🇺🇸 Discussion: General Election 2024, 🥥 VS 🍊

[souvlaki]

Guess it's time for me to bury my head in comic books and other hobbies for the next four years and try my best to ignore the news. I cannot do another four years like I did during his first term where I was basically looking at the news 24/7 and driving myself crazy.

 

[Donner]

Trump 100% cares about winning. Make no mistake about this. If there is one trait Trump has in spades, it's determination/ego. His ego rules him above all. He will not go quietly anywhere into the night of his own accord.

Oh well agree to disagree. I don’t think he’ll hang on for 4 years or 8 or whatever the plan is to make terms indefinite, but that’s my personal opinion.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I was listening to some thoughts and it was pointed out that nearly every major government has paid for inflation post-COVID. That when people talk about liking the economy under Trump, they were talking about what it was like pre-COVID.

You have consider how poorly the Dems market their wins and more importantly how little they did to stem inflation.

 

[The Overlord]

Maybe campaigning with Liz Cheney was a bad idea. Maybe not promising any changes while Trump is promising massive changes was a bad idea. Maybe the Democrats should stop pretending it's 1993 and actually propose a populist economic agenda.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Opinion | Donald Trump’s win is a huge defeat of the progressive left

Voter discontent with the Democratic Party's left-flank is a big reason Trump is headed back to the White House.

www.msnbc.com

This is very dumb.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Democrats have been losing the internet since the latter Obama years at least. That has to change. And it has to change into Spanish as well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Maybe campaigning with Liz Cheney was a bad idea. Maybe not promising any changes while Trump is promising massive changes was a bad idea. Maybe the Democrats should stop pretending it's 1993 and actually propose a populist economic agenda.

Yep. But it also has to be considered whatever Harris said wasn't going to get out there. The Dems conceded new media to the right the way they conceded cable news to them for years with Fox. Dems are awash with money. But use it in old fashion ways.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Democrats have been losing the internet since the latter Obama years at least. That has to change. And it has to change into Spanish as well.

The issue isn't immigrants who speak Spanish. It's first and second generation. Born here, who speak English.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

When it comes to the economy. The right wing of the party really hurt it. Talk about mesurauables all you want. Are you trying to buy a house? Have you seen grocery bills? Going to an event? Life sucks for so many people and it's ignored.

A good example with Harris even. Talking to the middle class. The shrinking middle class. Ignoring the working class.

But even then, it's telling how little care was shown for women, POCs, and all other marginalized people. I can't remember who said it, but it was that no matter who won yesterday, black people would be waking up in the same country. And it's true.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

The issue isn't immigrants who speak Spanish. It's first and second generation. Born here, who speak English.

Being from Miami, Darth is spot on with this. So many of the idiots who can't read above a 5th grade level that I graduated with from my High School are all Trumpers. Ignorance and stupidity mixed with chauvinist/misogynist views are a perform storm of **** for first and second gen hispanic voters to go right.

I am lucky that I went to College, took philosophy, history, and other liberal art electives that helped me break away from my own conservative leanings when I was young, but most people in Miami specifically stay home, around the same dumb echo chamber, and then vote cause progressives are the boogeyman.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Hakeem Jeffries lost, he needs to step aside as House Dem leader. The NY Dems are kinda shambles these days and Democrats need to get out of NY and CA and into other parts of America. Both the Dem House and Senate leaders are from NY. Schumer should consider his options too.

 

[squeekness]

So, all i have read and seen since Kamala entered the race was massive democratic enthusiasm unseen since Obama, so, where did it go? She had massive crowds, polls showed her leading from the moment she entered, what happened, all i heard was a wave of angry women would keep Trump out, nothing like that happened at all.

Apparently American Democrats lie as well as Republicans.

 

[Matt.S99]

Just a random thought;
Going forward, I think Dems really need to cool it with the celebrity enforcements. I think we’re at a point now where people don’t view celebrities in the same light we used to and a lot of people see these posts, and it solidifies their decision to go the opposite direction.

Of course they’re still people and of course are entitled to voice their support, but I think it does a lot less “good” than they think.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[Frodo]

I think the national Democrats are gonna walk away from the Gaza issue, and the student protests, and they're gonna hug Netanyahu even more now.

So , any pull that the Arab American community could have had with a President Harris, is gonna be even less from both sides of the political isle .

My guess is , like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, the next person to galvanize both the party ,and the public ,will be a 40 something guy ,
whose not on the beltway or national media radar right now.

I think it's gonna be a late GenXer or Millennial , and I think Harris may be the last Baby Boomer nominee for the Democratic Party

 

[DKDetective]

This needs to be side by side with the same breakdown from 2020. This just isn't a white people versus minorities problem. There was a massive shift in Latino men and women shifting to Trump between 2020 and 2024.

In 2016 and 2020, the Latino vote went for both Clinton and Biden by margins more similar to Black voters. Now it was much smaller majorities.

