBM ever .But going into the movie I was like 98% sure that gwen was going to die because of the trailers has the only way it could have been more aviose would be if the trailer saids she died lol and if goblin handt been show that would have been a surprise to. So 2 things that could have been a surprise where not and even though I love the movie nothing in it surprised me at all.

 

[TH29]

I think anyone who enjoyed the movie, would have enjoyed it much more had they not shown goblin, rhino, and hinted at Gwens death. Ridiculous marketing. A movie like Spider-Man doesnt need a ridiculous amount of footage shown, the general public doesnt really watch clips. It was a horrific campaign and while I enjoyed the movie, it backfired to not really give us any surpises as far as action set pieces go. THAT was the biggest bummer. and to put the FINAL scene in the movie in the trailer?! inexcusable.

 

[spiderman2]

Yeah like 70% of the action was in the trailers to lol

 

[Spidey-Lad93]

How about instead of developing characters for future films, you develop them in this film.

Electro was ****ing terrible as Max. Max became a Justin Bieber obsessed fan girl but instead about Bieber, he was about Spidey. The minute Spidey forgets him he turns all evil. ****ing stupid development.

"You forget my name so I will destroy this city!!!"

Kid Goblin is by far one of the worst villains I've ever seen in a film. Not only is the Goblin not Norman, not only Harry is the one who kills Gwen and not Norman, not only does Harry's disease is written to how the writers want it because with Norman he lived till he was 60 and Harry is dying at 18, not only is the glider and suit the same idea from the Raimi films, but when we finally see Goblin and Spidey fight its about a 1 minute struggle followed by a KO and Goblin is only there to keep fanboys happy that a Goblin kills Gwen.

There are better examples of developing characters who will be villains in future films:
Harvey Dent in Batman 89
Zod in Superman 1
Dr Conners in Raimi's Spider-Man films
Harry in the end of Spider-Man 2

So on and so forth. The Green Goblin is Spider-Man's arch enemy. He is to Spidey what Joker is to Batman and Lex is to Superman. Would you do to Joker or Lex what you did to the Goblin? **** no.

Also Rhino at the end should have been cut. The film should have ended with Petef looking at Gwen's grave and not seeing Spidey suit up in the film after her death. Hell after Harry's death in Spidey 3, we didn't see Peter suit up as Spidey.

The villains were poorly developed and sucked.

Just wait and see The Green Goblin will certainty have a bigger role in future movies

 

[Oscorp]

How about instead of developing characters for future films, you develop them in this film.

Electro was ****ing terrible as Max. Max became a Justin Bieber obsessed fan girl but instead about Bieber, he was about Spidey. The minute Spidey forgets him he turns all evil. ****ing stupid development.

"You forget my name so I will destroy this city!!!"

Kid Goblin is by far one of the worst villains I've ever seen in a film. Not only is the Goblin not Norman, not only Harry is the one who kills Gwen and not Norman, not only does Harry's disease is written to how the writers want it because with Norman he lived till he was 60 and Harry is dying at 18, not only is the glider and suit the same idea from the Raimi films, but when we finally see Goblin and Spidey fight its about a 1 minute struggle followed by a KO and Goblin is only there to keep fanboys happy that a Goblin kills Gwen.

There are better examples of developing characters who will be villains in future films:
Harvey Dent in Batman 89
Zod in Superman 1
Dr Conners in Raimi's Spider-Man films
Harry in the end of Spider-Man 2

So on and so forth. The Green Goblin is Spider-Man's arch enemy. He is to Spidey what Joker is to Batman and Lex is to Superman. Would you do to Joker or Lex what you did to the Goblin? **** no.

Also Rhino at the end should have been cut. The film should have ended with Petef looking at Gwen's grave and not seeing Spidey suit up in the film after her death. Hell after Harry's death in Spidey 3, we didn't see Peter suit up as Spidey.

The villains were poorly developed and sucked.

I think the core idea of Max expecting more of Spider-Man, turning into a major disappointment which leads to anger is pretty good. However, it's been done before, most recently in Iron Man 3.

I'd have preferred something more like what Raimi originally intended to do with Sandman and Vulture in his initial ideas; namely having someone being a manipulator (Vulture) of someone with great powers (Sandman). Electro obviously being the manipulated one. Not much backstory is needed at all besides how he got his powers. His inferiority complex should be shown in his actions (following someone else's orders besides being so powerful, being easily manipulated), and letting the audience themselves imagine the backstory to why.

The manipulator should've been Norman Osborn, ending with him going all "I guess I'll have to do this myself!" and killing Gwen.

