Days of Future Past "Director's Cut": The Official Matthew Vaughn Thread

[BoredGuy]

I think Vaughn's explanation is still kinda ********, tho.

Nobody is wrong for pointing to the true origins of the X-men
Yes, there are many dangling plot threads and retcons and time travel and all sorts of continuity issues. But that's not the point.
They're origin, when it comes right down to it, is pretty simple.

If he feels his choices work best for the story he wants to tell, or fits better within the pre-established world from x1-2, then he could just say so.
Perfectly good explanation.

Instead, he chose to be really insulting, while at the same time not sounding like he really knows the comics all that well.

 

[Doctor Jones]

But come on, we always discuss different interpretations and eras as comic book fans and we seem to be fine with it. But when a movie does it, it's sacrilegious.

 

[BoredGuy]

oh agreed, but I was just commenting on him being a *****e.

he's equivalent to any of the non-puritanical fanboys round here who shout down those who prefer a closer adaption

 

[Doctor Jones]

I don't think he's being a *****e. He's being blunt and honest and I give him credit for that.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Hokay, quick question. I haven't really been following this film...but I thought that Singer had agreed to return to direct this film? Or was I just smoking too much crack?

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Hokay, quick question. I haven't really been following this film...but I thought that Singer had agreed to return to direct this film? Or was I just smoking too much crack?

I think Bryan Singer's a big tease. He said he was directing for like a month and then its "no, I'm doing some film called Jack and the Beanstalk instead".

 

[Infinity9999x]

Ah, well whatever. I hope Vaughn does well. I don't know, I'm really split on these movies. On one hand, I hope it's good, because I love the X-men and I want to see a good X-men movie. On the other hand, I'm just done with the Fox X-men movies. Even Singer's had issues that I was frustrated with. I'd just really like to see Marvel get the rights back, but that probably won't happen for a while. Hopefully Disney's magic lawyers will find a way.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Ah, well whatever. I hope Vaughn does well. I don't know, I'm really split on these movies. On one hand, I hope it's good, because I love the X-men and I want to see a good X-men movie. On the other hand, I'm just done with the Fox X-men movies. Even Singer's had issues that I was frustrated with. I'd just really like to see Marvel get the rights back, but that probably won't happen for a while. Hopefully Disney's magic lawyers will find a way.

So I take it you haven't heard that Darren Aronofsky is directing The Wolverine?

 

[Infinity9999x]

So I take it you haven't heard that Darren Aronofsky is directing The Wolverine?

I have, but I still can't really get excited, because The Wolverine is still connected to what will eventually be X-men 3, also known as the story where Wolverine turns into Cyclops

However, I do have a glimmer of hope for that, since they're adapting my favorite Wolverine storyline, and in my opinion, one of the best Wolverine stories ever.

The problem is, the crux of the Shingen/Mariko/Japan storyline is Wolverine's struggle with his inner animal. And I'm hoping they don't shy away from that. Because Origins was supposed to be about that, and they did a good deal of talking about his "inner animal" but the only inner animal I saw in Wolverine in that movie was a teddy bear.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Hokay, quick question. I haven't really been following this film...but I thought that Singer had agreed to return to direct this film? Or was I just smoking too much crack?

He was supposed to.

The original plan was he was hired to direct it after he was done with his next film (Jack the Giant Killer). This film is based on a detailed treatment Singer wrote, which he pitched to Fox.

Once the screenplay was put together, the studio decided to fasttrack it but because Singer was contractually obligated to deliver Giant Killer for WB/New Line, he couldn't direct First Class. Instead Singer took over as a producer and Matthew Vaughn was brought in to direct.

I'd just really like to see Marvel get the rights back, but that probably won't happen for a while. Hopefully Disney's magic lawyers will find a way.

The chances of this happening are slim-to-none.

 

[S. Grundy]

I think Bryan Singer's a big tease. He said he was directing for like a month and then its "no, I'm doing some film called Jack and the Beanstalk instead".

I wouldn't say tease, that was a legit contract issue. He apparently couldn't get out of the contract for Jack the Giant Killer.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I have, but I still can't really get excited, because The Wolverine is still connected to what will eventually be X-men 3, also known as the story where Wolverine turns into Cyclops

However, I do have a glimmer of hope for that, since they're adapting my favorite Wolverine storyline, and in my opinion, one of the best Wolverine stories ever.

The problem is, the crux of the Shingen/Mariko/Japan storyline is Wolverine's struggle with his inner animal. And I'm hoping they don't shy away from that. Because Origins was supposed to be about that, and they did a good deal of talking about his "inner animal" but the only inner animal I saw in Wolverine in that movie was a teddy bear.

Well all I can say is this, I'm a big abstract guy, Kubrick, Fellini, Herzog, and I worship Terrence Malick. I've been following Darren for a long time now, since I saw Pi at a friend's house years ago. When I heard he was gonna do this film I did what every sane person would do: I refused to believe it. Then I read about him talking about actually doing it and it made my year (2010 was pretty terrible for me).

I hated Origins. Mostly because it had so much potential and I just couldn't believe they would tarnish the character like that. On the other hand I though Schreiber was pretty damn great despite the mediocre surroundings. So hearing that Darren would direct a follow up to that mediocrity was nuts until I heard it wouldn't be a follow up but more of a one-shot.

Its Logan on his own, no sidekick mutants, no mutant villains, just Logan running around Tokyo trying to behave like a human being while wrestling with the beast inside and Darren is the one telling us the story

It really is a dream come true for any Wolverine fan, to have a director on the level of Chris Nolan (Darren's actually better) doing the Claremont Japan book. I think The Wolverine will transcend the comic book movie genre yet again, it'll take it further than Dark Knight. Darren Aronofsky probably agreed to do it just to do that.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

I can imagine Singer coming back to direct the sequel to this if it does really well.