 

[DKDetective]

Hakeem Jeffries lost, he needs to step aside as House Dem leader. The NY Dems are kinda shambles these days and Democrats need to get out of NY and CA and into other parts of America. Both the Dem House and Senate leaders are from NY. Schumer should consider his options too.

He was Pelosi's hand chosen successor. The old Dem Establishment with its neoliberal and centrist policies needs to die. Dems are losing elections because people see them as the defenders of an unfair status quo.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

I guess all I can say is for people not to become complacent. Don’t stop fighting. Don’t stop helping your community, the disenfranchised, the weak and the powerless. There’s a number of trans people who are in very real fear of their lives who are asking for mutual aid on Twitter right now. Talk to the women in your lives whose bodily autonomy might be stolen from them. Comfort a Palestinian whose home is about to be wiped off the map. We have to stick to together, and we can’t start blaming each other.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

The Democratic Party website has no platform explicitly for men on their website but they do for others. That should’ve been changed years ago. Not doing the bare minimum.

Who we serve - Democrats

democrats.org

Just by optics alone: it looks bad to people who are landing with Democrats

 

[Detective Conan]

I’m not giving up guys! The bad guys may have won, but people are still good, I know things look rough now but I’m still determined than ever to fight, and fight like hell. One man won’t bring us down, it’s not the end of the world, the Trump era will pass and there will be hope again. Just keep on going, keep on fighting, keep on having faith. The light is always within reach we just have to work harder than ever to reach it.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

I guess all I can say is for people not to become complacent. Don’t stop fighting. Don’t stop helping your community, the disenfranchised, the weak and the powerless. There’s a number of trans people who are in very real fear of their lives who are asking for mutual aid on Twitter right now. Talk to the women in your lives whose bodily autonomy might be stolen from them. Comfort a Palestinian whose home is about to be wiped off the map. We have to stick to together, and we can’t start blaming each other.

I coach Girls Flag Football at the school I teach at, one of the Coaches has two NB daughters and one of them is dating a trans girl. He messaged us last night he's leaving Florida this upcoming summer back home to Minnesota and might not coach the team with us this year because he wants to be there for his two daughters who already have a tough time being who they are.

This is the reality, I'm losing a great Coach and awesome human being to hate.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

We’ll see some shifting populations.

I wonder if Michael Cohen really is gonna flee the United States.

 

[Mani-Man]

I would happily take a European Centrist as a candidate right now.

A European Centrist could do insane things as American President.

A lot of those folks didn't turn out because of Biden and Harris being complicit on Gaza. Biden winning Michigan last time around was made possible by 200,000 Arab and Muslim Americans in Detroit. A lot of them stayed home or voted for Trump in protest.

I genuinely think Harris would have done better if she pivoted to the left. Even better would have been a candidate who could have distanced themself from the Biden admin while pushing progressive economy policy. You can see how Harris' support in the polls started to crumble in August as soon as she started to pivot to the centre and define herself as a continuation of Biden's administration. When people started to realize she was more of the same, she lost a lot of support.

I hate to say it, but if Dems want to win and making lasting change, social issues need to take a back burner on their platform for a long time to come. FDR had it right in the 30s when he focused on universal economy policy and combatting economic inequality instead of civil rights. He got a lot of criticism from activists at the time, but he believed that it would divide his party and coalition. However, the lasting changes he made to the economy and social safety net set up the long-term prosperity and security that allowed big civil rights changes in the 1950s and 60s.

The exit polls really make me think of Germany in 1933. People didn't like Hitler, he was a laughing stock Bohemian corporal to most, but people thought his grand promises would fix the economy and change the status quo.

Thats where it already loses me, because Trump literally told Netanjahu to go wild and all that.
On that people decided to punish the left for nothing because Genocide will happen under Trump.
That i guess was a nail in the coffin either way.

I get why she didnt distance herself stronger from Biden, afterall she is vice president.
But a stronger move to the left would have helped i think greatly.
I think more a problem was that she did not really tackle any of the peoples worries.

Not for nothing people kept talking about not knowing what she stands for.
She barely adressed the economy...a plus point for her and the democrats that was barely used.
Instead it was used by the republicans to go "If the economy is so good, why are things still so expensive".
And Harris barely adressed things like that.
I still dont get why Harris didnt made it a big argument that the economy was so good and the Job numbers so well.
By the end of the campaign it was just more of what Clinton did: "I am not trump".

Trump while lying about it, he at least adressed peoples concerns.
He blamed immigrants and all that on the high prices...but he adressed it at least.

Democrats often feel like they talk over people instead of with people.
While Republicans adress them...even if its just to lie and blame either immigrants or democrats.
It helps to adress peoples worries.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

A whole bunch of anti-abortion freaks just got elected in PA.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

A European Centrist could do insane things as American President.

In a good or bad way? Cause all the friends I've made from Europe tell me Bernie would've been "center" or "center right" and that blew my mind.