Discussion: Gay Rights XV

[spideyboy_1111]

How is that ignorant? Ignorant is going around spewing hate towards people for their lifestyle choices. And yes, homosexuality is a lifestyle in same way being straight is a lifestyle. Like I said, I tolerate homosexuality but that doesn't mean I agree with it. I stand by religious beliefs in the same way people who chose to live their life anyway they see fit. I don't push my beliefs on anyone or going around spewing hate or judging or condemning anyone. I don't see how that makes me ignorant.

Ignorant = Uneducated.

If you so much as think being gay is a "lifestyle" or a "choice" you are uneducated no matter what your "beliefs" might be... thus you are ignorant.

Being gay or straight is not a "lifestyle" Lifestyles are at the ut most root of the word "A style you live your life by" Gay/Straight/Bi is not a "style" it's not a choice, it's not a clique, it's not a "way you live" It's "WHAT you are". Many gay, straight, bi, etc... men and women live very different "lifestyles" then those who are also the same sexual orientation... some are Wealthy, some are Poor, some are Hipsters, some are preppy, some are carnivore's some are vegans, some are obsessed with horror movies, some obsessed with Disney...

these are lifestyles.... "being gay" is not a lifestyle.

 

[Doctor Evo]

Yes, I am a christian and no I don't agree with or support the homosexual lifestyle and never will.

I don't think people realize how ridiculous this statement actually is. It's often just a parroted sound-byte backed with little to no critical thought; thus it serves nicely as a little red-flag in these types of discussions.

What, exactly, is there to "agree with?"

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't think people realize how ridiculous this statement actually is. It's often just a parroted sound-byte backed with little to no critical thought; thus it serves nicely as a little red-flag in these types of discussions.

What, exactly, is there to "agree with?"

indeed...

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Not trying to be offensive here but I don't totally buy into the whole I was born gay thing. Because I encountered people in my life who were straight and later chose to be gay. For example, I know a female that dated dudes her whole life. Then maybe three years ago she got her heart broken and just started dating a girl and they are still together. I asked her was she always attracted to girls and she said no, her attraction to the same sex happened well into her 20's. My cousin who is gay also had a similar situation and he chose to purse a relationship with another man. Also seen people chose to be bisexual. So that why I kinda belief it's a lifestyle choice. Again, not trying to be offensive but that's just some observations that I experienced in my personal life. I know that doesn't apply to everyone btw.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

I don't think people realize how ridiculous this statement actually is. It's often just a parroted sound-byte backed with little to no critical thought; thus it serves nicely as a little red-flag in these types of discussions.

What, exactly, is there to "agree with?"

It's just saying I don't agree with same sex relationships. It's the same as people that don't agree with Christians and religion.

 

[Doctor Evo]

Not trying to be offensive here but I don't totally buy into the whole I was born gay thing. Because I encountered people in my life who were straight and later chose to be gay. For example, I know a female that dated dudes her whole life. Then maybe three years ago she got her heart broken and just started dating a girl and they are still together. I asked her was she always attracted to girls and she said no, her attraction to the same sex happened well into her 20's. My cousin who is gay also had a similar situation and he chose to purse a relationship with another man. Also seen people chose to be bisexual. So that why I kinda belief it's a lifestyle choice.

It doesn't follow that not being "born gay" means that being gay is then a choice. That a massive (and unsupported) conflation on your part.

Again, not trying to be offensive...

To be perfectly honest, the only offensive aspect of your posts is how little thought goes into them.

 

[Doctor Evo]

It's just saying I don't agree with same sex relationships.

Right - and I'm asking you to explain what "agree" means, in this context. What, exactly, is there to "agree with?"

I suspect that you haven't actually given this particular statement a lot of thought. If you had, you'd realize how absurd it is.

No, instead, you heard it somewhere and thought it sounded catchy.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Not trying to be offensive here but I don't totally buy into the whole I was born gay thing. Because I encountered people in my life who were straight and later chose to be gay. For example, I know a female that dated dudes her whole life. Then maybe three years ago she got her heart broken and just started dating a girl and they are still together. I asked her was she always attracted to girls and she said no, her attraction to the same sex happened well into her 20's. My cousin who is gay also had a similar situation and he chose to purse a relationship with another man. Also seen people chose to be bisexual. So that why I kinda belief it's a lifestyle choice. Again, not trying to be offensive but that's just some observations that I experienced in my personal life. I know that doesn't apply to everyone btw.

So you as a straight male christian are telling other people how they think and feel about something you know little about???

Do you actively choose everyday to be straight and not give into homosexual attraction? ?

Attraction is not black and white. Its fluid. You should look up the kinsey scale I find it pretty accurate. Theres a few straight people I know whove been attracted to one member of the same sex. That doesnt suddenly make them bi or gay. I also know gay men who have willingly slept with a woman. That doesnt suddenly make them bi or straight. Everyone is different.

I myself have only been attracted to men. But im not going to pretend to know what others are thinking let alone tell them theyre wrong for feeling the way they do

 

[wiegeabo]

Not trying to be offensive here but I don't totally buy into the whole I was born gay thing. Because I encountered people in my life who were straight and later chose to be gay. For example, I know a female that dated dudes her whole life. Then maybe three years ago she got her heart broken and just started dating a girl and they are still together. I asked her was she always attracted to girls and she said no, her attraction to the same sex happened well into her 20's. My cousin who is gay also had a similar situation and he chose to purse a relationship with another man. Also seen people chose to be bisexual. So that why I kinda belief it's a lifestyle choice. Again, not trying to be offensive but that's just some observations that I experienced in my personal life. I know that doesn't apply to everyone btw.

Is it they chose to be gay later in life? Or is it they chose to be straight early in life because that was what was expected of them. That's what they were 'supposed' to be. When in reality they were born gay and, what they chose, was to stop hiding it from themselves.