 

[Gunga Diner]

I have a question for the users who have been following this production.

How sure are we that Tom Rothman of Fox won't mess up this movie like he did Last Stand and Wolverine Origins? Did Avatar give the studio enough money that he gives filmmakers creative freedom now?

The reason I've been so iffy about the movie is Tom Rothman. I think Vaughn is a clearly talented filmmaker, and getting to see his talents applied to an X-Men movie is exciting. But how sure are we that Rothman won't get in a dispute with him like he did with Singer? Didn't Rothman have Singer removed from the Fox premises when he announced that he'd be directing Superman?

 

[X-Maniac]

I have a question for the users who have been following this production.

How sure are we that Tom Rothman of Fox won't mess up this movie like he did Last Stand and Wolverine Origins? Did Avatar give the studio enough money that he gives filmmakers creative freedom now?

The reason I've been so iffy about the movie is Tom Rothman. I think Vaughn is a clearly talented filmmaker, and getting to see his talents applied to an X-Men movie is exciting. But how sure are we that Rothman won't get in a dispute with him like he did with Singer? Didn't Rothman have Singer removed from the Fox premises when he announced that he'd be directing Superman?

Well, since we are not mutants with psychic powers, there is no way of knowing.

Rothman had a dispute with Singer after he said he was leaving X3 to do Superman, not beforehand. I can imagine that would be cause for a studio chief to get a bit annoyed, even if they had (for whatever reason) not locked Singer into a contract for X3 at that point.

 

[J.Howlett]

X-Maniac,

But, Singer had every right to leave consider how long Rothman jerked him around when it came time to negotiate his contract for X3.

You don't wait over a year and half to sign Singer and the group after he delivers the box office and critically acclaim X2.

Again, no brainer deal of the century as far as I'm concerned. Singer should've been sealed for two more films after the second weekend grosses for X2 came in. He definitely should've been signed, sealed, and delivered after X2 made a killing on DVD.

Rothman=idiot that ruined the X-Men franchised in 2006.

 

[X-Maniac]

X-Maniac,

But, Singer had every right to leave consider how long Rothman jerked him around when it came time to negotiate his contract for X3.

You don't wait over a year and half to sign Singer and the group after he delivers the box office and critically acclaim X2.

Again, no brainer deal of the century as far as I'm concerned. Singer should've been sealed for two more films after the second weekend grosses for X2 came in. He definitely should've been signed, sealed, and delivered after X2 made a killing on DVD.

Rothman=idiot that ruined the X-Men franchised in 2006.

From what I understand, they weren't just sitting there 'waiting', there were long negotiations going on.

To you it seems like a no-brainer, but so does everything to the fans on the outside. There has to be a reason that Singer wasn't immediately signed. And just remember, JJ Abrams still hasn't signed for Star Trek 2 and Nolan wasn't signed for more Batman after TDK.

But let's not go back over X3 all over again. This isn't the right thread or the right forum.

 

[Gunga Diner]

I'm not just talking about what went down on X3, I'm talking about how Rothman runs the studio in general. There have been countless stories of directors who either almost quit the film business altogether or were ashamed of the final film because of their interactions with Fox. This seems like the kind of environment that Matthew Vaughn (and certainly Singer) would avoid like the plague, and yet here they are again.

I just want to know what to expect.

 

[c-saw]

new interview with some very interesting bits of info:

The movie is great, as you'll learn in more detail from our review next week, though Vaughn doesn't stick to the script or continuity established in Marvel's "X-Men: First Class" comics. Indeed, the director admits to never having read and not knowing anything about the series of miniseries, beyond the fact that they're not what his movie is. Vaughn is fine with that, and never once worried that a poor reception might stem from this lack of faithfulness to the comic's story.


"I didn't give a ****, to be honest," the director told us matter-of-factly. "I got pitched a story by Fox as being set in the Cold War with the backdrop of the Cuban Missile Crisis. [They said] I could go off and make my 'Bond meets X-Men' movie, and that's really all I cared about."

Vaughn admits to knowing "every frame" of the previous "X-Men" movies, and slyly states that he studied "X2" "far harder than 'X3' or 'Wolverine,'" but pleasing the comic book fans wasn't his first priority.
"It's my job to make a film as good as possible. I need to please a cinema audience, number one, and a comic book audience, number two," he said. "Hopefully I can do both, but you have to make a film that works."

 

[pyromaniac]

I'm not just talking about what went down on X3, I'm talking about how Rothman runs the studio in general. There have been countless stories of directors who either almost quit the film business altogether or were ashamed of the final film because of their interactions with Fox. This seems like the kind of environment that Matthew Vaughn (and certainly Singer) would avoid like the plague, and yet here they are again.

I just want to know what to expect.

That's an old post but I can tell you, coming across Vaughn's interview the other day, he said that Fox really let him having breathing space and that unlike what happened with X3, they were his 'true allies' on this one.

So that sounds fine to me.

 

[BoredGuy]

this movie may be good

but i still think this guys an a**hole

 

[c-saw]

this movie may be good

but i still think this guys an a**hole

because he speaks his mind and his more concerned with making a good movie than trying to please some comic book fanboys?

 

[c-saw]

why wasn't this posted yet?

 

[psyonic]

why wasn't this posted yet?

Because it's on the front page .. lol

 

[c-saw]

Because it's on the front page .. lol

meh, I come straight to the forum myself .. I imagine I'm not the only one