However, it wasn't simply "You forgot my name!", I feel you're oversimplifying it for the sake of it. It was more about Spider-Man stealing the spotlight and Electro feeling that Spider-Man set him up in a trap (which he even says), than it was about simply forgetting his name.

Green Goblin's glider and suit, in what way did it copy Raimi? In being tech based? That's not really copying Raimi. In fact I don't see much similarities at all except for the bombs. Other than that I agree about the rest you said about him.

I don't remember much of Superman 1, so I won't comment about that. But other than that, I think the only character of those you listed who was well developed to become a villain in a sequel was Harry in SM2. Harvey Dent in '89, really? Sure, he was there as a character, but was he even in the sequel? He was Two-Face in Batman Forever but there was really no building up to it.

Dr. Connors was mainly a disappointed teacher to Peter who appear in a pair of scenes until SM3, in which the film made clear that he was a "Physician, not a biologist". I don't think he was "ready" to become a villain in SM4 more than any others.

There was nothing in SM3 that pointed to Peter quitting as Spider-Man. We didn't see him put on the suit because we didn't see him need to.

 

[JOE]

The list of things that ruined the movie is long enough without including this point. I'd say this was more about spoiling than ruining. I regret seeing a lot of the money shots, swinging sequences beforehand.

 

[Donut]

The movie being bad for most ruined this movie. Two weeks is a long time for bad word of mouth before it released everywhere else. There was plenty of time for word to spread & people just ignored it when it did finally come out

 

[Visualiza]

Just wait and see The Green Goblin will certainty have a bigger role in future movies

Yeah, that's what was said after TASM released. Hell, that was being said before the first one released.

 

[ironman29758]

I think the core idea of Max expecting more of Spider-Man, turning into a major disappointment which leads to anger is pretty good. However, it's been done before, most recently in Iron Man 3.

I'd have preferred something more like what Raimi originally intended to do with Sandman and Vulture in his initial ideas; namely having someone being a manipulator (Vulture) of someone with great powers (Sandman). Electro obviously being the manipulated one. Not much backstory is needed at all besides how he got his powers. His inferiority complex should be shown in his actions (following someone Else's orders besides being so powerful, being easily manipulated), and letting the audience themselves imagine the backstory to why.

The manipulator should've been Norman Osborn, ending with him going all "I guess I'll have to do this myself!" and killing Gwen.

However, it wasn't simply "You forgot my name!", I feel you're oversimplifying it for the sake of it. It was more about Spider-Man stealing the spotlight and Electro feeling that Spider-Man set him up in a trap (which he even says), than it was about simply forgetting his name.

Green Goblin's glider and suit, in what way did it copy Raimi? In being tech based? That's not really copying Raimi. In fact I don't see much similarities at all except for the bombs. Other than that I agree about the rest you said about him.

I don't remember much of Superman 1, so I won't comment about that. But other than that, I think the only character of those you listed who was well developed to become a villain in a sequel was Harry in SM2. Harvey Dent in '89, really? Sure, he was there as a character, but was he even in the sequel? He was Two-Face in Batman Forever but there was really no building up to it.

Dr. Connors was mainly a disappointed teacher to Peter who appear in a pair of scenes until SM3, in which the film made clear that he was a "Physician, not a biologist". I don't think he was "ready" to become a villain in SM4 more than any others.

There was nothing in SM3 that pointed to Peter quitting as Spider-Man. We didn't see him put on the suit because we didn't see him need to.

Yeah I don't remember anything that even hints that he quits being Spider-Man after Harry's dying. He just wants to restart his relationship with MJ. As for this movie. I'm glad that Rhino ending. I would have been sad if it ended with Peter mourning at Gwen's grave. It doesn't say how he would move on in his casual life. But it does show how he uses Spider-Man as a coping mechanism to help him deal with death, and still try to help people despite tragedy. and Aunt May and Gwen's valedictorian speech to help(I just wish we saw some pictures of Peter as a kid with Aunt May and Uncle Ben or Peter with Uncle Ben and Aunt May in some function).

Harry in SM2 and Zod are the only two who really developed in previous movies before they appear as a main villains in a future movie. Harvey Dent in '89, was just a politician, who wanted to make everything go smoothly. There's no substantial development. It just hinted at Harvey being Two Face for some time in Batman Forever. I don't even think Bruce had any interaction with Harvey in the first movie. Dr.Connors in the Raimi to me could have been any other character in the comics(Miles or Aaron Warren, the tinkerer, etc) and it would have just been a comics nod to me because Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2 served the Doctor Connors mentor role/sympathetic character more(same for Felicia and Alistair Smythe in this movie or William Stryker in the X-men Movies or any of the important military scientists). In fact they didn't even mention Peter used to being Doctor Connors lab assistant in Spider-Man 1. His development in those two Spider-Man movies are not that. Except for some Lizard skeleton in the background there aren't that much to say he turns into a villain, or even that Sam was planning on making him a villain based on what I heard about Spider-Man 4.