Or, one or both could be bi, and what they actually chose is which gender to date next, not their sexuality.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

It doesn't follow that not being "born gay" means that being gay is then a choice. That a massive (and unsupported) conflation on your part.

To be perfectly honest, the only offensive aspect of your posts is how little thought goes into them.

You were making it seem that ALL gay people are born gay and that it isn't a lifestyle. I just pointed out some examples that I have experienced that shows that that isn't always the case. There are some people who CHOSE to live their life that way.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

You were making it seem that ALL gay people are born gay and that it isn't a lifestyle. I just pointed out some examples that I have experienced that shows that that isn't always the case. There are some people who CHOSE to live their life that way.

Stop using the word lifestyle. No matter the situation the usage of the word is incorrect

 

[spideyboy_1111]

You're viewing it way to black and white. Its more like People are born with a certain percentage of same sex attraction. Your friend just didnt know it til (everyones different)l she met the right girl

 

[SlamAdams]

I still don't know why it matters if its a choice or they are born that way. Either way, you shouldn't look down on them, judge them differently, or try to legislate laws that limit their participation in normal lives.

 

[Doctor Evo]

You were making it seem that ALL gay people are born gay and that it isn't a lifestyle.

When did I ever say (or imply) that? You're quite clearly confusing me with another poster.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I still don't know why it matters if its a choice or they are born that way. Either way, you shouldn't look down on them, judge them differently, or try to legislate laws that limit their participation in normal lives.

When gay men and women tell you they didnt make a choice though their being quite honest though.

The point is respect in trying to listen and understand.

its not exactly fun being told you made a concious choice to be a minority

 

[Doctor Evo]

You were making it seem that ALL gay people are born gay and that it isn't a lifestyle. I just pointed out some examples that I have experienced that shows that that isn't always the case. There are some people who CHOSE to live their life that way.

The fact that you still don't see the rather glaring flaw in your reasoning - even after it was explained to you - only goes to support my earlier statement(s) about your aptitude for critical thought on this matter.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

To be clear once and for all. To me I consider being gay a lifestyle choice. It make not be correct in all cases but that's my viewpoint. Like I said, in my original post, I tolerate gay people but I don't agree with same sex relationships and wanted to clarify that not all people that don't support gay marriage or relationships are bigots or totally ignorant.

 

[SlamAdams]

When gay men and women tell you they didnt make a choice though their being quite honest though.

I'm sure they are.

The point is respect in trying to listen and understand.

I don't think you are understanding me. What I mean is people always bring up the "it's a choice" argument to justify there own bigotry and I don't see why that makes a difference. Choice or not, you don't get to look down on consensual relationships of any kind.

its not exactly fun being told you made a concious choice to be a minority

I'm sure its not.

 

[SlamAdams]

To be clear once and for all. To me I consider being gay a lifestyle choice. It make not be correct in all cases but that's my viewpoint. Like I said, in my original post, I tolerate gay people but I don't agree with same sex relationships and wanted to clarify that not all people that don't support gay marriage or relationships are bigots or totally ignorant.

Really? Then what are they?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

To be clear once and for all. To me I consider being gay a lifestyle choice. It make not be correct in all cases but that's my viewpoint. Like I said, in my original post, I tolerate gay people but I don't agree with same sex relationships and wanted to clarify that not all people that don't support gay marriage or relationships are bigots or totally ignorant.

But dont you see you're making a generalization based on feelings experience and emotions you dont have??? And discrediting those who do have them??

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Really? Then what are they?

Normal people with different viewpoints? Doesn't make them horrible people. And I am not referring to the people that spew hate around 24/7. If you feel that way, then people who disagree or dislike religious, are ignorant and hateful.

 

[SlamAdams]

Normal people with different viewpoints? Doesn't make them horrible people. And I am not referring to the people that spew hate around 24/7.

And their viewpoints are bigoted. Defintion of bigot: "a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc." How do they fairly dislike these people?

If you feel that way, then people who disagree or dislike religious, are ignorant and hateful.

I don't hate religion unfairly. I hate people who use their religion to justify their not so pious actions. I won't tolerate intolerance or ignore ignorance.

 

[Human Torch]

To be clear once and for all. To me I consider being gay a lifestyle choice. It make not be correct in all cases but that's my viewpoint. Like I said, in my original post, I tolerate gay people but I don't agree with same sex relationships and wanted to clarify that not all people that don't support gay marriage or relationships are bigots or totally ignorant.

I wouldn't waste much time trying to explain that here.Most have already made up their mind that being against gay marriage/homosexuality for biblical reasons is not a justifiable reason.

 

[Schlosser85]

Might I suggest we agree to disagree. Those who disagree with ShadowBoxer and Human Torch are not going to change their viewpoints, and they are not going to change the others'.

SB has articulated his opinion civilly (IMO), and he has the right to hold it.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

And their viewpoints are bigoted. Defintion of bigot: "a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc." How do they fairly dislike these people?



I don't hate religion unfairly. I hate people who use their religion to justify their not so pious actions. I won't tolerate intolerance or ignore ignorance.

It's just ironic to me that in today's society everyone is suppose to agree with same sex marriages and relationships or else. If you're a religious person or not and don't agree with it your automatically labeled as a horrible person. However, it's totally okay to bash religious people and their viewpoints.

For example, say a famous athlete, movie star etc says they are religious and don't agree with gay marriage in a respectful way, they would be BLASTED, by the media and everyday people. Their career would take a hit or even be over because of something like that. However, its perfectly acceptable to have people who live their life anyway they want to mock religious view points and nothing is said about it. I am not a hateful person like I have mentioned in my previous posts, but I stand by my beliefs. If that makes me a horrible person to some then so be it.