I got to agree that some of the things you said in this post.

But we should have him see more of Electro's insecurities and inferiority complex(maybe have Donald Menken and Alistair Smythe been just one character who don't even remember Max until he hears about the accident and think about firing him before hand and Electro imagine Max Dillon or his mom, boss or dad in the crowd calling him a freak and pathetic in the times square scene and imagine Spider-Man calling him worthless and pathetic instead of trying to help him out, or watching news and press of Electro and seeing his reactions to that). With Electro I would have had a moment where before he overloads or moments of we had scenes like in Amazing Spider-Man#614 where the news caster talk about the damage Electro said and when they say we'll give you his name after the break Electro busts in and yells "You'll give them my name now!" and tell the audience his demands and yell his name(but not his plans) and tells Spider-Man to chase him where he leads Spidey to the power plant

or moments similar to this in the film:


From Amazing Spider-Man#422 by Tom DeFalco drawn by Joe Bennett.

from Amazing Spider-Man #425, written by Tom DeFalco and drawn by Bud LaRosa

or something like this from Amazing Spider-Man #425, written by Mark Waid and drawn by Paul Azaceta

(Only Electro in the movie, I could have been the hero/this was my time to shine! or something to that extent.) With him just unconscious with Spidey apologizing that he couldn't have done more or how being a cross species experiment screwed up to many lives. I also feel like they should have done more with pre transformation Max and have Max /Electro when Harry freed him in Ravencroft or at Oscorp that he isn't the weak human Max anymore to be pushed around by anyone and he has his own plans even threaten Harry when he's free and more explanation on how he got the suit and how Spider-Man kept him solid long enough to take him down(maybe like how Mark Waid explained it in Amazing Spider-Man#614).

Ultimately, while the script didn't help and the movie as a whole was pretty good/decent, the multiple trailers/featurettes/clips hurt the movie more than anything. They shouldn't have hyped up Green Goblin(At most maybe the eye shot and Felicia looking at the Goblin) and Rhino(no shots of Rhino in the armor period, just Aleksei shooting at Spidey and when Spidey webbed up Aleksei before the gun hits his head and maybe Spidey greet himself to Aleksei in the truck) and should have kept some of the scenes secret just spoil some parts like Electro action shots without spoiling so much, such as his origin or backstory and talk about the Oscorp conspiracy and ended the Richard's Parents storyline in the first movie with Peter learning everything he learned in this movie then and just dealing with the ramification(Norman manipulating events, how and why the Cross species were created, trying to clear his parent's name as it's just his word against Oscorp) as well as the Gwen/Peter romance.

I would have also thought Norman should have been the Goblin and killed Gwen instead or Norman talking to Donald Menken, Alistair Smythe and Gustav Fiers in a post credit scene watching events from afar and how he was manipulating events and how they should stayed tune to what happens next because it only gets more fun from here revealing he is looking more green and goblin like.

 

[FreeLarryHoover]

I'm being serious if you take clips from the trailers and Tv Spots and put them together you would have a 5 minute mini version of the movie we even seen the final shot of the film in the trailers

Haha, I wouldn't doubt you could stretch it to 10 minutes with the amount of trailers alone. You can also construct basically the same story-line using audio clips from probably any other movie. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRDj3M4d_EE [YT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRDj3M4d_EE[/YT]

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Just wait and see The Green Goblin will certainty have a bigger role in future movies

He probably will, but that's not going to change the way this movie was approached.

I try not to watch many trailers for movies. These trailers didn't ruin the movie for me. It was a poor script.

 

[ajc5349]

I'll start off by saying I liked the movie.

Now, I don't know if it was too much trailers. But I think if they hadn't tipped their hand with Harry being the Goblin and there being a Rhino scene in the movie, it would have been a big surprise factor and really been a huge point of emphasis.

Imagine going into the theaters thinking Electro is the focal point of the movie while knowing that Harry Osborn was playing a role too, but you had no idea Harry would turn into the Goblin and you had no idea that the movie would end with the Rhino scene. I think they showed too much. If they would've done what I just said, I think more people would've been pleasantly surprised.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

The response to this movie is fascinating. I REALLY don't think this movie was bad. I have said it before and will say it again. The "killer" for this installment of movies is this type of storytelling. Specifically because it follows an already successful Spiderman series. Had this been the first series of Spiderman movies, certain things could (and I believe) would have been different. This series just could not pull off doing the exact same things over again. Even though this one is "way" more faithful to comic book characterization and plot supposition. Ultimately the trailers tried to carry a movie (and series) that will always be a step-child to its predecessor... when you are doing that, you've already lost.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

The manipulator should've been Norman Osborn, ending with him going all "I guess I'll have to do this myself!" and killing Gwen.

it would be so great if we got that, also with Norman then making his escape, Spidey furiously trying to catch him but he get's hit by an explosion or something and GG gets away, setting him up as the true arch nemesis of Spider-man who just killed Spidey's girlfriend and isn't even done yet

next movie could've been Green Goblin and Doc Ock. Or Green Goblin and Kingpin, what ever, a big intricate story with some A level villains

 

[Dominikkus]

There are never too many trailers (sorta) for a movie. It all just depends on the shots that the director and editors decide to reveal in those trailers. I did feel like most of the money shots were revealed to us in the trailers, but I don't feel like the movie was ruined because of those trailers. I still very much loved the film and everything it had to offer the audience.

 

[Oscorp]

it would be so great if we got that, also with Norman then making his escape, Spidey furiously trying to catch him but he get's hit by an explosion or something and GG gets away, setting him up as the true arch nemesis of Spider-man who just killed Spidey's girlfriend and isn't even done yet

next movie could've been Green Goblin and Doc Ock. Or Green Goblin and Kingpin, what ever, a big intricate story with some A level villains

I don't know, I feel like I'm not excited at all to see this version of Green Goblin. I'd prefer if, say Doc Ock schemes and succeeds in taking over the leadership of the Sinister 6 from Harry.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

I don't know, I feel like I'm not excited at all to see this version of Green Goblin. I'd prefer if, say Doc Ock schemes and succeeds in taking over the leadership of the Sinister 6 from Harry.

I liked the Green Goblin in TASM2, though I never liked the idea of either Harry or Norman Green Goblin leading or even just being a member of Sinister Six. So I'd prefer Doc Ock taking over

I'd still be awesome to see Doc Ock taking on Norman Goblin

 

[LaughingMage]

People seem to think having multiple villians means a movie wont be any good The Dark Knight had 3 Villains
Scarecrow(for about 3 minutes)
The Joker
Two Face
And many consider it one of the greatest superhero movies if you have a great script backing you you can have multiple villians

True but the choices Sony made were not great... You can't just throw in multiple villains nilly willy. They need some kind of thematic similarity to work. For example the Lizard and Kraven would go well together in one movie. Electro, Rhino and GG not so much.

 

[spiderral]

I'll start off by saying I liked the movie.

Now, I don't know if it was too much trailers. But I think if they hadn't tipped their hand with Harry being the Goblin and there being a Rhino scene in the movie, it would have been a big surprise factor and really been a huge point of emphasis.

Imagine going into the theaters thinking Electro is the focal point of the movie while knowing that Harry Osborn was playing a role too, but you had no idea Harry would turn into the Goblin and you had no idea that the movie would end with the Rhino scene. I think they showed too much. If they would've done what I just said, I think more people would've been pleasantly surprised.

That would have been the ideal situation but marketing ruined the surprise. :/ It may have been one of the reasons why some people went into watching TASM2 already with bad opinions. "What?! This Spidey film has 3 villains again?! This is gonna suck!"

There are never too many trailers (sorta) for a movie. It all just depends on the shots that the director and editors decide to reveal in those trailers. I did feel like most of the money shots were revealed to us in the trailers, but I don't feel like the movie was ruined because of those trailers. I still very much loved the film and everything it had to offer the audience.

Marc Webb said that he wanted to keep GG a secret as much as possible. He said something along the lines of Sony/marketing choosing the shots that they liked and using them for the trailers.

True but the choices Sony made were not great... You can't just throw in multiple villains nilly willy. They need some kind of thematic similarity to work. For example the Lizard and Kraven would go well together in one movie. Electro, Rhino and GG not so much.

Rhino was like Scarecrow in TDK, only having a very small moment in the film and not playing a huge part to the plot. Electro and GG (not Harry) weren't even on screen together. Harry and Electro worked with each other towards the end of the film after Harry had helped him escape and needed him to get into OsCorp. The two characters are linked together in that way. I understand what you mean by having these "thematic" choices of villains but that doesn't always have to be the case.